Chengdu J-20

We now know that the export variants of their radars and missiles work well in combat.

We can assume that their own stuff does so as well.

Why should we assume that when historically China has always been behind the curve

Because China nowadays shits on historicism. They are a Superpower now, against all odds and against all naysayers who predicted its crash every year since 40 years ago.

Why should we assume yo know what you’re talking about?

IIRC the first combat kill of the JF-17 was last year against an Iranian drone that strayed into Paki airspace.

So, we knew that for a while. Only shills claimed the contray.

someone was playing red alert generals a lot in china

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QUANTUM

Literally 90% of it was stolen from like 15 year old American secret documents. We made it for them lmao

>Literally 90% of it was stolen from like 15 year old American secret documents
Link?

US cybersecurity is crappy and nigger run confirmed.

Dont know what is more embarrassing.

It's got some fancy thermal masking technology.

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BRRAAAPPP

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are the chinese braphogs?

>bragging about having such shit security that you built 90% of the plane for them
The absolute state of these yanks

>J-20

but that's a J-31 equipped with two RD-93s, same engines that the JF-17 uses currently.

I'd say, these engines have proven their worth if they are good enough to chase down Su-30MKIs.

It's supposed to be heavily derived from a Lockheed test article that was built for a black project flyoff for the US Navy in the mid 90s, for an aircraft RFP that eventually got rolled into the F-35C instead.

That's why the J-20 looks like the love child of an F-22 and the canard-equipped F-23 derivative (pic related) that Northrop proposed in the early 90s for the Naval Advanced Tactical Fighter program (the same requirements that birthed the swing-wing F-22 looking Lockheed that you sometimes see posted.

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Jesus Christ there’s a lot of chinks on here

cope

>I'd say, these engines have proven their worth if they are good enough to chase down Su-30MKIs.
proofs?

Literally talking out of your ass.

Doesn’t make any sense. Amalgating 2 disparate designs is just too much work.
Stop talking out of your ass.

>everything that flies was american tech

i fucking hate posters like this..

Russian airframe.

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are you even joking me? the JF17 is a worthless piece of shit, compared to it the Tejas outperforms it in every way
I think you dont know about LCA Tejas

poo in loo

I am Chinese working abroad. This is false news but a popular one among you whitebois.
J20 is as genuine as it gets.

My point was that the Lockheed design more or less did that already, by combining the Northrop aircraft's planform (because in the early/mid 90s, the USN wanted either swing wings or canards for the air superiority fighter that they ended up never getting) with an F-22 derived fuselage and intake setup because Lockheed was comfortable with the engine/weapons bay layout and thought it to be superior to Northrop's design.

Supposedly both Lockheed and Northrop leaked infodumps to the chinks, and as a result the J-22 ended up being an upsized copy of that secret 90s Lockheed bird built around an F-22 derived fuselage with F-35 derived engine intakes and Russian engines.

You Americans are so stupid. That is not even a J20
as I said, J20 is as genuine Chinese as it gets.
We are not the backward power you think we are.

It's BASED, IMPRESSIVE and REDPILLED unlike dumb smelly russian garbage.

It’s based on the MiG 1.44 that was designed as a counterpart to the F-22, however the Soviet Union fell and the rest is history.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44
The J-20 was also more or less based on this, and the C&C Generals Chinese MiG is the 1.44 itself

Shut up, Chang.

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chabuduo

>airshow demo=combat
Fuck off

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Lockheed servers were raided a few years back.
Hackers stole terabytes of data. Presumably Chinese, I don't know if they have any evidence of it but the design similarities means most people draw this conclusion.

LCA sucks cock. go shit in a street, shitter.

planeform is literally the easiest of the significant areas of development for 5th gens. Even if what you propose actually happened, (which it clearly didn't, since you don't just melt two designs into one. Even material choice is impacted), it really doesn't detract much from the Chinese.

>The J-20 was also more or less based on this
you're full of shit.

>but the design similarities means most people draw this conclusion.
What people see is aerodynamics. Most visible but easiest thing to do for 5 gen. Bigger factor at play here is evolutionary convergence, not spying. It's the stuff you DON'T see that truly defines 5 gen.

Seems substantially inferior to western counterparts. While RCS, ITR, STR, RoC, MAW performance, datalink performance, and acceleration are unknown, we do know

-Its T:W is extremely typical (~1)

-Its radar is inferior to western counterparts if Pakistani specs from the J-17 are to be believed (110 km against a 3m^3 target vs 525 for AN/APG-77(v)1(

-IRST claims a range of 110 km for fighters, which is inferior to American and Europeans systems(But not by that much, ~40 km)

-Armament offers far shorter range and seems likely to lack two-way data link if based on R-77 series

It's fairly hard to evaluate based on how little data is available, but it does seem like Chinese fighters are still inferior to their American counterparts (Though it does seem likely to be superior to Russian fighters and Eurocanards).

Should add that basically everything we know about it is from Pakistani exports of its radar and engine, Chinese claims at a technology show, and Russian exports of the R-77, so everything is extremely speculative.

>Its radar is inferior to western counterparts if Pakistani specs from the J-17 are to be believed
are you retarded or do you actually believe KLJ-7A is the same radar as the one put in the J20? Oh wait, that's asking the same thing. You're retarded.
>Armament offers far shorter range and seems likely to lack two-way data link if based on R-77 series
talking out of your ass

you are right it must be based on american tech right?
afterall even the concorde was based on american tech right?
infact everyone steals from you

if you think the Mig 1.44, which was designed for PLASMA STEALTH, got turned into the J-20, you're a retard.

it has far more similiariaties with the j20 than any other american bullshit you gonna try to sell

wtf are you saying? I never said the J-20 is based on a significant amount of American planeform designs. This is me: , you're just as retarded thinking SHAPE is the determining factor in a 5 gen design.

shape is a FACTOR since 4 gen and it will be a factor if you want to be stealthy in any way shape or form

offtopic
the amount of bullshit on this board is immense you just dont even know who is who anymore here

I'm sure there's no stolen tech in it at all.

I don't like this plane
It's aesthetics are off & unimpressive.
Into the garbage it goes

this is actually impressive, I have never seen a retard type out such a concise post before

>it will be a factor if you want to be stealthy in any way shape or form
which brings it back to my original point: F-22 is not a canard delta and the MiG1.44 was slated for plasma stealth and it was clear from the prototypes that it did not have significant passive signature reduction features (since we both know the Russians didn't have the computational capacity to develop it). There is very little concrete linkage between the J20 and any other 5th gen fighter, in service or not.

90% of them are euros posing

>What are Jow Forums's thoughts on the J-20 and the PLAAF in general?

Looks nice on the surface like most of their gear but thats about it.

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looks like shit in normal RAM coating. looks good in jet black.

Are you that guy claiming the J 20 was copied from the F 35

>supposedly
The J 20 airframe is based on the Mig 1.44, a prototype Soviet design that had one or two prototype airframes. It's wing is clearly different from the proposed F 23.

What are you arguing? There was literally a huge amount of butthurt from the Russians in the early 2000’s over this.

Ching chong lmao

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I'm simply stating the fact that if you believe you can redesign something like the 1.44 into the J-20, you might as well shoot yourself right now because that is simply asinine.

>The J 20 airframe is based on the Mig 1.44,
Talking out of your ass again.

There aren't a lot of J-20s and [pic related] aircraft is still the most common in the PLAAF.

I just want to see if China makes a naval version for future PLAN carriers.

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>and [pic related] aircraft is still the most common in the PLAAF.
Red Herring. Post the updated and full PLAAF and PLANAF orbat.

Implying chinese can ever come up with an original idea in the present days.

Implying you know what the fuck you're talking about.

Probably pretty decent. It better be considering they stole(or were handed) most the tech from the US and EU to modernize their entire military.

>We decided to put shitty radar in our other planes on purpose so our new one can be special!

I think someone might be retarded here, but it's not me.

Samefag

Shitposting aside, it looks to me that the general idea of the fuselage was taken from the MiG, maybe even possibly the engines as well, could be a more advanced derivative.
Avionics and whatever tech stuff it has inside should be brand new though.
I’m guesing it would be a no brainer for the Chinese to buy the Russian data from MiG, after all you have to start somewhere, and previous experience could be really useful.

a joke compared to the USAF, JSDFAF, RAF and Luftwaffe

you really are fucking retarded. You're comparing a traditional mechanical scan radar with the fucking AESA in the F-22. You realize that one goes into the radome of a small light weight fighter, the other goes into the F-22's massive nose, right?

Holy shit, why did your mom not abort you?

>you know writing confidently about shit you don't know is shitposting also, right?
>> it looks to me that the general idea of the fuselage was taken from the MiG
>Not even close. 1.44 has underbelly intakes. And let's not forget the fact that the Russians were not capable of optimizing for LO due to the lack of computational capacity. When you run your broadband spectrum return optimization on your fucking supercomputer and then build the airframe, you're not really carrying over all that much.
>>maybe even possibly the engines as well
>Engines are WS-10B and are slated to be replaced by WS-15. WS-10B's core can trace itself back to CFM-56.
>>Avionics and whatever tech stuff it has inside should be brand new though.
>Which is, you know, what makes a gen 5 a gen 5.
>>I’m guesing it would be a no brainer for the Chinese to buy the Russian data from MiG, after all you have to start somewhere, and previous experience could be really useful.
>That would make sense if the Russians had, you know, something to steal. Let's break down the "defining" attributes of 5th gen. LO, LPI, Supercruise, and Sensor Fusion/Network centric X
>Russians can offer supercruise since their turbofan technology is/was ahead of the Chinese, but Chinese indigenous turbofan tech got its start from the CFM-56. Russia's LSI and semiconductor industries are far, far behind Chinas, so there isn't much to steal for LO and LPI. Same came be said for sensor fusion and NCW.
>The best nation to steal from is OBVIOUSLY the US.

>JSDFAF, Luftwaffe
it's JASDF.
And you're retarded.

>Thinking KLJ-7(v)2 is mechanically scanned
Kill yourself.

What the fuck are you quoting from? It's not my post.

>KLJ-7(v)2
No such thing, retard.
It's the KLJ-7A. And where is your source?

STFU faggot.

you know writing confidently about shit you don't know is shitposting also, right?
> it looks to me that the general idea of the fuselage was taken from the MiG
Not even close. 1.44 has underbelly intakes. And let's not forget the fact that the Russians were not capable of optimizing for LO due to the lack of computational capacity. When you run your broadband spectrum return optimization on your fucking supercomputer and then build the airframe, you're not really carrying over all that much.
>maybe even possibly the engines as well
Engines are WS-10B and are slated to be replaced by WS-15. WS-10B's core can trace itself back to CFM-56.
>Avionics and whatever tech stuff it has inside should be brand new though.
Which is, you know, what makes a gen 5 a gen 5.
>I’m guesing it would be a no brainer for the Chinese to buy the Russian data from MiG, after all you have to start somewhere, and previous experience could be really useful.
That would make sense if the Russians had, you know, something to steal. Let's break down the "defining" attributes of 5th gen. LO, LPI, Supercruise, and Sensor Fusion/Network centric X
Russians can offer supercruise since their turbofan technology is/was ahead of the Chinese, but Chinese indigenous turbofan tech got its start from the CFM-56. Russia's LSI and semiconductor industries are far, far behind Chinas, so there isn't much to steal for LO and LPI. Same came be said for sensor fusion and NCW.
The best nation to steal from is OBVIOUSLY the US.

This must be fake as everyone knows chinks can't drive due to their inferior visual acuity. :-/

>leaving your server than contain sensitive data open on internet services
dumb fucks, they deserved it

Meh, it'll not stop the innevitable uprising of their people when they shrug off that yoke called police state. Chinese have a deeply ingrained inferiority complex which drives them to extreme lengths. They can't even take over Taiwan.

Dumping my J-20 and related collection
(2015)

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It's a safe bet.

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what is this?

The mig is an unironically aesthetic looking plane and im not even a boomer

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>Engines are WS-10B and are slated to be replaced by WS-15. WS-10B's core can trace itself back to CFM-56.

No, they're still using russian engines, and that won't change anytime soon. The chinese did indeed buy CFM-56, which date back to the 70's, and reverse engineered the core with the goal of building military turbofan engines for fighters from it (designs derived from the CFM56 core can be found in western fighters, too).
But after over 20 years of development, the chinese recently abandoned the entire project, because the engines they came up with simply do not work. They're too heavy, they use too much fuel, and they are horribly unreliable.
They basically have to start over. They haven't yet learned how to make high performance military engines, so the handmedowns from russia (still very much 70's and 80's tech) is superior than anything china can make in 2019.

>Russians can offer supercruise since their turbofan technology is/was ahead of the Chinese

Everyone is ahead of the chinese. Even the snecma M88 in the french rafale with mediocre TWR is superior to chink tech.

>The best nation to steal from is OBVIOUSLY the US.

Chinks would grab anything they can. EJ200 is on par with F119 and F135 in terms of technology and performance, too.
The french are a bit behind the curve, so are the russians. Russians have a program with the AL-41F which is on-track to match EJ200 and F119/F135 which are the current top notch engines.

Nobody else has the tech to build top notch engines.

The J-20A “EODAS” system, looks for missile launches / heat sigs in all directions. Not as powerful as a dedicated IRST sensor, but good enough for a warning.

>General consensus is that it is pretty impressive.

LMAO. Since fucking when?

Fuck outta here Ching. Take you new deposited Yuan and leave. Faggot

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