My friend has had 3 close calls, and he's finally ready to get a gun. He's looking for a snubnose revolver, cheap as possible. He's looking for .44 or .357. Looking for new, although I tried to convince him to buy used.
I know pic related, and the rock island whatever the hell in .38 for revolvers under $300. Any other possible suggestions?
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used ruger sp101
small but heavy enough to manage the recoil
S&w J Frame in .38 special
He can't find confidence in used hardware.
No objective downgrades
Then get a j frame in 357
> can't find confidence in used hardware
Kindly explain to him that he's a fucking retard.
used revolvers are fine when coming from a reputable company just give it a once over at the store
imo a used ruger or smith and wesson is much better than a new taurus other cheap revolver
If he wants to spend money have him get a SW 500 Mag snub.
There's no point, I'm just grateful that he's not overly confident in hardware to the point of buying an automatic and thinking it's going to work out without training.
If he wanted to spend money, we wouldn't be looking at a windicator.
he might be better off with an automatic
snub noses aren't the easiest handgun to learn how to shoot with and revolvers still malfunction despite silly myths.
>357 mag snub nose
>new shooter
I see no problems here
did he buy a used car by any chance?
Revolvers display malfunctions of the same variety as automatics, but automatics have an entire category of malfunctions revolvers don't. If you're not going to go to the range and familiarize yourself extensively with your weapon, an automatic is not for you.
>.357
>all shoot .38spl
No, you wouldn't.
Probably, and I know he's fixing it constantly.
where the fuck do you live where your friend's nearly died 3 time; St Louis?
Then why get a 357 they are heavier, larger and offer limited advantage from short barrels with a significant increase in recoil and muzzle blast
>No objective downgrades
I realize your friend is a noguns know-nothing but apparently so are you. 357 out of a short barrel us fucking stupid. both 38spl and 9mm loaded with appropriate ammo will meet or exceed FBI standards for penetration and expansion. The only thing you gain with 357 is a shitload more recoil, report and muzzle blast.
Short barrel 357s are memes for people who don't know shit about guns but think they do.
Oh and 44spl snubs are weak sauce unless you buy the one load that works okay AND it's expensive to practice with. I'd rather have a 38 any day of the week...
he lives outside of cincinatti, if that's how you spell that. He's a delivery guy, i've been trying to get him to buy a gun or a vest for a long time and someone tried to corner him in a parking lot tonight
Go home, dumbfuck. You get considerably more energy out of a snub .357 than a subcompact 9mm, and failure to stop rates are lower than any other extant handgun round for a reason. You're not even worth a Paul Harrell video.
yeah well i'll do it
>rather have a .38
Nothing stopping you from carrying a magnum. .38spl is weaker than 9mm
>youtube.com
You carry .357 because if you have to shoot it you're going to want it to work as fast as possible. You train with .38 so it's easier on your wrist and wallet.
>more energy
Like I said someone who think they know what they're talking about....
Handguns do damage by crushing tissue. That's it. The only factor that energy plays is in assuring the bullet can penetrate deep enough to hit vital structures. Expansion is a bonus. If a 38spl or a 9mm out of a snub can penetrate deep enough to damage critical structures while simultaneously being easier to shoot(less recoil, faster follow up shots) and less punishing(your ears wont bleed in you touch one off indoors and you won't blind yourself with a flashbang). What fucking difference does 300 more ft/sec make? Exactly none.
But please let your noguns friend buy some shit tier $300 .357 he will take to the range exactly once. He won't shoot it for shit but GODDAMN ITS LOAD IF I DON'T HIT EM THEY'LL BE SCARED AS FUCK ANYWAY RIGHT BRO.
>work as fast as possible
These threads always out the know-nothings. I can't tell the difference between the ones who are too stupid to realize how stupid they are and are beyond help and the ones who just have too much ego invested in their supposed knowledge but that aren't really stupid so will probably see the light eventually.
We really do wanna help you make a good decision user but If you already know everything why post here?
>other budget revolvers?
>A FUCKING GLOCK U IDIOT .357 WILL BRUISE UR SHOULDER AND GIVE U PTSD FUCKING NOGUNS
>What fucking difference does 300 more ft/sec make? Exactly none.
>used.
>rock island
ITT niggers and poorfags
You think incapacitation curve isn't a thing? Hunt deer with 9mm and .357 out of a pistol. PWC vs TWC.
It's 2019; go check out the way XD and XP perform at sub 1500fps, resembles rifle wounds
Talk him into the .38 special. There's no reason for a hand cannon. That .38 special at close range will do the job just fine. There are some great loads with heavy bullets travelling slow that will put down any...anyone who wants to mess with your friend.
You can get a used smith for more money than a new windicator, and it's going to be worth it. Most of the revolvers worth getting aren't new.
Show failure rates, make me laugh.
>counting head and torso together
Greg Ellifretard
>um aggregate statistics therefore doing more tissue damage and causing more dramatic bleeding won't take someone down faster
>even ignoring that above 1500fps even fmj begin to cause damage primarily through pressure waves
>.38
>more likely to fail by a measurable quantity
Right.
knowing that virtually none of those .357 shootouts are with full powered ammo, this doesn't mean a lot. it's virtually impossible to get good data on this shit because 9mm != 9mm
At this point you're either trolling or you're too stupid to realize how stupid you are. Either way my work here is done.
>hardware
I'm sure you think it sounds cool but it's just douche chilling.
>knowing that virtually none of those .357 shootouts are with full powered ammo
And communism has never worked because no one has done it right yet. You're a fucking brainlet.
17% chance to fail is around 30% more likely than 13%. That's pretty significant.
You what? The greater operating pressure and lack of a need to cycle an action means that .357 is indeed a lot more variable in loading than 9mm.
go to your local gunstore and look at .357; "defensive" ammo is now underloaded to fall within fbi penetration standards.
quit being a poorbag and save a few hundred more dollars and get a ruger SP-101. can be had for like $400 used, just look around.
EAA guns are shit, ive owned one
>CHECK OUT MY GRAPHS AND CHARTS, TRUTH AND FACTS
>i dont know math tho lol
I'm going to stop giving any of you fuckers (You)s and just let you keep my thread bumped while I wait for someone to give me another budget .357
>budget .357
This combination of words right here outs you as a brainlet know-nothing faggot.
There's one in the OP, you brainlet know-nothing faggot.
the windicator is made of potmetal, they cant sell it in states with melting point laws. Its your hand i guess
That's the .38spl only. It's made of alloy because .38spl has ridiculously low operating pressures relative to .357 magnum.
And you don't know enough to know why the gun in OP is a bad idea. LAWLS MY BAWLS this thread is delivering.
Go back to wherever you came from, whether it's reddit or arg. LAWLS MY BAWLS
>while I wait for someone to give me another budget .357
You're going to be an old man lol
I obviously am totally satisfied with it, since I'm asking for alternatives. Let me guess: you think it's going to blow up because it's a saturday night special because of the price?
Yeah, I know this is probably the best option. I'd think there'd be another option between the $300 hi-point magnum and a $500NIB ruger to look at, at least.
I think poor people can only afford the best because anything cheap usually ends up costing you more in the long run. Poor people are usually poor for a reason. Reasons like being unable to delay gratification and being bad at cost/benefit analysis. Does your friend also patronize rent-to-own stores? Does he play the lottery?
I mean, I could probably get him to spend $450 on a new revolver, but the windicator is all I can find in this range other than single actions also by eaa
Yeah like a $350 NIB S&W 442 .38?
So generalizations then, cool. Thanks, bud.
Not really, since it's inherently less capable than a cheaper gun. Thanks, unsarcastically. It's my fault for even mentioning that I knew the m206 existed when .38spl only was a dealbreaker.
.44? Seriously?
snub nose 38 special is more than adequate. Think about a .44 after having at least owned or at the very least shot a .38/.357
Echoing the used sp101. They're fantastic.
Google .44spl for me
It's the indian not the arrow youngblood. But it's obvious you don't shoot enough to not need the ego boost of MUH ENERGY.
Have a pic of my faggot special. Group on left is 5 shots slow fire, right is 50rds rapid fire at 8ish yards. Please post a pic of your friends(and yours) groups with his new 357 snubby.
Yes, and I stand by what I said.
A 44 special only gun isn't a good first gun due to rarer ammo. 38 special is everywhere and has countless different loads available for every type of shooting you could ever want at a cheaper price.
I want that revolver. I have like 15, but none like that.
I directly implied I don't think he's ever going to shoot it unless he has to, because he's a lazy faggot who can't even set up targets in his back yard to shoot.
>lol itll probably fly out of his hand
I'm sure he'll hold it real tight
>h-h-haha, bet ur a shit shot
>as i group like shit and can't hit center at 8 yards slow fire
Fucking please, good lord. Adjust your fixed sights(you file down the front post on the top and right side) or work on your trigger pull.
I respect you, but he's not a hobby or casual shooter. First paragraph related. The only thing he's concerned about is maximum performance if he has to use it, and he's not worried about shooting at someone further away than mugging distance.
also, it's 2019, we buy ammo online now. he's ordering from underwood.
Get him an LCR in .327fedmag. All the power of .357mag but able to hold 6 rounds. It can also chamber and shoot .32h&r mag (.38sp), 32s&w long, and 32s&w. Plenty of ammo choices make it a very versatile gun.
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Now this is pretty interesting, I didn't know LCR came in .327. Thank you very much for finally giving me some good info, user
>my friend is an idiot who knows nothing about guns, but also refuses to learn new things
but why are people repeatedly attacking this fine man?
>Adjust your fixed sights(you file down the front post on the top and right side) or work on your trigger pull.
hehe omg you put me IN MY PLACE HOW WILL I EVER RECOVER?!?! AAAAAAAH BTFO ETERNALLY
How big is your face? Because those black bulls(lol) are 6" in diameter and if you notice on the right target I can put all five shots as fast as I can pull the trigger right in there. The ones on the right were to test the consistency of the SD rounds. They shoot a little left out of my gun(6 o'clock hold on the white bull) but well within tolerance for a belly gun.
It's $500...ammo is expensive as fuck and hard to get lol. Muh budget!!!
>OH YOU MADE FUN OF MY ABILITY
You're the one who jerked your creds.
>haha i could kill you, fag
I do SASS. If you decide it's time to draw on me, I hope to god you've spent a lot of time practicing your draw, because my draw from surrender is under .4 from impulse. It'll be hard to dump your cylinder after I put 135gr of copper through your dome at 1450fps
You only need one box, and $500 isn't that expensive when you're already talking about $300. He's not a poorfag, he's just not looking to spend more money than he has to on something with no mechanical advantages outside of being more pleasant to shoot.
>hard to get
SAY IT WITH ME SON: INTERNET
Are you a fucking canadian, or a eurofag, or a noguns? Why do you think you have to buy ammo at the local FFL?
OMG it's habbeing you guys. We got a rootin tootin badass shootin cowboy in the house!
>You only need one box
This can't be real life.
>well within tolerance for a belly gun
>Please post a pic of your friends(and yours) groups with his new 357 snubby.
Get an LCR .38 +P and load it with Federal HST .38 +P. You can thank me later.
>SHOW ME UR GROUPS
>ur groups are bad
>I COULD KILL U
>i could probably kill you :\
>WOAH WE GOT A BADASS HERE
You only need one box if you're>never going to shoot it unless he has to, because he's a lazy faggot who can't even set up targets in his back yard to shoot.
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>Federal HST .38 +P
Is this the best .38+p right now?
Dude you got issues. I never said shit about killing you. I was trying to communicate the adequacy of my grouping by comparing the size of the bull to a feature of anatomy you would be familiar with. I'm sorry you think everyone's out to get you in this retarded thread you've created.
Have a pic of an attractive female with a spinboi in her hand as a token of peace.
Those, 130ish grain gold dots and old school 158gr +P LSWCHP are all good performers out of snubs.
Gotcha, bud. Gotcha.
Beautiful gun and nice group. What distance and how fast were you shooting?
A used Ruger Security Six is far more dependable than any RIA or Taurus revolver. They're cheap because they made a bunch of them and they are bomb proof so most still work.
If he shoots the most beat up RSS side by side with a brand new Taurus he'll probably be a lot more confident in the Ruger. Your money just goes a longer way used than new.
There are also a lot of police trade-in S&W model 10s to be had south of $300.
Past that if it's got to be new and under $300, there are many decent pocket automatic pistols to choose from.
> ammo online now
Yes and 44 special is STILL more expensive than 38 special and 38 special STILL has WAY more options for any other type of shooting you want to do.
>but he's not a hobby or casual shooter.
Then why even consider .44 special at all? That's a hobbist round if there ever was one.
>he's not worried about shooting at someone further away than mugging distance.
which is exactly what every single self defense pistol on the market since the 1900 was created for, the vast majority of which aren't .44 special.
>The only thing he's concerned about is maximum performance if he has to use it,
I can't tell if you're overestimating the .44 or underestimating the .38 but you're doing one of those.
Like I said 8ish yards. I've never run a timer because public range that's never empty but all 5 shots are out breddy quick. 2ish seconds maybe? Hard to say. A while back Harrell did a vid about something involving snubs and my cadence is faster than his with better accuracy. I've spent a lot of years working on my DA revolver game though because that's my fetish.
No prob man, hope your friend stays safe. Do keep in mind that none of the calibers that you can feed a .327 are common anymore, so if you need to pick some up at a range or a (God forbid) gas station in the boonies then it's gonna hit your pocket pretty hard, if they have it at all. Shopping online, like via ammoseek, is best but it still won't be inexpensive.
Yes. Arguably. The only problem is that since they’re flat nosed it’s tedious to reload with a speed loader. I keep hst in the gun and critical defense in my speed loader.
I appreciate your input. I'll be giving him this thread to show him that most people agree with me that he should buy used.
Personally, I'm actually looking for a good deal on a Service Six. the Service Six is my favorite mass produced .357, although I don't prefer the Security Six because I don't prefer the objectively better fixed sights.
i use speed strips when i carry revolvers anyways so it shouldn't be too much of a problem
Yeah. I need to pick some of those up. The speed loader I’m using is for a j frame back when I carried one. If I had speed strips I would load them with hst. As far as I know there’s only a couple companies making dedicated lcr speed loaders and they’re not only heavy but gaudy. My setup works for the time being, and I carry my Glock more often.
Did you get that backwards?
Security Six has adjustable sights, Service Six has fixed gutter sights. There is also the Speed Six which is the same action but a snub nose.
Anyway if you can find any of the 3 in budget jump on it. The first revolver and the second handgun I ever bought is my 4" RSS and it made me absolutely fall in love with .357 revolvers. It's a gun you buy once and get buried with. Trigger is really heavy in DA though, but for the price and reliability it can be forgiven.
>Did you get that backwards?
Have you read the thread? He is wrong about pretty much everything and he uses the word objectively more than once.
Yeah, you're right, I thought the service six was the original name, before they added the fixed sights.
>(You)
get 7 round strips so you can go two rounds, skip one, two rounds, skip one, one round. Easy to load two at a time with the space in between.
Can you recommend a brand? I’ve been meaning to order some but I guess I’ve been lazy about it since my current setup works good enough.
Buy a hi-point C45 as a primary carry and and a C380 as a back up gun. That’s 19 rounds of firepower under $300. Belt and suspenders.
Clearly you haven't watched many Paul Harrell videos, since he made one specifically about 9mm, 38, and 357 in snubnoses that showed 9mm was at least on par with 357 or slightly better.