Does Olympic style fencing actually help you in a real sword fight or knife fight?

I don't know what "olympic style" even is, nor I don know anything about fencing, but in kenjutsu it's easy to learn to be careful, keep your distance and once you go for it, you REALLY go for it and possibly lose.

I think that, against an untrained person, it would end badly for the untrained person.

They no longer fence, they just lunge at each other.

Most useful tool in a sword\knife fight is a firearm. Prove me wrong.

Tueller drill.

A holstered gun is useless when someone with a knife is closer than 20 feet.

>Kenjutsu

You mean basement samurai?

It was quite deadly when it was used in the real world. (little to no actual armor)
I don't know where you get your information from or how old you are but you have to be 18 to post on this board.

Trench warfare WW1 is calling you and is trying to tell you that you have to be at least 18 years old to post here.

lmao bring your sword and i'll bring my 12 gauge

is Jow Forums retarded now or just LARPing like the faggots they are?

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You dumb nigger.
Even if you get stabbed you can still draw and contact shot them. They would have to also be controlling your hand(s) while trying to do enough damage with the knife to incapacitate.
An already SWORD or other large weapon could be different.

And then you'd still have two retards with holes in them, wtf is your point?

Only a nigger like you would sit there gushing blood out of whatever new hole they made like
>Eeeeheee I shot him tho hurr Durr firearm superiority

Distance control and hand to hand skills would be much better than having a nigger popper tucked in your asscrack.

Go fucking look up knife drills and see for yourself that the only thing you can do with a gun is get the fuck out of range and try to shoot, whereas disabling the attackers own weapon is much faster and keeps you safer

I did olimpic sword fencing for two years, and latosa scrima (filipino martial art) for three years.
First, there are three olimpic styles, sword, saber and foil.
Sword fencing is very close, and the closest of the three styles, to historic fencing, or so i was told by a historical fencing teacher (i went to two classes, it was fun, but i hadnt any free time available).
But in historical fencing (with roperas or rapiers) you can do things that an olympic fencer is not use to: grab the other guys weapon, punch him, etc... Not that you should bet your chances of winning the fight just to punch or grabbing, but basically that in historical fencing you'll get some bad habits like dont using your free hand, dont displace to the sides, or caring just about being the first to hit.
In a real fight, you should care more about not being hit than to hit, because you can stab a guy with a knife or a rapier and not being a instant disable wound, the other guy can still stab you as he is close to you.
That mutual slashing happened in historical times between untrained fencers or novices, and i was told by a policeman here in spain that it happens in knife fights when the two guys can draw their knife and are going for the kill: that a lot of times both end in a ambulance with serious wounds, and often one or the two ends dead (continues...)

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Anyway a olympic sword fencing will be used to the distance, the timing, to beat the other guy blade, to binding them, etc... All of that unvaluable skills. Free sparring, even under rules, it will be always better than not sparring.
Those skills can be transfered to a knife figthing, too, although i would say ( i have never been in a real knife figthing) the the distance being smaller, personal skills like your dexterity or mental agility are more important (like boxing).
And that the chances of a mutual slay are higher, beacuse a lot of guys attack by just charging against the other guy, in the most used guard in street fights (both armed and unarmed) by untrainee or scared figthers: the javelin thrower, where you lead with an extended arm, to grab the other guy to both getting him away of you, and stopping him of running away; and the other arm loaded to punch/stab him.
Anyway i was told by my fencing teacher that his teacher used to give fencing classes for selfdefence to sailors here in spain, where he teached them to "fence" with a sneaker instead of a sword, and if unarmed, they punched the other guy's shoulder to "parry" the others guy attack. Or something like that.
And i agree that the violence gap is higher, and this is not a boxing match, where you can defend you by knocking out thw other guy. With weapons, it become a kill or be killed thing, and as we use to be scared of the later, a lot of us are scaring of the former, too

Most of those dudes were carrying bolt actions in a muddy environment, and the germans still said shotguns were so effective they wanted them banned.

>Like my opinion is that Boxing with gloves takes away from the realness of hand to hand boxing

I mean you're not wrong, but it actually makes the fight more aggressive. Gloves were introduced to prevent hand injury. Early boxing matches were fought without gloves and the dominant fighting style was very conservative, with most successful fighters simply fishing for clean hits.

>You fight for sport. I fight for survival. My moves are too dangerous to the ring. That's why you don't see aikido and wing chun in MMA!

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Lol. Fighting a good boxer without gloves will leave you a broken man.

Sword fighting yes. That style and the rapier style swords are the quickest way to win a sword fight.

>Olympic
no
>Basic level of saber fencing
yes, learn the footwork and basic parry and you will have enough knowledge to outclass the average tard 1v1.

It'll probably help you keep fit enough to run away!

Worked pretty well for zimzam

> you're gonna win big, if you engage with a rapier
WEE WOO WEE WOO RETARD ALERT!the fencing foil is a facsimile for a smallsword. A rapier is a fuckhuge big long heavy fucker.

>Olympic fencing is the same as a real swordfight
Found the hemahomo
Actually, they were introduced because nobles wanted to learn but didn't want to damage their face. Didn't matter once people learned you can twist your punches and rip the skin and deliver more power

>implying anyone into hema has a high opinion on olympic fencing

The pressure sensors on the tips have minimums. These minimums were defined by measuring the force required for a smallsword to penetrate skin. At least epee is like that, foil I dunno.

Truthfully you can learn a lot about athleticism and distancing from fencing, though it is an incomplete skill set, that is not the same as useless.

Autistic hema virgin detected

Probably not

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Kek, this is the opposite of what fencingfags think happens

We don't need this kind of negativity.

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Makes sense, larpers tend to hate other breeds of larper

why did he drop his sword?

>literally any thread about blades, melee, martial arts or archery on Jow Forums
>atleast 2-3 aub-90 iq puesdo intellectuals to post "muh gun"

Die faggit

>ITT: Seething HEMA LARPers who will NEVER be taken seriously.

>any sport i dont like is larping
Nigger

>virgin HEMA Larper
>chad Olympic Fencing athlete

At best sport fencing will help you a little bit in a duel and that's about it. I think that's what OP meant by a real fight. I can't imagine hema or epee/foil/saber doing much for you in an encounter typical of knives, like if someone tries to rob you with one after making sure you're unarmed. Or closes in unseen to stab you multiple times. Both usually with more than one assailant.

>knife
>> i would expect your training to make basically no difference
The circular defense motions even translate well to empty hands. Bruce Lee adopted some of his style from his brother's fencing on account of this.

>And then you'd still have two retards with holes in them
Besides, that draw is going to be all kinds of fucked - possibly even to abortion. Not a lot of dudes can effectively draw while being eviscerated.

Keep trying to justify your wasted time pretending to get into real sword fights

Bruce Lee was an actor.
He beat up some Worldstar dickheads as a teen and never participated in so much as a sparring match in his entire adult life after transferring from dance to martial arts.

LEFTY FOILIST WHO CARRIED THEIR HS TEAM TO WIN THE STAT CHAMPIONSHIP HERE WITH YOUR DAILY REMINDER THAT
FOIL>EPEE>>>>>SABER

Foil is definitely the best. I'm very tall so I was kind of railroaded into doing mostly Epee in my club, which I found super boring. Saber is just retarded. The fact that they have a rule about not crossing your feet while moving forward because both fencers would just dive at each other 100% of the time otherwise tells you everything you need to know about it.

Saber sounds metal as fuck

No, because sword and knife fighting techniques include slashing, cutting, active use of left hand for protection and moving in circles.
And sports fencing is just stabbing and moving forward-backward

I wonder how much of a mess you would do waving a huge G98 with a bayonet in a narrow trench while a pack of arditi with daggers easily stabs the shit out of you

timing and distance management are transferable, so that helps. That said, skill usually means shit in a knife fight and a double kill is the normal result.

Duelling for real (with real sabres/swords/cutlasses) a 'tap' would see those blades stabbing into the target 3-4 inches before being flicked out and leaving a huge gash besides. Consequently 90% of it is trying to work an opening in your opponent's defence while leaving none in yours.

It's from an age of some->zero worn protection of course - when guns had progressed to the point of armour being useless.

What? Bolt actions that you don't have time to reload and must go to the bayonet. Poor example to use with modern firearms. Try again.

Is it 1917? No?

>Does Olympic style fencing actually help you in a real sword fight or knife fight?
No. It's retarded and completly useless IRL.
Luckily, in Europe we have a renesaince of real fencing & hardcore medeval reanactment. Those are cool
>t.polak who practiced olympic fencing (sabre) as a kid and also has friends in knighthood reanactment group

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eh, the training necessary translates very well into other disciplines and actual fencing, but the style of Olympic fencing is waaay too specialized to be used in a real life scenario, look up some hema videos on the topic.

Yes. Obviously you won't use the same techniques, but you'll have trained up good reflexes, dexterity, footwork and ability to read and anticipate your opponent.

Could help with physical fitness, training reflexes and estimating reach.
Some things like typical lunge attacks could be applied to using a knife ...

But in general:
youtube.com/watch?v=bH8auVrYL3M

I heard bareknuckle fighters could box into their 40s with no brain damage, and one bought went for over a hundred rounds

I prefer epee more, I like that you have a larger area to hit. I think we can all agree saber is for retards.

Meanwhile you think dudes in padded up clown outfits chasing a ball around or tacticool larpers speed shooting targets 10 fet away is any more of a sport?

>CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
>THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL
>FEAR IS HOW I FALL
>CONSUMING WHAT IS REAL

Righty epeeist who held an A rating here.
Right of way was meant to be a teaching structure, not something to be gamed. High level foil is all about gaming ROW.
If you don't actually parry me or finish your attack in time, that's your fault, not mine.
Underhand Wrist shots> overhand back flicks
fite me.

>sword, saber and foil.
It's épée, sabre and... I give you foil.

>Does Olympic style fencing actually help you in a real sword fight or knife fight?
Marginally. Fencing has a bunch of gay rules and focuses exclusively on *touching* people with the weapon, not stabbing them.

Lol. I've trained JKD and kali for years, and while there are some things we do that you can't do in the ring (groin attacks, finger jabs, weapons obviously) it is largely MMA with a large emphasis on "dirty" shit to end the fight. There's no secret magic shit.

Real swords weigh much more and swing differently than the "swords" they use in fencing. Also in a real sword fight/knife fight you want to go for your opponent's hands. In fencing you get no points for attacking your opponent's hands.

>Also in a real sword fight/knife fight you want to go for your opponent's hands. In fencing you get no points for attacking your opponent's hands.
2/3 of the disciplines have valid target areas that include hands/wrists.
>durr real swords are heavy.
No they are not. 4 lbs for the heaviest medieval arming swords. Ceremonial longswords are for parades.

>Real swords weigh much more and swing differently than the "swords" they use in fencing.
Foil is already supposed to be a lighter training weapon, épée are supposed to be akin to smallsword which are usually around a pound so you're only right about sabre.

lol

Could make sense I guess. Fights are over quicker in bareknuckle boxing, aren't they? Getting hit in the head over and over again with a glove doesn't hurt as much but it definitely knocks your brain around.

It's a sport. To stay active, work your body and have fun. Maybe you should try it, you obese fuck.

I think that guy might be French/European and simply using literal translations. épée literally just means "sword" in French. And sabre just means saber in French, too.

>Fights are over quicker in bareknuckle boxing, aren't they?
Not really, they could easily last hours when time wasn't limited during early competitions. Mainly because it makes for a much more cautious way to fight since a bad hit you give can disable your hand.
It's relatively safer, but not quicker. It's also typically bloodier, even though it doesn't necessarily translate to more dangerous.

I'm french myself (hence why I'm pedantic about sabre/saber), yet épée is always described as épée (or epee if your keyboard is francophobe). I have never seen anyone say "sword" to describe the specific fencing weapon, french or not. Maybe he is a compatriote whose never heard any other person talking about fencing in a foreign language (yet it should be known that french is the official fencing language, hence why words stay the same).

tl;dr I'm tired and reverting back to being an insufferable french person in anglophone world.

Right, that's why UFC fights are over in one or two punches half the time.

UFC isn't bareknuckle boxing and they aren't even boxing so I don't know how that compute with the original statement.

Bareknuckle or light padded gloves make it easier to KO in one punch.

Yes it does, but no gloves makes it much more risky to go for head shots because you can just get "accidently" headbutted in the fist, which would most likely break it. It's way less true for light padded gloves. Bareknuckle boxing can take forever because you have to be much more cautious that's what I was getting at.
It's much more random than a boxing match.

Yes, as the french guy has said, i ameuropean (spaniard), so i made a direct translate. Here in spain the three styles are: espada (sword), sable (saber), and florete (foil)

Okay this can still happen sometimes. I challenged a guy to one one time to a sword duel, mostly over a girl and she left him for me. No happy ending I'm pretty sure she's a single mother now, it was a horrible idea for an event one or both of us would of likely ended up maimed and trying to get a welfare check, most likely him since I had a sword and she probably left him since he was trying to borrow money from her to buy a sword.

I suppose if you're looking into fencing options you either have a choice between sabers or foils. Both are excellent choices, just pick one. If you don't like it try the other. It's a sport, you get some mulligan.

That doesn't make it easier to KO. How often do you see that happen in that? I haven't watched in a couple years. From my experience the difference between boxing gloves and other gloves is that when you're wearing boxing gloves it's easier to defend. You can punch into boxing gloves and tire yourself out. Smaller ones, it takes a lot more skill to do that sort of thing. The difference comes in if you're an infighter or an outfighter. It's easier to hit a KO if you're an outfighter. If you're an in fighter you're trying to get in and hopefully got skilled enough to learn when to back off and stop eating punches and try to find your opportunity to charge in.

Nice strawman, user
>implying I don't do any sports
Keep LARPing fatass

>larpers vs larpers
Woah there, it's fat larpers hating athletes, get it right.

>challenged a guy to one one time to a sword duel, mostly over a girl
t. renaissancefag

In bareknuckle, you are taught to go for the chin and nose while avoiding the forehead. In boxing, it's roughly the same but there's no consequence if you deck your opponent in the forehead, so more people start wailing on their opponents since their hands are in less danger. Don't forget that many boxers who get into street fights break their knuckles, such as Mike Tyson

Well kinda, I use to think I was in the wrong era. I would of fit in with some fucking weirdos and axe murderers there though.
No in bare knuckle I was taught try to tire them out with swing and miss, and swing and miss isn't what it sounds like, it's usually eating punches. It's sort of a comparative thing about marching into every punch, and learning to not get punched every time you're trying to walk in to punch someone. This shit is why I don't want MMA. It's a blood sport because guys will just walk into any hit they can hoping one of them is good enough to knock them the fuck out. At least with boxing or something you know a guy isn't going to go out, some of these mma fights they just drag it out. It's not as bad as boxing matches when you look at the guy after, but that's directly after not like a week or two later. That's a squared circle sport that you can't really get a take away about what's really effective or not. It's really rare to see a real knock out. Knock out artistry is so rare that it's not even mentionable if you want to talk about learning fighting.

>watch olympics
>fenching is nothing but two twinks body-slamming eachother and fist-pumping after like they both won
>computer has to judge the winner based on whoever tagged the other first with the electric antenna

How is this related to swordfighting in any way

Honestly MMA is probably the worse thing to happen to fighting. I can watch a boxing or kick boxing match no problem. I liked the welter and light weights till it started getting promoted. Now the whole thing is turning into a squared circle. If I watch a boxer or kick boxer demolishing someone I don't get frustrated over it. When I see it happening in an MMA I just have to go lift weights or something to stop screaming at my viewing screen in a futile manner that isn't going to effect anything.

Well it would build good hand eye coordination and make you a little faster, but beyond that no I doubt it.

I like watching Muay Thai, it's really impressive what the pros can do

Get into HEMA and I guess actual rapier technique if you want to learn the real thing. Olympic fencing is just faggy electric tag.

Saber fencing is pretty cool

>implying you do
Lose weight fatty

>implying i don't
Get off your ass, hamplanet

No, but it sure as shit helps you discover which muscles in your waist and hips you didn't even know existed before. Because they will hurt for the next week.