Right now NATO Europe outspends Russia 4.5 times.
Why are we taking the Russian army serious?
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Right now NATO Europe outspends Russia 4.5 times
Carter Price
Samuel Foster
Because 80% of their budget doesn't go to overhead, management and useless project?
Henry Morgan
You take Russia as serious as you would 50 year old ICBMs built by the Soviets.
Sebastian Kelly
Like Russian budget goes not for general's real estate.
Nolan Cox
Well, it doesn't go into purchasing or modernizing equipment either.
Their only aircraft carrier runs on fucking Mazut!
Austin Cooper
Just Europe alone purchased like 10 times the amount of modern fighters than Russia in the close to 20 years since the end of the war.
Ian Baker
yeah that's right, it goes to the pocket of the fat oligarchy and the rest of the money earned with the prostitution of soldiers
Jack Watson
If you're implying that 80% of european defence money go to "overhead, management and useless project(s)" I would like to see some sources.
Ethan Ward
It doesn't go into their building their arsenal as well ahahahah
>12 SU-57's (none build so far, only prototypes)
>Only builds like 12 t14's a year
>Cheap Kalashnikov drones
Charles Bell
Only a retarded westerner would believe this. In terms of corruption, Russia is worse than India. Let that sink in.
Ayden Nguyen
The joke is that Germany and Poland alone have equal the potential conscripts than Russia.
Russia's age pyramide is fucked up.
Brayden Rivera
>Why are we taking the Russian army serious?
because your too chickenshit not to
best you can do against them is spread fake news just like they do and post graphs
while they show up in a middle eastern country and turn the tide of war against western interests and gain a strong foothold in the middle east
i wont even mention Venezuela where a mere rumor of russian mercenaries mentioned prior in fake news stopped another cia glow in the dark nigger coup.
Their clunky utterly useless brigades snatched a fucking peninsula they used to own and the entire western world that outspends them in military shit and outnumbers them in everything showed a large soilent mouth gape and let their dogs, the ukrainians hang from electric power cables to get bloated and to decompose.
Imagine being so decadent, lavish and rich to have the power to grab the world, only to falter and hide like a tiny little bitch in front of an aging horde of junkies and rapists from the east armed with last century weapons
Who is the joke here?
Im going to laugh even harder when the soulless yellow bug men make your GOD named US Dollar useless, when you all become trillionaires when a burger ration is one and a half trillion US Dollars
David Evans
>everyone is fighting ISIS
>western powers just help shitty militias fight Assad without fighting Syria directly
>Russia joins the fight and helps Syria beat those shitty sandnigger militias
>fight on the same side as everyone else against ISIS
>take back about 2/3rds of the country while the rest is under NATO-aligned control
>claim victory
>invade part of dilapidated Russia aligned country no one bothers to help
>turn the entire country against them while they turn to NATO
>claim victory
>2019
>still losing against a fucking AIDS epidemic
Russia is shit, get over it.
Michael Gomez
Yet the mere mention of Russia and vatniks makes the US go into complete utter mass hysteria.
US is going to have nightmares about some drunk vatnik sodomizing them until Chang stands there and spit roasts them. Hell Africa already belongs to Chang.
Ryan Lee
The mayor of Volgograd paid popular Moscow singer Ruslana equivalent of 1,2mln USD for a charity concert on war veteran's day.
War veterans attending the show were given food coupons.
Austin Rogers
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Ian Green
lmao
Luis Phillips
Yeah Ivan Russian military is famous for high standards and lack of corruption.
Carter Flores
Because Russia can never be trusted and never be underestimated, even in their worst they can get up and show a unqiue ability to survive and hit hard. Everyone with a bit of knowledge about Europe knows this. Also, they're the leader of REDFOR in all scenarios in modern day Europe. There is no big bad left other than Russia in the current climate.
Xavier Diaz
>outspends
Henry Powell
We don't, its bullshit to have even more spending
Hunter Evans
>Thing that never happen
Josiah Russell
>Cheap Kalashnikov drones
What the fuck are you talking about?
Jackson Wood
Cameron Sanchez
Because people still think Russia is like the Soviet Union, without realizing it's not a shithole that keeps falling further behind the west.
Chang is as much of a threat to Russia as the west.
David Powell
Because they have nukes, oil, and a bunch of land.
Other than the nukes, they're no threat. Small population, shit GDP. They only thing they're great at on today's world stage is trolling and cheating.
Austin Turner
Germans are being replaced by Turks who will not fight for Germany anyway.
Jonathan James
That's of no matter since germans won't fight for germany either.
Jacob Miller
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Benjamin Parker
>27 national armies each with their own overhead (and many with their own arms industry)
It's stupidly inefficient. And if we were to defend, say, poland or the baltics, how much of a force could each of those members send? How many would refuse before it's too late (and see russia drive all the way to berlin before they could even mobilize)? How big would the friction be between all those different forces? European military spending does not even remotely translate to the kind of capacities that the same spent on a single army would.
Carter Walker
>It's stupidly inefficient. And if we were to defend, say, poland or the baltics, how much of a force could each of those members send? How many would refuse before it's too late (and see russia drive all the way to berlin before they could even mobilize)?
In terms of what NATO aims to generate? look up the 30-30-30-30 plan.
And why do you think that Russia could generate an invasion force without anybody noticing?
Nicholas Perry
Because wages are much higher in Europe than Russia, meaning both personnel costs and the actual cost of producing military equipment are vastly lower.
Luke Miller
>And why do you think that Russia could generate an invasion force without anybody noticing?
Not what I said. The point is, nato states might be reluctant to send their forces, more so than would be prudent in the face of mounting agression. This 4-30 plan seems reasonable, but it's just a proposal at the moment.
Cameron Bailey
>you have to spend in a 1:1 ratio with your enemies to make serious problems for them
this isn't a strategy video game.
Jason Reyes
Yeah if you ignore the countries where it's cheaper than Russia.
Leo Flores
And how much countries are that percentage wise in that case? Come back when you actually have an arguement.
Inb4 you post a list of countries that arent in NATO and europe.
Benjamin Roberts
Countries that change their leaders periodically vs a virtual dictatorship where political opponents commit "suicide"
not sure who i should trust guys.
Logan Howard
>percentage wise
There's about the equivalent of the entire Russian population living in NATO countries that have lower GDP per capita.
Christian Ramirez
It reminds me of a blanket on someone who pretends to b spooky ghost
Ryder Nguyen
YES VASILY, YOU DO NOT NEED OVERHEAD AND MANAGEMENT IF PROJECT DOES NOT REAL!
Kevin Campbell
Outspends...
If spending mattered, the US wouldn't have been a conquered nation right now. Yet here we are...
Jack Turner
Because nukes still wreck shit even if they're backed up by 90s era ground pounders
Michael Diaz
remember when rusia fired rockets on sryia, and every rocket hit the target
but
amerifats fired duno 22 rockets and only 2 hit?
lul
Ayden Barnes
This post = Operation Earnest Voice
The Russians are still a force to reckoned with globally. They play up the "tin pot retard" image
Xavier Brooks
Seriously. Even Tass had to choke running that story.
Blake Harris
We’re weren’t conquered. We left the back door open and help came in.
We just forgot to close the door.
Oliver Martinez
Russia can't even modernize their fucking Navy and you're talking shit? Lmfao
Luis Miller
Add to that possible insurgency in some NATO states.
Jose Young
>insurgency in NATO states
lol
Julian Wood
>outspends Russia
Outspend this, warmongering clown.
Cooper Hughes
>it doesn't go into purchasing or modernizing equipment either
Or does it?
Brody Allen
>european defence
svd.se
Anthony Williams
>He thinks Hungarians, Greeks, etc. are going to participate in a nuclear war for American intersets
Lol.
>The following morning, Sunday 13 June, Clark arrived at Jackson's HQ in Skopje. It was pointed out to him that the Russians were isolated and could not be reinforced by air and that Russian support had been a vital part of getting a peace agreement. Antagonising them would only be counterproductive. Clark refused to accept this and continued to order the runway blocked, claiming to be supported by the UN Secretary General.[2] Jackson refused to enforce Clark's orders, reportedly telling him "I'm not going to start the Third World War for you."[5]
en.wikipedia.org
Elijah King
>Russia can't even modernize their fucking Navy
Says who exactly?
Brandon Bell
Because the russians have enough planes, tanks, and nukes to make that difference in budget irrelevant.
On top of them, they have General Winter. Any conflict with them is gonna end up struggling the monent you try to push into russian territory
Jeremiah Jenkins
No, there isnt.
en.wikipedia.org
Cope harder, vatnik.
Carson Reyes
Everyone that looked a bit deeper into the topic.
Bentley Perry
>join thread insulting Russians
>end up being called a vatnik
How did this happen?
Leo Stewart
>we modernize our equipment, look at that grand total of 4 modern aircraft we're getting
Blake Fisher
Try a real answer next time. They've got state of the art new corvettes, frigates, SSNs and SSBNs.
Jaxon Richardson
>Ineducable asshole seething
Nice.
Robert Walker
>They've got state of the art
>new corvettes, frigates, SSNs and SSBNs.
kek
Joseph Hughes
>4 modern aircraft
Hudson Myers
>>join thread insulting Russians
And where did you do that in that response string? Cope harder.
Oliver Price
lol
Kevin Robinson
Because there's always the possibility that some future scientific or technological breakthrough renders nuclear weapons less dangerous, enabling war again.
If that happens, you don't want to be caught with your pants down.
Jackson Bennett
Would you rather have an army that can beat an enemy or an army that DOMINATES an enemy?
Joseph James
They're military is not terrible and can very well rival US/NATO. Russia also seems to be working on hypersonic missiles which operational or not is still farther that US tech which is a problem/threat
Ayden Mitchell
>Su-35
>modern
Already markedly inferior to ALL the yuro planes in production.
Leo Reed
And Russia has been economically hobbled by horrifying corruption. And it never stopped.
Has Russia gotten a handle on shit in the 90s, the Japanese wouod have slapped down some Honda plants and turned Russia into the production hub for half of Asia.
It was too corrupt. There was too much graft, and every time they tried to build something, even after getting permits, theyd get stopped with some bullshit for extra fees.
This bullshit never stopped, and the mafiya state doesnt care.
If Russia had gotten its shit together, they would have kicked the Checnyans out of the Caucuses and sent them into exile with the Circassians. And they would have an economy similar in size to Japan. And from that, likely would have absorbed and reconquered part of its former territory. Too bad.
Jordan Lopez
Literally below China and every Euro country getting F-35. Even Poland is getting 32 of them.
Kayden Mitchell
Russian minority in the Baltics coupled with Russian sympathizers in pretty much all of Eastern and Southern Europe, I'd say yes. Quite probable.
David King
ok retard
Anthony James
Because unlike [every NATO country that isn't the US] they're actually willing to use their military.
A ragtag, 50 year out of date military that gets used regularly is infinitely more dangerous than an ultramodern military that won't even be put on alert as enemy tanks roll into their nation's capital.
Carson James
>Let that sink in.
liberal faggot detected
Robert Jackson
Oh come on, if Americans aren't constantly harried with nonsense about evil Russians, they might start asking questions about certain other nations. It's the same reason why the governor of the state of New York issued an official response to the press about a twelve year old that drew in chalk on a sidewalk (condemning the 12yo -- this actually happened). You are being distracted because your government largely does not work.
Owen Baker
Shut the fuck up Muslim
Eli Butler
Yeah, that's why NASA depends on them.
Bentley Clark
>Had Russia gotten a handle on things in the 90s
This is like saying "had Israel gotten a handle on things in the early forties."
Owen Bell
because something something Putin something something election meddling something something Maddow told me so.
Matthew Ramirez
>That's of no matter since germans won't fight for germany either.
There's something important to bring up here. If you have a tract of land where nobody holds any stake in it and nobody is willing to defend it, can that area actually be considered a country and does the government claiming the right over it hold any actual authority? If you knocked out the government of these areas and just took them in a sweeping surgical action, would anyone even give a shit? Would a single soul cry for them?
Camden Baker
stay mad sand nigger
Christian Edwards
I mean, these days I also apply this sort of question to the US. The US is a weak nation as far as its national unity. There is no integrity. Children aren't educated on the history of this country nor is any sense of pride instilled in them. They simply exist. They're human flotsam.
Nolan Carter
Because NATO is an alliance of shitload of countries, all of them having their own army. And many of these armies waste their budgets on bullshit. Look at Bundeswehr.
Corruption aside, Russians spend their money better.
Liam Peterson
Most of euro spendings actually go to wages, pensions and maintaining infrastructure. In Russia however wages is shit, the barracks almost fall apart and the state stopped paying pensions, so they dont need to spend nearly as much.
Brayden Bailey
You are worse then nigs Vladislav
Daniel Brooks
reported for antisemitism
Levi Howard
>The US is a weak nation as far as its national unity. There is no integrity. Children aren't educated on the history of this country nor is any sense of pride instilled in them.
Are you being paid in Rubles, or Yuan?
Dominic Butler
In Riyals.
Noah Myers
Could Russia even beat the polish army? No nuclear warfare, russians are attacking and poles are defending. No nato intervention except for keeping the Russian navy out of it.
Charles Gomez
>does the government claiming the right over it hold any actual authority
Try breaking some environmental regulation in germany and see what happens lol. It's not that the government is impotent, it is just unwilling to actually enforce some rules (like those on immigration). As is the american one, for that matter.
Jeremiah Bell
Polish army has been basically disbanded since decades, turned into a foreign legion for USA turd ears. Five dozen battle ready Leo2 A5 lacks of modern ammunition and spare parts, since the bootlickers left Club Leoben. Meanwhile attempts of modernization are successfully diverted by people bribed by Lockheed.
>new innovative camo? You won't get it!
>capable AA long range SAM? Sorry, suck this basic bitch Patriot!
>domestically produced rocket artillery? Uh nuh, now let me shove that outdated HIMARS up your kielbasa ass.
>another 50 fighter planes? There won't be competition, get that Turkey35 and pay hand and leg for it!
Colton Rodriguez
>spooky
Benjamin Long
>Imagine being so decadent, lavish and rich to have the power to grab the world, only to falter and hide like a tiny little bitch in front of an aging horde of junkies and rapists from the east armed with last century weapons
This happened to every empire that ever existed since man walked on Earth, this is nothing new
Nolan Gray
Russia will be the eternal boogeyman to the west for as long as defense industry wants to profit. And when a nation fears, it spends on defense.
Jaxson Diaz
>Seething ass hurt
Jacob Walker
>gets told, explained to how the russian army is a rotting corpse with a veneer of potemkin toys to make it look modern
>n-no! yuo asshurt!!!!1
Yep, that's a vatnik.
Lincoln Barnes
Man that's a cool mosque
Daniel Martin
With russia being the most muslim friendly country in Europe and having more muslim population than any other European country, it is kind of expected of them to build some nice mosques.
It does make the vatnik squeals about how the rest of Europe is over run by muslims ring hollow on the other hand.
Justin Morgan
Literally nobody has problems with Tatars not even poles.