How would you assault a major urban center with a typical army group at your disposal? Think New York or Tokyo

Starve them out like in Leningrad

But they did. US used same tactics in Iraq, but with proper air and artillery support. Grozny failure happened not because tactics was wrong, but because military and political machine was fucked up beyond any saving.

pretty much this

Cut off all supplies to city for a year or two before even attempting an offensive operation. This would break morale and leave them with few supplies. A month before start heavy bombardments using artiliery, MLRS, and as weird as this might sound barrel bombs similar to what the Syrian Army used. They were extremely effective and drop at basically a perfect vertical rate which is what would make them useful for a large occupied city with skyscrapers. The move in following the 1 month bombardment would be extremely slow and methodical. Armor would be almost entirely useless apart from the first major break through and holding the line in key location. Very much infantry oriented with a reliance on a air power. I wouldn’t pull a Grozny and over extend my troops in one push. I’d say have a goal set of taking 5 block radius a week. Which would be doable with a large enough force. Also I would be shifting front line soldiers out of duty every month or so to give them rest. Urban warfare in a city like that would be horrendous and extremely costly, I’d wanna take care of my men and make sure they’re recooperated before sending them back in.

Did somebody say Urban Assualt?

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Blockade, dig deep ditches around it, dig tunnels into the city, bombard it with ordinary artillery shells then right after with thermobaric ordinance.
Move in troops with tank support (use t55s with a lot of improvised armor and ERA blocks underneath) and form 10 to 15 man teams to capture ruins, have tanks and cannons dig in at every captured location.
Go soviet style, make cauldrons and force the defenders to run or die using fire when closing the cauldron, place mortar teams all around to defend captured positions and plant mg nests supported by dug in tanks and artillery.
Then move further, bombing and burning the area few seconds before the troops and tanks advance.
Send in sniper and diversion teams to fuck shit up, to scout ahead and set shit to blow.
Set up smuggler routes, sell the enemy munitions that work and munitions with too much explosives that kill the ones firing the gun.
Sell them poisoned cigarettes and spam cans filled with shit.
Mount the largest speakers and noise amplifiers to blast music at the defenders, preferably music that makes them nostalgic or melancholic, then end it with a barrage.
Set up surrender checkpoints with UN vehicles that are painted BRIGHT white, spotless and shiny, blow the smell of great tasty food towards the other side.

99% of nyc's water supply is carried down three aquaducts to a single reservoir and then three runnels into into the seems like a point of vulnerability to me

For NYC. Blow up all the bridges. Destroy the water supply. Cut the electric. If you do this and wait about 30 days, it will handle itself.

Modern cities are a huge resource drain without that many production capabilities.

A siege would easily bring it to it's kneels, the problem is that modern warfare is way too fast for you to simply say "well let's just sit and see them eat each other" and having to freeze several regiments to circle a city will be a huge drain on your overall forces.

So, if you intend to take a city in less than 1 month prepary to unleash all the saturation techniques you have at your disposal, and then prepare to fight between the rubble(and rubble is good cover) with many IFVs, drones and old fashioned infantry.

There is really no special secret since the whole point of having to take a city is to go as fast as you can, so force and brutality are the only answers

>I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier.
>It therefore seems to me that there is one and only one valid argument on which a case for giving up strategic bombing could be based, namely that it has already completed its task and that nothing now remains for the Armies to do except to occupy Germany against unorganized resistance.
Yup. I think that should do the trick.

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Oh yeah, I forgot.
Do it again Bomber Harris!

Do it again Bomber Harris.

"do it again bomber harris "

Encircle it.
Destroy water supply, electric, etc.
Fill it with sarin and mustard gas.
Firebomb strategic areas.
Death squads attacking random places in the middle of the night killing everyone in sight.
Wait.

it really won't take long though. The NYC infrastructure is shit and with minimal reserves for food, those almost 9 million mouths will eat out their reserves faster than they understand. And it's a fucking island. Comparatively easy to control access.

Besiege and watch it starve and burn in a couple weeks. Open a humanitarian corridor if we have to be realistic.

The NYPD has like 40,000 active duty officers. You'd want to maybe scale up some.

Chemical weapon. Poison everything till they all die.

t. Pantifa faggot

>he killed GERMANS guys! So what if I’m American!? I’m over 11% German on my moms side of the family. Who cares if I I have an unnatural urge to be a traitorous wehraboo!? Y CUDNT THE NAZEES WHEN!???
Fuck off, you’re just as bad as the niggers who say they’re from Africa even though they’ve been in this blessed country for over 10 generations. If you don’t like America then leave, see if anyone cares. Traitors aren’t welcome here you authoritarian bootlicker.
>t. Conservative

Bomb the shit out of it.
Hit it with lots of artillery
Then gas the ruins for a week straight.
> Geneva rules - use tear gas
> absolute war - nerve
Send in infantry in full nbc kit to kill anything left.

>two weeks in
>the streets are strewn with trash, raw sewage, corpses, and vermin
>police stations have long since been abandoned and looted by street gangs
>8 million terrified civilians look to you for salvation
How do you proceed?

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I would level it with Grad rockets and then with incendiary bombs. Then I would send in infantry to mop up what's left

>The problem is that those mega cities are so large that it would require millions of troops to mount such an operation
NYC is easy brah. You only need to blockade the bridges, or worst case blow them up, and have a couple dozen or more patrol boats.

t. Civnat who thinks based minorities care about gun rights

Do it again Bomber Harris

>surround urban center, cut off any escape routes
>bombard with artillery for 4 weeks straight, some WWI tier shit
>tell population I'll leave if they lynch every shitskin and Jew in the city, if not attack will continue
>Give 48 hours to comply
>if they comply, inform them they're finally free to follow their own destiny as a people
>If not, lob 105s until nothing is left, even if it takes years

Isolating a city or main avenues of approach would be easiest, population would riot within the week if it was unprepared.

If you're talking about fighting regular armed forces that have taken up position in the city it's going to be hard and brutal fighting. Strategic and Tactical decisions would be extremely limited (outside going block to block, street to street and house to house fighting). Best bet is probably copying whatever previous city fighters have found worked; using SPAAG's to target enemies in higher elevated building, knock down internal walls as to avoiding stepping foot on the street, absolutely plastering the tallest building with firepower and copious use of high explosives when strong points are identified which pose too great a risk to take or circumvent.

do it again Bomber Harris

do it again bomber harris

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Do it again, Bomber Harris!

Lmaoing at you for defending a crime against humanity of this scale,cuz ''MUH NAHZEEES''. Fucking nigger. Kill yourself.

Do it again Bomber Harris

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is setting up checkpoints and only allowing civilians who detain/capture a rebel fighter to leave the urban area an effective way to get rid of the rebel forces?

Civic nationalists need to be put to death. Just exterminate the entirety of the America's. Also, America was not founded to interfere in European or Asian affairs.

>new york
>tokyo
>assault
No thanks man. I'll just airstrike 3 times a day, twice on weekends so my pilots can relax a bit while my ground forces set up a seige around the place. Wash rinse and repeat for maybe 3 or 4 weeks then send in recon teams to scout the place out. Once they're on their last legs I'll swoop on in for a killing blow by offering humanitarian aid to the survivors. GG.

This made me think of the old Atom Ant Cartoon Network bump.

Defies the point of taking the city.

I wouldn't prioritize capturing the city itself, but rather the power plants that supply the city with electricity. Capture them, and turn them off temporarily to demoralize the city's population. Imagine what would happen if a city the size of New York had to go without power for even just a few days. It would be chaos. Society would unravel. They'd go insane without their smart phones.

Wait for a few weeks, and then send in the troops. Have them hand out food and fresh water as they go along; the locals will be so desperate that they'll do whatever you tell them to, just for a bottle of fresh water.

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>a crime against humanity
germans aren't human

Cut off all supplies to the city, and flood the place with tear gas every other day. (Treaties be damned.) At the same time open refugee camps outside the city, and promise protection from any attack. After a week or two, make it clear that anyone still in the city will be considered a combatant.

Nice same-fagging wehraboo. I’ll give a bullet to a Nazi just as quick as I’ll give one to a filthy commie.

>this
Krauts aren’t people, they’re just cyclic retards who follow anything and anyone who yells at them hard enough.
>tfw Germany literally hasn’t won a war since the Herero War of 1904. And it was against stupid Africans. At least the Brit-bongs actually caught Zulu warriors like men.
Is it possible that Germans are one of the most militarisitically inferior nations of the 20th century?
>answer is yes

the russians did this in chechnya 2 and still managed to have 1000's of casualties

Yeah. I'm probably dumb enough to do that even though I get a bad impression from the term disposal, and I have no idea what the fuck the objective is. That's a pretty open ended question that makes me think I should write up a will to iron out some kinks or something just in case.

>nice thread about urban warfare
>see this shit
Can't you stop sperging out and fuck up the thread with our political off topic shit, faggot.

Strategic bombing until everything is a smoldering pile of rubble, then a concentrated mechanized assault into the suburbs, after establishing a successfull encirclement I'd probably starve the defenders out for like 2 weeks while reorganizing and reequipping everyone for urban combat, after that I would probably order a 4 hour long artillery barrage followed by a concentrated, combined arms thrust as deep into the city center as possible, followed up by another spearhead to establish an encirclement of the part of the city with the most important infrastructure (hospitals, railway stations, airports, etc.), after that the most important thing would be the localization of any enemy field hospitals and armories and their subsequent pinpoint bombing. After this it's pretty much a cycle of CAS hitting important shit, artillery barrages forcing enemy soldiers to abandon positions and infantry cleaning the shit up until they hit meaningful resistance. Captured civillians would be deported outside of the city to prevent partisan activities

Do note though that it depends what type of city it is, if it's a shithole like NY with no real natural barriers, the process would be relatively easy, while for example an old european style city in the middle of the mountains would be a much tougher nut to crack.

This. Densely populated urban areas' infrastructure and social stability is fragile as hell in the best of times. I wouldn't even give them a couple of weeks. The average person in one of these places is not even remotely prepared for any sort of emergency, let alone a potentially unfriendly military knocking out power and water. It would take maybe a couple of days before the plan goes from assaulting and conquering New York to just wandering through, mopping up the mess and calling it yours.

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Honestly just siege it, the manpower required to really take such a place and replace the losses is far larger than to simply siege the place, add some artillery to strike key infrastructure and wait a lot for the surrender, but you may as well nuke this kind of place, to control after the surrender is another logistic nightmare as well

This and the ATF memes are getting old and repeated into the fucking dirt.

fpbp

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And that's how gurilla warfare is so effective in current times, knock out their power supply, hit em with a EMP for good taste.

Secure the key water and electricity infrastructure. Sit on it until the city surrenders.

God that is beautiful.

The actual city officials will be out of their long before your army arrives.
The city won't "surrender" because it'll be too busy cannibalizing itself
I hope you brought troops to maintain order

But that's part of the beauty of it. By the time you actually send in troops, the locals will be so desperate for law & order that they'll practically be kissing your boots.

>New York
Arm the redguards and tell them they have free reign to kill whitey. The city will be destroyed by their own hands in no time
>Tokyo
This is more difficult as there is no significant racial divide to exploit. My idea would be to round up civilians and use them as shields as you slowly move from block to block clearing resistance.

I live in Brazil, this a normal day here.

1.) Tankettes
2.) Flamethrowers
3.) Killdozer v2.0
4.) Specially-bred jew-nigger hybrids fed a steady diet of Jow Forums and trained to be the forlorn hope
5.) Shotguns out the ass

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Block by bloody block.

Look at Mosul, Homs and Raqqa, the only way to take a city is a methodical advance taking each street and building individually. You can use as much air and artillery as possible to reduce the entire area to rubble, cut the power and starve the civilian population but at the end of the day ground still must be taken. That means fighting for it with infantry and armor.

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The number one rule of attacking a fortified position is don't fucking do it.
>Just bomb it into rubble
Absolutely retarded, urban warfare in rubble is even more difficult and you're not going to make anyone surrender that way either.
Military forces WILL find places to fortify and hold up, even if you destroy literally every building.
Military forces WILL let civilians starve while they stockpile food.

Go around the city and take something actually useful.

>Military forces WILL let civilians starve while they stockpile food.
If we're talking about the U.S. here, they might try to do that, but it wouldn't work. You would just end up with mass rioting that the U.S. military stationed there will have no choice but to quell, and suddenly the city is conquering itself for you.

...

NYC cops armed with NYC Glocks. I think his estimate is still going to hold.

I don't care. Sit on it till the city surrenders. I don't give a fuck if its 10 million citiots or a 100,000 left.

The way the Japs took Nanking, and also the same way America was planning on capturing Jap cities if the H-bombs didn't work, was to use mustard gas launched from artillery and then zerg rush before they can recover.
>b-but muh Geneva convention
You can use gas legally if your opponent uses it first on you. So all you have to do is false flag a gas attack on your troops and you are good to go.

Didn't work in Stalingrad

That tends to happen when you don't bring enough men or materiel.

do it again Bomber Harris

I was going to type out a long post based on the Siege of Leningrad but I just realized you're absolutely retarded.
Kill yourself.

do it again bomber harris

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Is "I disagree and here's why..." really too much for you? Are you this needlessly hostile with people in your everyday life?

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>Organize 25,000 sleepers
>Send in 15 guys who pipebomb and start really divisive actions like threatening rightwing newspapers
>Cops finally arrest them
>Once you reach the sweet spot of rightwing rage and news coverage you let loose the other 25,000 guys pretending to be left wing nutjobs and continue the campaign
>New York falls under martial law and right wing support surges in various left wing cities
>American cities split along extremists lines

op didn't say take it, he just said assault it

do you think new york would last 1-2 without supplies? They would be starving in 6months

Encircle the city, destroy all bridges and ports with bombing campaign. Entrench around it, destroy sewage and power sources
Modify c130s with crop dusting gear like agent orange but fill it with vx. Fly missions over the city for a week. Then another week of bombardment with mlrs dropping HEAT cluster munitions and arty dropping incindiary and and HE. Carpet bomb it too. Then stop for a day, two hours of mass artillery, then advance under CAS cover with mass infantry utilizing shock tactics and short range weapons (pdw, smg), push MBTs behind the infantry to deal with any remaining hard threats.

Gain superiority around the said city. Cut off all escape and reinforcement points if possible. Fly notices for people to leave, tell them that if they don't have x amount of time to vacate and when we enter the city, we'll treat them as aiding the enemy. Clear the city section by section.

Look up all the battles the US did in Iraqi major cities. Operations that the rest of the world called them stupid to conduct with so less personnel and yet achieved their goal.

Besides, you don't do such in depth city clearing unless all options went out the window unlike fucking video games where that's all you see.

ayyykshually they would start running out of food in less than a week.

Neither stores nor individual people actually keep stockpiles, and few millions people are like giant machine that convert tons of food into shit every hour.

Always remember the nine meals theory.

Starving a city is a remarkably difficult task, look at Leningrad to see how far people will go in order to not starve. What is defined as food, how much food is enough and the value of keeping the old and infirm alive all change when supplies get cut off.

Yeah, but that's Soviets who are used to be being hungry. Americans would go ballistic if they had to skip even a single meal.

Do it again bomber Harris

Don't forget that both leningrad and stalingrad were
-Less densely populated
-Had time to prepare
-Were not completely dependant on outside in-time food delivery, had food stored in place.
-actually had people living there that knew how to grow and farm shit.

Remember that during WWII cities had most of their food produced locally and/or delivered from nearby villages.
Modern megacities support population that is dozen times larger by constant delivery of food form hundreds kilometers away.
Current system is extremely effective, thats why people don't ever notice it until its gone. WWII system was very ineffective, but for the same reason it was very redundant and damage resistant. Siege of newyork would be nothing like stalingrad

>implying 40,000 hand grenades wouldn't stop 3 guys.

jew york would starve almost immediately.
9million hipsters and jews without access to vegan and kosh meals

capitulation within a week.

>Recreational rpgs

Just make sure not to stand behind them or you violate the NAP by aggressively standing in the way of the rocket fuel.

Do it again Bomber Harris!

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well if time is not a factor just take out bridges, tunnels and tracks, then hit the water and electrical grid and open a beer

cut all utilities and wait 3 weeks

Do it again bomber harris. I hope to kill neo-nazis in the future. Those subhumans killed more white people than brown people ever will.

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>he hasn't seen escape from new york