Would a black uniform like this give you a disadvantage? Easier to see in woods, mountains etc...?
Uniform effectivness
Julian Taylor
Aiden Allen
Whatever immediate tactical advantage it might have is vastly outweighed by the optics and resulting sociopolitical issues it causes.
You can only win a major conflict if you have the people on your side. It's not the only criteria for victory but it is a mandatory one.
If you don't have a sympathetic population you are screwed for logistics, financial support, political support, etc. All of which are crucial to successful military campaigning.
So if you have aesthetics associated with concepts perceived as evil - such as black, red, skulls, etc. Then you will be invoking subconscious fear reactions on the part of everyone who sees you. Including your own people.
It's just a dumb idea. Soldiers should be dressed in a way which balances tactical and social appropriety. A uniform your people can look up to and admire, and want their sons to wear, while also being functional and effective on the battlefield.
Ryder Ross
Yes. Before the advent of camouflage colour uniforms at around 1900, it was used for military uniforms occasionally. Not so much since, though there are a few exceptions.
>Including your own people.
Nonsense. If your army has a good reputation as it is, they'll think it badass. Same thing with the skulls and stuff.
As for inciting fear in the enemy population, that's often precisely what you want to happen. Not hate, if it can be avoided, but a little bit of fear can help foster cooperation.
Joseph Jenkins
Yes, black uniforms would be at a disadvantage relative to earth tones or camouflage patterns. It might not make or break the unit however. Concealment of infantry doesn't really decide the outcomes of battles most of the time. The Khmer Rouge won the war against government loyalists who wore olive drab fatigues because the Chinese gave them artillery.
Mason Murphy
Black is not a natural color, youd stand out. A lot.
Julian Scott
The picture you posted is the Crna Legija a Croatian-German unit consisted of Croatian refugees, tough bastards that decimated communists and royalists in the Balkan campaign, so this is an exception, for the most part black uniforms are stupid.
Kayden Davis
>Black is not a natural color, youd stand out.
>what is nighttime
Angel Scott
There's still a degree of light and every other color in low light is by default darker than it would be under normal light conditions so there is no advantage.
Grayson Walker
Everyone's got NODs/NVGs these days. Solid splotches of any single color actually stand out a good bit in the green/black world.
Nathaniel Carter
>Everyone's got NODs/NVGs these days.
Cooper Collins
Taliban/Huzbullah/ISIL/snackbar-militia has loads of russian surplus NVGs and usually has issued at least one for every squad/cell. The days of when we owned the night were great while it lasted. Now you have to assume they at least have a spotter with gen1+ looking for mass movement.
Ayden Martin
Pic related: Lithuanian NVG, and a BAE thermal imager
Isaac Cook
What are you basing that off of?
Benjamin Lewis
>implying those are actually working and the sandniggers aren’t just showing off broken gear that was abandoned
Lucas Garcia
There have been multiple stories regarding the Talibans use of night vision and other advanced optics. You could very well be right, but these things are built to be durable and last, it's highly probable that they do have them and use them all be it in a limited role.
Luis Richardson
>that was abandoned
Like the tens of thousand brand new PVS14s ISL captured when they took over half of Iraq? Or the thousands the ANA immediately sell the Taliban every month when they get issued? The cheap russian surplus from Iran the flooded Syria?
James Butler
The fact that it’s a propaganda video and captured hardware works unless you’ve got both a shitload of it and experts who can help maintain it.
The Taliban a second rate guerilla army so the chances that they have either is next to zero
Levi Garcia
so rhodesian brushstroke is the superior option
Mason Martinez
Here's an article on the topic, pretty good read
armamentresearch.com
And here is a taliban video which shows a view through thermal and nightvision optics
jihadology.net
Gavin Walker
>The Taliban a second rate guerilla army so the chances that they have either is next to zero
seeTaliban have sourced secondhand but quality Russian/Euro surplus from Pakistan/local market and straight up first rate USGI from ANA.
Joseph Baker
Men fight at night when black is advantageous.
Isaac Clark
Aren’t the handmedowns we give to our “allies” also broke as shit because we don’t trust them?
Cameron Bennett
Because that wouldn't cause a shitshow Al Jazeera wouldnt be all over in a heartbeat trying to prove the Great Satan is wanting it's allies to fail as part of a giant conspiracy against the faithful?
No, we give them first rate shit and they either break it doing dumb shit or sell it to the guys trying to kill us.
Jaxson Moore
The environment does not change color at night. Humans perceive colors to change value when ambient light is reduced, but the colors REMAIN THE SAME. A leaf is not a darker green under pitch black. If you wear a uniform that closely or exactly matches the color of the environment around you (the color value/hue under light) then your uniform will also appear to be darker. If what you're wearing is actually darker than the environment, you will be more visible. Black fatigues have a lower albedo than almost any naturally occurring object on earth and will look like a visible blob if there is any ambient light in the visual spectrum.
You people have got to be some of the dumbest motherfuckers on earth.
Jordan Russell
German tankers wore black because then the smudging and oil spillage didn't show as badly. SS wore black uniforms up to the war started, then went for other colors and patterns. British tankers wore black uniforms for a short while until presumably enough had been shot by their own forces thinking them german. Vietcong and Greek commie rebels dyed everyday clothes black for uniform use as they had nothing else.
As for night use, realize that most soliders during ww1 and ww2 were not at all keen on night combat. Confusion cost more losses than they were inflicting.
Ian Williams
>yfw desert night grid camo aesthetics return
Adam Sanders
Absolutely. Black is a shit color for camo.