Why doesn't India back off and stop starting wars? There is a time and place for war, and these countries aren't ready till 2050 at best. >Pakistan is worse off than India Yeah worse off but not by much. Try competing with the world instead of pakistan for once.
Ryder Clark
There's not too much to analyse on it- It's a Chinese export tank built from knockdown kits in Pakistan, kind of like the ayybraps in Egypt. Probably somewhere around the T-72B in effectiveness.
Jayden Phillips
>Richer than you Just because India has a GDP PPP per capita or 6k and Pakistan has 5k, doesn't make India """rich"""
Cameron Collins
Modi is up for reelection. he tried to do a quick strike for posterity and failed miserably. textbook start to a war.
Chase Cruz
Modi will win anyways, there isn't any strong competition.
Julian Wood
Challenger 2 uses a rifle gun and it has no issues dealing with modern tanks. In fact the only confirmed kill suffered by a Challenger 2 is by another Challenger 2. There is no major issue with HESH. Challenger 2, however, does have one of the best armour systems in the world so it at least is a trade off. Indians aren't going to be fighting anything serious.
Josiah Martin
>worse off but not by much India has more money, more men and a more modern military. Dozens of military theorists have done theoretical wars and India always wins, currently. That's ignoring nukes, where Pakistan will get a bigger K/D.
Ethan Jackson
What if all of the tweets are real? What if shit really is going down in Kashmir.
>Challenger 2 uses a rifle gun and it has no issues dealing with modern tanks It does, with the most modern Russian/Chinese MBTs, which is why the MoD is now considering upgunning to a smoothbore, and has in the past. >There is no major issue with HESH It's not really valuable against even stuff like apcs/armored scout cars these days. Anything that has a multilayer armor array of any kind will defeat HESH quite handily- this occurred in GW2 with a FF incident involving a Chally 2 and a warrior. >Indians aren't going to be fighting anything serious Assumming the Indians actually deployed the Arjun (They won't) it would have serious trouble destroying Pak's T-80Us and Al-Khalids.
>They won't This, there's a reason they only produced a limited amount of Arjuns before going back to T-90S
Aiden Gomez
Al-Khalid is a MBT developed by Pakistan and China, based on the Chinese T-90. >Armament It's armed with a 125mm bored and a 48 calibre long smoothbore. Then provides high internal chamber pressure for APFSDS, HEAT FS and guided missiles as well as being capable of firing conventional ammunition ls equipped with 7.62 coax as well as a 12.7mm air-defense machine gun that can be fired remotely within the tank as well as smoke grenade launchers. Gunner is provided with dual-magnification sight and commander provided with panoramic sight. Automatic targeting system allows for it to work when the tank and target are both moving. Can fire 4 rounds per minute Its effective range is 200-7000 meters, and sensors ranging from 200-9990 meters. >Mobility Liquid-cooled dD6D-2 diesel engine delivering 1,200 horsepower. Lightweight tank weighing 46 tonnes (M1 Abrams and Leopard 2 60 tonnes) Can go 0-20 in 10 seconds and max speed of 70km/h >Protection Modular composite armor and explosive reactive armor. Has nuclear-biological-chemical defense systems. Internal fire/explosion-suppression system. Infrared signature reduced via infrared reflective paint An advanced laser detection system which provides early warning audio and visual alarms. The layout is conventional, drivers compartment at the front, torrent in the center and power in the back.
Pakistan has 415 in service as of 2017 and has a crew of 3. Costs 6 million $ per unit.
>TAIPEI (Taiwan News) - A missile shown in a picture by India as having been fired by Pakistan using its F-16 fighter jets in a surprise attack this week actually belonged to Taiwan, according to Pakistani media reports, but the island nation’s Air Force said the identification numbers did not match.
Pakistan shot down an Indian MiG-21 jet and captured its pilot and India took down a Pakistani military aircraft after India attacked militants in its traditional Muslim-dominated rival.
On Thursday, the Indian military showed a photo of the remains of a United States-made missile which it said could only have been fired from an F-16 fighter jet. The issue is sensitive because the U.S.-delivered jets can reportedly only be used against terrorists, not against other countries.
However, on Thursday, the Pakistani publication The Express Tribune reported the wreckage could have been part of a missile sold by the U.S. to Taiwan. The reporters tracked the identification numbers shown in the picture, AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, to a U.S. Department of Defense list naming the missile as part of a US$2.38-million arms deal with Taiwan.
“How the wreckage of a missile sold to Taiwan ended up in the hands of an Indian military air vice marshal is something only New Delhi can explain,” The Express Tribune said.
The Air Force in Taipei said Friday afternoon that after checking the information, it had concluded that the identification numbers shown did not match any of its missiles, and were not compatible with any weapons systems in its possession, the Central News Agency reported.
In addition, the kind of weapons such as missiles supplied by the U.S. were for Taiwan’s own use and could not be sold on to other countries, the Air Force said.
Taiwanese media described the allegations Friday as a case of “Taiwan getting hit by a bullet while lying down.”
OK, but what is the yield of their weapons? Are their respective arsenals mostly 5 kilotons and less tactical nukes, or do they have some city killers added in?
Biggest loss for Pakistan is the fact that India invaded your sovereignty and not a single world power called India's action illegitimate, not even China.
Hunter Nelson
As much as I want it to, you can't just claim that of this tweet.
Jonathan Evans
from the late 90s yeah. nothing to say they havent improved on the yield.
Aiden Miller
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Andrew Jackson
OK, so if their biggest weapons are in that range, we could see strategic bombing if it came to that.
Pakistani media outlets only claimed this because they had no idea how the ID numbers worked. The "contract number" (FA8675-05-C-0070) refers to all sales of a particular production run of a weapon. Since this is a popular missile, that includes Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Taiwan, Thailand, Australia, Spain, etc etc etc.
The specific serial number (SERNO CC1249[7]) is what identifies the missile itself, and there isn't any public list of those so we can't check them. Taiwan was saying that they checked their own list and CC12497 isn't one of theirs. It still could be anyone else's or an old casing not related to the current conflict, so basically it's not proof of either side's claims regarding F-16 usage or loss.
Alexander Rogers
>richer than you, muhammed
Joshua Walker
>ideocracy is real and two low iq countries are going to destroy humanity
Aiden Powell
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Jacob Hill
Why do they keep escalating shit when I'm trying to sleep? Every single night the biggest news happens when I'm about to sleep. If this pattern continues than in 2-3 hours everything will go to hell. This is a problem only I have, but since I am the person in question being troubled by it I will bitch. Is the best solution just embracing it and switching to Kashmir time?
Angel Thompson
These are very old figures and now irrelevant. Both countries are now not limited by yield and probably operate thermonuclear devices.
Julian Clark
They aren't even doing shit but blind firing artillery at each other
If someone dies it won't even lead to escalation because human life is expendable over there
Pakistan has denied using them for the offensive strike, but not for shooting down any Indian jets. The AMRAAM you see is a spent casing, meaning it was fired probably at an Indian aircraft, no proof at all of any downed F-16.
The whole Taiwan missile origin is just some media reporting, no Pakistani official has made these claims.
Pakistan cannot ever say that F-16s were used offensively otherwise we'd be violating terms of use. Most likely the F-16s were used (just not offensively as the Pakistani officials say), and that second IAF jet that was supposedly downed, probably was killed by an F-16 AIM-120C-5 and fell on the Indian side, hence no second Indian aircraft wreckage to verify. PAF sources are saying they saw two Indian blips on radar disappear.
Adrian Flores
the only people who cant recognize this are coping indians and seething vatniggers
Thomas Campbell
If we had a better president he'd probably be pissed you used an f16 for that, you're lucky our current one is a complete retard
Indian and Pakistani armies are apparently exchanging small arms fire, artillery fire, ATGMs and snipers are active. Civillian casualties are being reported, but millitary ones aren't and are probably higher.
But you're right, this is unlikely to lead to further escelation in itself.
Ryan Jones
We've earned your F-16 and your AMRAAM another feather in their cap, it may have killed either a Mig-21 Bison to a Su-30MKI.
You should be pleased, and we've got another 76 F-16s and 600 AIM120C-5 for Indians if they're thinking of another strike after the abject failure of the Indian airforce. That's to say nothing of Pakistan's JF-17s who themselves scored the accepted kill on the Bison.
Thomas Lee
Plz buy some f35s, we need money for Medicare
Ignore the fact that they can't fly at night and can't supply enough oxygen to the pilot
Josiah Reed
Man, those top end AMRAAMs must be awesome to have.
What BVR ARH AAMs is India gonna try to chuck back against them? Obviously their Sukhois have better radar, but without better weapons that is much less valuable.
Zachary Miller
You using F-16S nukes Lockheed's chance of getting the $20bn contract. Americans should be furious at you, especially Trump since he has been personally lobbying for F-16 sale. Assuming there's even a fraction of truth here, there are going to be repercussions.
Benjamin Flores
If war is declared between the two, is there any risks of China using it as an opportunity to support Pakistan and realize their own territorial ambitions over India, and drag the United States into this?
probably not. china has investments in India and Pakistan, and both countries have the range to strike china if they feel like they're getting their shit pushed in too much.
its in china's best interest to just take the L and sit this out.
Parker Hernandez
If China gets involved, other nations definitely will.
Kayden Johnson
>still believing this
Jonathan Lopez
lol china's probably just gonna supply pakistan with shit. They know they shouldn't step in.
So what happens next after shelling? Will India try a full on invasion?
Austin Campbell
thats really risky.
if India gets its shit pushed in by Pakistan, then they're going nuclear. no doubt about it. and they might just strike china if they feel like china is helping Pakistan too much. keep in mind, India doesn't like china either.
Xavier Jenkins
(You) yeah i know
Henry Garcia
If nukes go off china's main supply of water is going to be irradiated they are absolutely not going to sit this one out
James Brown
nukes go off either way if this gets bad, and chinas involvement would speed up the process and put pressure on india to go nuclear.
Easton Parker
We'd love to but we're too broke, Chinese option for 5th gen is on the cards though. Similar deal to the JF-17, just another aircraft.
India might be interested in some F-35s, but you might want to think twice about selling them to people who are proving themselves to be a bunch of rank incompetents.
We're pleased to have the AMRAAMs, and they work just fine, thank you.
The Indians are using R-77s on their MKIs, they're also developing a local AAM called Astra. And yeah while the MKI's radar is powerful, our F-16s have AN/APG-68(v)9s, our JF-17s have Chinese radars that are surprisingly good. And at the end of the day the PAF managed to employ better planning and execution. Doesn't matter how good Indians think there Su-30MKI is.
Ian Cox
AMRAAMs are fucking garbage, you americunt slave.
Sebastian Peterson
That's why they'd probably actually consider a pre emptive strike on nuclear targets if diplomatic options fail
Saudi Arabia is scrambling to throw as many diplomats as they can because prevailing wind would carry fallout right up towards mecca
Jayden Torres
What $20 bn contract? MMRCA? Are you Indian?
MMRCA is a mess right now, India has already ordered Rafales, and I seriously doubt F-16IN was ever going to happen. So just what $20 bn contract are you saying we've ruined by displaying how to use an F-16 well? Come off it.
Landon Myers
So far they've been pretty effective I dunno what you're so salty about vatnik
Have a squat and some vodka
Connor Harris
a pre emptive strike is a terrible idea. inidans would just launch a retaliation and fuck your major cities instantly
Nathaniel Ward
Not if they just killed an Indian aircraft. We're pleased to have 599 more in case anyone from the IAF wants to test to see what their probability of survival is against AIM-120C-5s.
Elijah Bennett
Just so you know, Pakistan gave part of Kashmir to China in the 1960's. So if India wants full control of Kashmir, it HAS to fight with China kek
Oliver Flores
>took two, TWO AMRAAMs to kill one shitty mig
great missile you got there, muhammed.
Isaiah Nguyen
Unlike India China has both extremely long range missiles and enough of them to annihilate Indias second strike capability
And the ability to find stealth subs
Does India even have nuke subs?
Samuel Ortiz
>Does India even have nuke subs? yes. a russian build one, at that.
and india has missiles with enough range to hit all of chinas major cities. its just not worth it.
Jayden Wood
If Kashmir has already been divided up. Why don't they just sit at a table and say "alright we split it into 3 and everyone takes their part" and make those the official borders?
John Scott
>"china stronk we nuke yuo india"
Kevin Morgan
>wins every time against slavshits >latest iteration renders slavshit jamming useless
