In a civil unrest situation what firearm would be most useful...

OP didn't specify anything about what kind of situation we might be in.

Read the Bosnian war pasta for literally the answer to every civil unrest question ever

Why would I read a LARP

Do you think a lot of attacks will have prior warning? Plus I think wearing a pack of any kind draws attention from the wrong crowd.

what is good situational awareness for 500 Alex? In a civil unrest situation, the idea is to be the one ready to ambush and not the one who gets ambushed. So avoiding open spaces and keeping close to cover

Just because society has broken down doesn’t mean that people will stop going out in public. Situational awareness is always important tho.

>PCC
>long range
>bipod
you wut. Even from a rifle length barrel all pistol calibers drop too much to be combat effective past ranges you SHOULD be able to reliably hit offhand. We're talking 2 feet of drop at 200yds.

>zero chance of penetrating soft armor, even with a "powerful" handgun round such as 10mm or 9x25
>greatly reduced hit chance past 100m due to extreme drop and low mechanical accuracy (almost all PCCs are 4 MOA or worse)
>cheap bulk ammo woefully ineffective compared to premium defense ammo
>both rifle and ammo weigh about the same as a 5.56 or 5.45
A best of best PCC shooting rare and expensive meme ammo like Xtreme Penetrator is absolutely inferior in basically every category compared to a basic bitch AR or AK shooting RAS or M193 plinking ammo.

Agreed. Pccs are just cool

They're great range toys and have some utility as a ranch gun or small game gun, yeah. But against people they're pretty inferior.

I can see an argument for a suppressed one with subs in a tight urban environment but IMO the people that are most likely to need shooting during civil unrest will be wearing uniforms and armor.

>going out in public
>ever
It’s like you want to die

As long as it was a wet fart and I got shit sprinkles on my cock. Otherwise no, that's gay

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Honestly I'd probably turn to my Hi-Point 9mm carbine.
>9mm is common and plentiful
>Regular 115gr for targets far away
>Some 147gt hollow points for fleshy targets
>10 round mag, dual mag holder built onto stock
>Gun is short an easy to handle
>Almost no recoil, able to be shot by kids if need be
>Will shoot all the shit, dirty ammo you put in it without jamming

Bad taste, it’s all about the gas

>poorfags trying to justify their poorfag purchases

I also own an AR-15 and M92FS. I'm saying for long term. Where I live is suburbs and urban. Way more likely to find a bunch of 9mm than I am 5.56

Traveling around in SHTF like its fallout new vegas will get you killed.

Wrong

Things that happened before you were born aren't LARPs dumb dumb.

For civil unrests, nothing beats an AK-74U.

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I’m almost positive that guy was outed as larper

no, that's the worst choice.
it may be the best choice for warfighting, but that's because they buy you bullets.
you will never scavenge even 1 mag full of 545

>that guy was outed as larper
it's not all bad advice, but doesn't reflect what actually happened in the war

>lmao I will just scavange everything
Surefire way to die and get your shit taken by a larger group

Not if you fast travel

I had one. extended mags
jammed all the time even when clean and brass eating.

Sold it.

Might as well read greentext. The only people holding onto Selco's delusions are the ones that like to fantasize trading chef boyrdee for starving girls.

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It's a fucking pistol caliber blowback rifle. It's not rocket science. Pull trigger, make holes.

Are you the same person? My phone thinks I'm you.

Since we're apparently talking about defensive firearms:

First, a disclaimer, all of this assumes a relatively realistic protracted WROL type situation and not truly apocalyptic .0002% of the population is left and they all decided it was time to act like they're playing some sort of team deathmatch video game type SHTF that so many people here like to talk about.
>typical CCW
Whether it's the remains of local LEAs, the gang/militia that effectively "rules" the area you're currently traveling through, or just the local shop keep you're talking to, people aren't going to be a huge fan of dudes they at best sort of know showing up with rifles and full LARP gear. That's the sort of thing people looking for trouble do, and it's liable to get you asked to leave at best. You're likely to have to put yourself in these situations with some frequency whether due to traveling or trading and going unarmed in what's liable to be equivalent to a favela is just not an option. Danger tends to congregate where people do, and you WILL need to trade or talk to people at some point. For this reason your typical concealable mid sized handgun is still going to be the single biggest must have defensive tool, and the single most likely one to be used.
>semi auto SBR/S type firearm
You aren't going to likely be counter-sniping people in SHTF, but getting from point A to point B is going to become a dangerous and somewhat tedious process. Travel by foot or bike is largely going to be a meme due to the moderate distances and great dangers between outposts/communities, expect a lot of roadside banditry and "unofficial toll booths" to rise up. Shoulder fired weapons that can still readily be brought to bare within the confines of a vehicle are going to be the second must have category of SHTF defensive weaponry. Bonus points if they can be readily hidden in a pack instead of left with your vehicle when you reach your destination.

M9 and 92FS are different beasts, nogunz LARPer.

m92 pap > paying gay tax stamps for an sbr

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M92 is god-tier . Not gonna argue with that.

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>M92 SBR is god tier

M92 as a pistol is zucc tier.

>t. M92 SBR owner who never shot it as a pistol.

everyone assumes you'll attach a brace to that pistol, you brainlet.

If you're defending from within your house you should have a long gun but if you're out in public you should have something concealable so you dont attract attention

The most effective gun that can be readily accessed if you need it? Why would you ever have to choose between one or the other???

what exactly defines deep concealment?
you can easily hide a carbine in a backpack or vehicle

Most contemporary reports affirm that a reliable hi-cap pistol in 9mm or above is most useful. Survivors say a lot of firepower that can be concealed is more useful than anything.

Of course, all SHTF scenarios are different. What is ideal for most might be shit for a certain type of WROL scenario.

>what exactly defines deep concealment?
Deep concealment means the weapon is completely covered and there is zero printing, no matter the clothes worn.

>no matter the clothes
afaik theres no firearm you stick up your ass

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50 bmg

Yeah I'd do that if shes hot enough

Except the one made specifically for that.

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You'll never EVER be in a situation where you get in enough gun fights to shoot up all your ammo pf 5.45. Ever.

Unlike a video game, where you get shot and use a medkit, or camp until you regen health, or respawn... You'll get hit with something before the 200 to 350 rounds you're carrying on your body are finished.

Shtf comes around... Carry whatever you want. If you're ammo runs dry to the point you need to "loot" dead people's bodies for ammo, you can also loot a firearm.

I think so.

It really depends on what kind of civil unrest you're dealing with, but in the most likely ones it is ultimately far safer to maintain a low profile than to draw fire by running around with a long gun.

Heck, in a lot of cases it's not a true world-ending scenario where people are fighting open gun-battles all the time, but rather a steady decline in the overall quality of life and stability. People still have jobs to go to and errands to run, but are at an increasingly high risk of being mugged or randomly killed in the process.
For this application a pistol is absolutely ideal. Maybe a smaller CCW like a pocket .380, or a full-size pistol like a Glock 17/19 for added capacity, maybe even a revolver (useful if jumped and leaves no evidence if fired without reloading). The key advantages are both the comfort of carrying something relatively light and unobtrusive every day (much easier to carry a Glock than a Garand) and basically looking like everyone else.

Now one way to gimp it, as a few others have pointed out is with SBRs or arm-braced AK/AR pistols. Maybe even a short bullpup. Something like a Yugo M92 with a side-folder is far more effective in combat than any pistol (more range, power, capacity, accuracy) but can also be shoved under a jacket. It isn't totally inconspicuous, but is also not necessarily obvious from across the street. It could be a useful option if violence is escalating, but not to the point where everyone is shooting everyone and you may as well be running around with a FAL.

Long guns are still useful for defensing the homestead, but you better have a few people at home at any given time lest they be a tempting target for thieves.

who are these mexicans?

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Based. Also be nice to have an RPG

who is dirtier the actress or the rifle

youtu.be/L2CJWRRTP28

I haven't bought any weapons but after all this fuckery that's happening in this world, I've decided to buy a SKS and a glock S&W, just have to do this RPAL course because i'm in Canada, don't know too much about guns are these good weapons for self defense?
(buying the SKS for hunting and Glock for defense)

They are good enough
It really depends on the shooter, practice practice practice

holy shit that’s awesome I want one
t. an actual fag

>M92 as a pistol is cool as fuck
fixed that for you

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