Should Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, and SEA countries form a military alliance to contain Chinese aggression...

>Should Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, and SEA countries form a military alliance to contain Chinese aggression?
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>Cambodia and Laos cooperating with Vietnam.
>Cambodia and Thailand cooperating.
>Thailand with Burma cooperating.
>Indonesia wanting to do join in something that doesn't affect them.
>Koreans wanting to do anything with Japs

BRUH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Korea and Japan were one country as recently as 70 years ago.

>he doesn't know
no one tell him kek

how to make Koreans butthurt, the post

I should also add
>China is Cambodia's counterweight to Vietnam.
>Thailand has utter economic ties with China.
>China is Burma's counterweight vs. Thailand.
Alliance among SEAsians vs. China is impossible because they're never unified to begin with HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Will the next hotspot be SEA? It's always the equatorial regions that get the conflicts.

>when Korea leaves your defensive pact and allies with China instead

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Reasonable Koreans know exactly how much Japan improved Korea during its colonial time. There are enough historic sources and papers that were written on this very subject, it's just not something that gets brought up too much.

More than that.

China own ALL production lines for their weapons. Chinese warships are endlessly reproducible, without having to wait for the next SM-2 shipment from the US.

>Pretty sure top 3 shipbuilding companies in the world are Korean.
Well, you're wrong.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_shipbuilding_companies

>Chinese warships are endlessly reproducible, without having to wait for the next SM-2 shipment from the US.
This just means they have shittier components. If Japan and Korea wanted to, they could build thousands of shitty boats.

Ah my bad, just 4 out of top 10 and Japan and Korea have 6 out of top 10 and completely dwarf China.

>implying the japs and koreans would ever side with eachother
Were you even paying attention to WWII?

Fun fact: Korea is closer politically to China than to Japan. So good look making them cooperate with Japan against China.

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Lol seriously. Koreans would rather side with China even knowing that China was coming for them next than ever be on the same side as Japan.

Korea has always been closer to China than to Japan. It's a historic fact.

Why not just continue letting America do all the work

If by closer you mean it has been a longer time since they were subjugated by the Chinese then yeah, you're right. Best Korea buddied up to them during the 50's I guess, which makes sense since Japan thoroughly raped both of them prior.

This.
Koreans are hell bent on revenging themselves on Japan. You can't expect a voluntary formation of alliance in this region. The semblance of cooperation between Japan and Korea was only made possible through American efforts, and Japan doesn't count on Korea anyway.

And it will always be. They'll never overcome the ingrained vassal mentality.

Exactly.

China, Korea and Japan dislike each other but Korea dislikes Japan far more than China. Why is this so hard to understand?

Like it or not, Korea will have to warm up to Japan if they don't want to be literal Chinese vassals again. Japan doesn't have the power to subjugate Korea, but China will soon have it.

>Philippines

They don't have an effective Navy. A couple new patrol ships, some surplus USCG cutters, and a load of junk left over from WW2. This is the ship that's currently fighting the Chinese in the South China Sea.

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Japan should do some join exercises with Sea countries just like US do with Sea countries every year with CARAT, Cobra Gold,Garuda Shield etc

They can provide bases and other ancillary support.

in all honesty I think it's because they don't realize 1) how fucking brutal Asians can be to eachother and 2) how deep these old grudges run. I first realized it at a family reunion where one of my great uncles was married to a Japanese woman he met while stationed in Japan and another family member was married to a Korean woman he met while stationed in Korea. The two women were absolutely the nicest people you have ever met to anyone else, but for some reason they hated eachother with a literal burning passion. That's when I kind of looked in to it more and found out that these countries have all sort of fucked eachother over whenever it is convenient for them.

Korea was Japanese vassals man. That's why they hate eachother. Koreans see Japanese as oppressors and Japs see Koreans as worthless underlings.

>ancillary support

You're right about that

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Most of their History was under Chinese influence or Chinese vassalage. The Chinese will spin it "as returning things how they should be" and the Pro-Chinese Koreans will support it and honestly I'm pretty sure most Koreans don't actually give a shit about their own independence. They just want a stable Economy.

Literally no one in Japan give a shit about what happened 100 years ago. Koreans do because their state education tells them to hate Japan.

They already have.

They Do give a shit about the Korean's digging back up the shit from 100 years ago. I remember there was a pretty big poll done a while back that showed that the general negativity towards each other was actually higher in Japan than in Korea after that whole radar thing.

Becuz Koreans should strive to outcompete the Japanese in everything in every field.
From cars to semiconductors.
And should the US get in the way of that...

Yeah naturally they are sick and tired of Koreans never stop nagging them, but the idea that hatred from 100 years ago can continue on is just retarded. Also the idea that 100 years ago most Koreans hated Japan is also unfounded.

That is because in Japan, Koreans are seen as niggers but not Abos like the Ainus.
South Koreans are ingrates who abused Japanese hospitality and used Japanese technology to usurp everything Japan had built since the 60s.
So why wouldn't Japs hate the Koreans? They are their no.1 competitor globally.

I mean yeah, if you look at Korean culture about 100 years ago during Japanese rule there's actually literature criticizing fellow Koreans for adopting Japanese culture (only then to throw it under the rug the moment they lose). But if you look at any major figure during the Meiji period you'll see they have some pretty hot takes on the Korean Peninsula. But I'm not saying there was a general animus in the general public, I'm just saying these roots go much farther back than ww2

I personally would advise you to send your hatred not towards the people who used Japan, but the Japanese who enabled this process not only in Korea but in a larger effect in China by sending ludicrous amounts of money to them in the form of ODA's and other payments to the continent. Also you have to admit in the lost 20 years of Japan there was significant Japanese Brain drain and that wasn't anyone's fault other than the Americans.

Xi literally said to Trump that Korea had been part of China.

not surprised, Chinese diplomats apparently told Hillary Clinton when she was secretary of state that they could "Claim that Hawaii was part of China since Ancient times" half jokingly half seriously.

If the only other option is sucking PLAN cock. Yeah I think they just might.
Epecially if the US wasn’t involved.

>Implying Moon isn't already

10,000 yuan have been credited to your account.
Now you can afford to buy that bowl of noodles you’ve always wanted!

>Korea will have to warm up to Japan if they don't want to be literal Chinese vassals again
But that's the whole damn point myself and others have been trying to make! Koreans prefer China to Japan. Don't you understand? The only reason Koreans most of the time pretend to get along with Japan is because the US asks bribes or forces them to.

Have you ever been to either Japan, Korea or China?

>South Koreans are ingrates who abused Japanese hospitality and used Japanese technology to usurp everything Japan had built since the 60s.
This is very true. Add to that the literally made up bullshit about "comfort women" (actually legal prostitutes from Korea) with which they try to blackmail Japan 24/7.

Link please.

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The Pax Americana has ended.
It’s every nation for itself.

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Japan has the whole “they was good bois, they dindu nuffin!” thing down pretty well.
That said. Who gives a shit. Almost every jap soldier who got serviced is dead.
As well as the thousands of Koreans who willingly served in the IJA.

>If America declared war on Nork,
>47.6% Sork would side with Nork
>Dat 1/5 of Sork that would attack Japan just because America invade Nork

Wow... just wow

Which, if war broke out, wouldn't be in any state for ship construction.

...said Jiao, eager to receive his .50 cents for the day to buy a hot bun for his single child.

>“He then went into the history of China and Korea. Not North Korea, Korea. And you know, you’re talking about thousands of years . . . and many wars. And Korea actually used to be a part of China. And after listening for 10 minutes, I realized that it’s not so easy.” — President Trump, interview with the Wall Street Journal, April 12, 2017
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>Japan has the whole “they was good bois, they dindu nuffin!” thing down pretty well.
But they're not wrong about this. I'm fairly skeptical about Japanese claims regarding Nanking but when it comes to "comfort women" they are in the right.

>That said. Who gives a shit. Almost every jap soldier who got serviced is dead.
>As well as the thousands of Koreans who willingly served in the IJA.
This is all taken straight from the playbook of a certain (((group))). Koreans are just trying to emulate (((them))).

Unfortunately though, they haven't understood the intrincacies of it, which is why their efforts have failed for the most part.

Welcome to East Asia.

However on the other hand, how much of China's: food, metal ore, and energy (coal, oil, and gas) needs to pass through the first island chain?

>6/10 of the World's largest shipbuilders are Japanese or South Korean
>cHiNa wOuLD dWArf tHEm

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No, says yank in DC.

No ships would be getting built in SK if they went to war with China, they would be riddled with missile craters as China attempts to cut off sea born supply from us, not to mention that they need to import that steel to build with.

>The Japs and worst Koreans would dominate with air power.
is this a fucking joke? You realize China is the only country on that list which operates IRBMs, right? The PLAN South Sea Fleet alone can fucking steamroll over the entire SEA.

oh shit. you best get your butthole ready for some gook rage.

>how much of China's: food, metal ore, and energy (coal, oil, and gas) needs to pass through the first island chain?
not a lot in a wartime economy.

Yeah, they would probably take that alternative lol.

I'm pretty sure those Koreans were conscripts. If you doubt me, look up the movie My Way. It's a true story. Maybe that'll provide you with some context.

>This is very true. Add to that the literally made up bullshit about "comfort women" (actually legal prostitutes from Korea) with which they try to blackmail Japan 24/7.
fucking bullshit. Ask the Dutch and the Chinese.

The future of Asia is Chinese hegemony.

The lesser countries in that region would be wise to submit now rather than later.

Daily remainder china has very little in the way of force projection.

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Why do Asian people hate each other so much? Japs hate Koreans like they nuked their cities. At least with the US and EU its mostly banter.

Wouldn't most of Chinese industrial and political centers be in range of missiles from Taiwan, Korea, and Okinawa? Why do people act like only China can shoot missiles?

Subjugation and dehumanization man. It's the way war is fought in Asia. To give you an example, when I was in Thailand, I went scuba diving with a Thai/Cambodian border conflict veteran. He showed me a vido he shoot with a go pro of his squad ambushing a Cambodian squad. They managed to push the squad back, but one man fell behind. They took the guy and chopped his head off with a machete and laughed about it while smoking cigarettes. There's a reason they say not to wage a ground war in South East Asia, and it's not just due to the terrain, it's the people too.

>There's a reason they say not to wage a ground war in South East Asia
I have literally never heard anyone say this.

30 hours

China won't be able to build ships if their iron ore imports are going to the bottom of the sea. Unless they go the whole Mao pig metal route again.

China uses over 13 million barrels per day of oil, yet produces only 4 million, much of which is offshore and so not likely to be useful during war. Sure they could reduce oil usage in non-military capacities, but then what is that going to do for matters like food production? It's also pretty doubtful China can secure all its coastal industry.

China has the same fertility rate as the EU, but is only a middle income country with negative net migration. Go look up dependency ratio if you want to see China's future.

>China uses over 13 million barrels per day of oil, yet produces only 4 million, much of which is offshore and so not likely to be useful during war
it's like you don't even know about the Russian pipelines.
If you SERIOUSLY think Japan and SK has enough offensive capacities to threaten the fucking PRC, you're retarded.

hourly REMINDER that it's still more than all the other nations listed combined.

>Why do people act like only China can shoot missiles?
because ONLY CHINA HAS THEM IN BOTH MEANINGFUL QUALITY AND QUANTITY, RETARD.

>China won't be able to build ships if their iron ore imports are going to the bottom of the sea
what is lead time?
what is steel stockpile?
what is you're a fucking moron. Oh wait, that' wasn't a question at all.

Only reason Korea, Japan, and Taiwan don't have them is because of political reasons. If things heat up, the heating up will take years and give those three plenty of time to rearm themselves.

It was first said by Field Marshal Montgomery but made famous by the Princess Bride.

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>It was first said by Field Marshal Montgomery but made famous by the Princess Bride.
Montgomery never said it, and neither did Princess Bride. The meme is "Don't go into a land war in Asia," but not South East Asia.

>Only reason Korea, Japan, and Taiwan don't have them is because of political reasons.
>political reason
You mean the US of fucking A.
> If things heat up, the heating up will take years
you're talking out of your ass. East Asia has been pretty fucking volatile for the last 3 decades.

If you want to jerk off to some retarded Pan Asian Anti Chinese Alliance fantasy, just fanfic it yourself. Don't post your worthless opinions here. As it stands right now, only Russia and the US has enough offensive capabilities to threaten the PRC.

Why are you seething, bro? Why do you take it personally that people think East Asian countries should arm themselves against China?

It's not about current regional US allies having the ability to invade China, it's about China not having the ability to really intimidate the USA's regional allies. Russia's oil pipeline infrastructure is not east facing, current capacity after a new pipeline opened this year is 600,000 bpd at 100% capacity, and that is going to North China, not the East and South.

>Should Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, and SEA countries form a military alliance to contain Chinese aggression?
If you could get the Koreans and Japs, Thais and Burmese, Cambodians and Vietnamese to not tear at each other's throats, I suppose you could.

Why are you so fucking stupid?

>it's about China not having the ability to really intimidate the USA's regional allies.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ching chong lmao

Burgers, how does it make you feel that a commie shithole is a hundred times more nationalistic than you have ever been?

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>Were you even paying attention to WWII?
Did you? Tens of thousands of Koreans fought in the Imperial Japanese Army, and millions more voltunteered but were turned down as Japan didn't have enough supplies to equip them.
>b-b-but they hate each other!
If the USSR can get Poland and Germany to work together just a few years after said germans raped Warsaw then America can get the gooks to cooperate with the nips 70 years after Japanese colonialism (which unlike German occupation of Poland actually helped modernize the country a great deal).

According to credible chinese propaganda, you're correct.

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is this some terrible bait or are you retraded?

>Russian pipelines

Which can only move 600 Thousand bpd where as China has a deficit of 9 Million bpd. That's not even the best part though. Oil is crucial for agriculture without which China will have subpar crop yeilds and distribution. Meaning they're going to make less food than normal. And China already is food insecure and cannot produce enough to feed itself. Meaning that if you blockade hundreds of millions will starve.

...but the other countries don't need force projection, they just need to sit where they are and stop ships going to and from China by announcing a blockade of the waterways they control. China is the one that has to project force.

So does it come down to a scenario where if the Co-Prosperity Sphere Forces can sit on the Philippines, Taiwan, and Okinawa and interdict shipping, they will starve China out?

blockade? with what navy?

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Which has the better Burke-based bote, Japan or Korea?
armedforces.eu/compare/destroyers_Atago-class_vs_Sejong_the_Great-class

SeeJapan and Worst Korea alone have more destroyers than China, and higher quality.
Also Anti-China forces would have an air force with F-35C as its backbone.