Jingoism and shit posting aside what is the verdict on the SU-57?

As if endless stream of Kremlin shillbots spewing mosr blatant lies was better.

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we should just rangeban all countries with less than 5 aircraft carriers and the board quality will increase by orders of magnitude

>If it was worth something then maybe Russians would buy it in quantity
>Implying Russians can buy anything worth something in quantity.

probably would get shot down by a jf17

>the size and orders

in what universe a firs batch of order is any criteria as to how exactly good the plane will be when it enters on service?

>bans anyone with higher iq that us
>board will become better

if by better you mean lowkey reddit then yes

When you cut early production from about 150 down to 12 maybe?

not this shit again
there isnt "early production" of any shit
the plane isnt in any sort of production untill 2020
the only aircrafts that are currently flying are all testbeds
plus i think you dont understand the concept of batch procurement user

>Jingoism and shit posting aside what is the verdict on the SU-57?
It's classified as fuck. Seriously - we know shit about it. We can assume that math apparatus and digital models of EM waves interactions are much more advanced than they used to be when F-22 was in development. We do know that Russians do have EM-absorbing materials of their own.

>implying that Suchoi is not a part of a state capitalist economy and actually works under the rules of a free market.

They have 2 on order this year. They are building them in small amounts.

There were supposed to be a much larger amount of them produced now, but they completely cut down on those orders. That's the point.

russia never EVER has ordered anything on bulk like usa does
literally never not even when ussr was a thing
so please can we continue from this shit?

plus the order is for the ones with the old engines just to get certification and some other bullshit i cant remember

Even India dropped out lmao. Good luck building more than 20 lelele

>russia never orders aircraft in bulk
imagine being this retarded

>be Slav
>want to hear praise for new Russkie jet
>refer to any dissenting opinion as jingoism and shitposting
Sounds about right.

>Commits to spout jingoist jargon instead of specifying as to why said aircraft.
Good one asshole.

>said aircraft is bad

imagine talking shit with a single proof

Flatplate, for aerodynamics puns

It looks cool

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>It's classified as fuck.
I would take the moscow posters serious, but they won't shut up how awesome are long wave radars built in Pakfail wingspan, so...

>be mutt
>be upset people dislike his inability to produce a coherent argument instead of jingoistic shitposting

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Sources familiar say SU57 "Ur Mum"

> be russiaboo
> keep producing the same fucking thread equivalent to “do I look fat in this?” and act surprised and angry when people say yes.
Holy insecurity, Vlad

India backed out, that’s all you need to know.

The Russian Air aforce had to make a decision over the last few years:
>produce 50-100 Su57s with tons of kinks and cost overruns, updating s limited number of squadrons
>or produce 200+ Su30SMs and update a majority of squadrons with multi-role airframes
Russians chose the latter.

>>produce 50-100 Su57s with tons of kinks and cost overruns, updating s limited number of squadrons
>>or produce 200+ Su30SMs and update a majority of squadrons with multi-role airframes
Su-30SM is build on a different factory. Su-57 is build in Komsomolsk-na-Amure. On a same factory (and very probably using same equipment) that makes Su-35 and Su-30MK2. Su-30SM is build in Irkutsk by the Irkut factory. They also make Su-30MK and Yak-130. Right now it's very probable that question is not exactly in money, but in production lines. If they begin to make Su-57, they probably have to stop production of Su-35, e.t.c. To build a separate production line for Su-57 could be very expensive.

Its a matter of limited funds rather than line usage.

It might not be stealth but it might still be a damn good fighter

>literally never
>not even when ussr was a thing

Are you crazy ?

1600 Mig-29 were built between 1982 and 2013
That's an average of 30 aircrafts per year and as many as the USA's F-18, which is about the same period.

It's just Russia that doesn't produce much of anything in large quantity because whatever tech they come up with is already outdated by the time it's ready for mass production.

looks really nice except for the engines

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It's ''stealth'', but probably not as ''stealth'' as F-35 or F-22. Probably, more like most certainly.
But I guess that's good enough for Russians.

The majority of those were built before/during the Fall, no?

Newer versions have less apparent engines.

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Any bit of return reduction helps, and a lack of 22-tier stealth doesnt necessarily make an airframe shit.
What makes a combat airframe shit is, more often than not, weapons and weapons employment (radar, passive detection, missiles etc)

Yep, hence the "not even when ussr was a thing" being crazy :
They built most of those in less than a decade, which means even faster than the USA.

From the early days of the USSR to the birth of modern Russia, the USSR did nearly everything in large scale, always pushing for very quick production in as large a volume as possible, deciding that hammering the kinks later and having a large army now was more important than having the perfect army "latter".

They were right, mind you :
To have the perfect weapon sitting on the drawing board or produced in a few dozen models only, it's useless if you need to use it tomorrow.

Better have a model that is "good enough" in high enough quantity, even if it's imperfect.

This isn't a critic of today's Russia, though :
Their problem isn't production capacity.
It's funds. They cannot afford to pay for weapons in the volumes they used to so yeah, they HAVE to scale down their projects.

>They were right
They were. But not anymore.
They HAVE to scale down because they can't afford to funnel money into defence like they used to. It made sense back in the day but now people won't go with it easily.

I think Su-57 is a great fifth generation platform, also, I like the idea Su-57/S-70 team.

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what part of orders you did not understand?

It's dumb you drunk fuck slavs copied the F-23 but forgot to make it stealthy. Even the Chinese who are notorious for making trash absolutely BTFO'd you by mass-producing a real 5th gen that's better by a mile before you

This. Not sure why we even allow all those poorfag arabs to post here in the first place. They don't even have guns

Guys. guys stop it.

As much as I love making Russians and their subhuman europoor sycophants cry by bashing Russian trash, you guys really need to suspend the shitposting for a minute and realize that Russian procurement style is different from ours in one key aspect; Russians perform R&D and initial deployment simultaneously, whereas we prefer to wait for a finalized product from the manufacturter before placing a single large batch order. So that "they only ordered 3 hue hue hue" meme comes from a place of complete ignorance about Soviet/Russian MIC practices.

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Best Strikers

>Higher iq
>That us
Lol

You've got to acknowledge that most post-Soviet Russian projects never reach what the West would consider serial production, despite spending years or decades in expensive R&D.

Dismissing the SU-57 as another failed Russian wonder weapon that will never be built in meaningful numbers is fair at this point.

It's basically a remodeled Flanker to make it more stealthy. You see so many people on here saying "they should just make a stealthy F-15" or "they should make a stealthy tomcat", and the Su-57 is basically following the same mindset but with the Su-27.
>hurr it's bad cuz russians wont buy it durr
Russia has a lower GDP than Spain, so arguing that the plane is bad because the Russians can't afford it is like saying the F-35 is bad because Spain hasn't bought any.

>When is it getting the official NATO designation?

Prototypes do not get official NATO designations.

Why is chink plane so heavy and slow?

Man the SU-57 is a big guy

TAKE THE SUUUUUU
TO THE LOOOOOOO

There is a stealthy F-15

F-15SE real
and the fictional JASDF F-15 Kai

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It's so shit that even the poos didn't want it and Russia only wants to build 12 until 2030.

I think that tells you everything you need to know.

The Su-47 did

Simpler solution: Just add countryflags. However, there are only two flags - hasguns and noguns.

It's ok for it's intended purposes. Or atleast that's what I get. Many people try to judge it using the 'English System' when Russia developed it using the 'Metric System'. That's why it looks odd to others.

This.

Su-57 does not exist. Yet.

All current planes are designated as T-50.

The Dark Lord has spoken

F-35 is a little cutie

For SU

Su-57 = approx. state of the art high end (heavy) multi-role combat aircraft

It may have sacrificed some Ka/X-band radar stealth in its production version, but integration of tail radar and two DIRCM into the design are huge advantages.
It's a kind of compromise between F-35A and F-22.

First and foremost, I would not call it a fighter, rather a multirole small bomber.
It's huge compared to other air superiority fighters and even those aren't small to begin with.

nah i bet that paint will still bake off
thats how those russian jets get their signature look anyway

Well if Spain was to finance the whole F-35 R&D, don't you think they would've cut down on those costs too? If Russia is struggling for money that is also going to limit the Su-57 R&D cost and therefore the quality of the aircraft.

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>India backed out, that’s all you need to know.
India is rife with corruption, it's why their air fleet is a logistics nightmare.

india backed out of their own program because of no tech transfer

they said later that they will buy a few of them after 2020

>waiting on the engines for longer than the shit-35 has been in development

ffs

They are finished any second now, like for 5 years or so.

India backed out also because insufficient avionics, engines and stealth characteristics.
If the plane was hot shit, they could probably see past the tech transfer, just like the 36 Rafales they bought.
Turns out the PAK-FA was just regular shit.

sure they did afterall its known that you shit on a plane that you admit you gonna buy later on

where did i saw that move again?
was it with the rafale?
was is with the super viper?
ohh gee i see pattern here

1.7 lol, China need to up their game

Wiki says 2.5+, but I ain't sure if they should be trusted

It is literally Pajeet trying to extort Vatniks.

The F-35, which US and its allies in Asia have been hoping would counter Chinese air supremacy in the region, has already fallen into the hands of the Chinese. They have all of its secrets

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Yeah it's going to leak fast even faster if Malaysia ends up buying it literally China MK II despite bongs genociding them

Its a sexy bitch, shame the turbines are visible from the front

What's this about India being on board again? Was there an announcement? I remember that russia told India that they where still allowed back on board when things heated up with Pakistan but I don't remember if India answered or not.

>February 26/19: Su-57 to India Russia is ready to discuss deliveries external link of Sukhoi Su-57 fifth-generation fighter jets to India. The Su-57 is stealth, single-seat, twin-engine, multirole, jet fighter designed to destroy all types of air targets at long and short distances and hit enemy ground and naval targets, overcoming its air defense capabilities. It combines the functions of an attack plane and a fighter jet. The use of composite materials and innovation technologies and the fighter’s aerodynamic configuration ensure the low level of radar and infrared signature. While India displays interest in the Su-57, Russian company Rostec wants the Indian Air Force to determine how much the plane fits into their general concept and what they want to focus on.
>defenseindustrydaily.com/india-russia-in-negotiations-re-nextgeneration-fighter-03133/

Sorry but I'm an American, I don't register my guns

what happened is india dropped their version of the plane because russia wouldnt transfer the tech that fpga whatever the program was called anyway
pajeets proceeds to shit on the plane
then few weeks later they said they will ditch their program and buy the su 57

Janes links to TASS. which is a russian news outlet, who only cites russian officials.
Where is the Indian confirmation?

probably because its talking about the 2019 news
vietnam will be the first export of the plane as it all seems
but the last "india will buy su 57" dates back to early 2018
eurasiantimes.com/vietnam-to-become-1st-country-to-get-russian-su-57-5th-fighter-jets/

> Dat manlet F-35
> Internal fuel is just 30% of the weight
> Hurr I don't need to fly for more than 30 minutes to take out my enemy because I have BVRAAM

>probably because its talking about the 2019 news
Is there older news that India is back on board.

>SU-57 Service Entry
>2019

kek. Good one, laddy.

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Do tell us which one of the other aircraft can STOVL, because the F-35B sure can. Also the F-35A carries almost 64% of its weight in fuel, which is higher than any aircraft here.

Reports say the poos backed out mainly because the russians wanted them to pay for half of the growing development cost (~ $12 billion), when they wanted to pay ~$6b at the very most.
Also they apparently weren't very satisfied with the stealth at that price point (reportedly 0.5m2 RCS compared to 0.001 for f-35 and 0.0001 for f-22)

There is no way they are going to buy 500 of these things, or 200, or maybe even 50. In fact i suspect the reason the price for India ballooned is because the russian govt cut future orders and probably development funding too, forcing sukhoi to go to the indians and beg them to make up the cost. They balked and backed out, cutting the orders in half, which doubled the unit cost. The russian govt saw the new unit cost and cut down the orders even more.
Classic death spiral.

Now the jet costs upwards of $100m, no export customers will ever buy it, and sukhoi/saturn apparently don't even have the money to finish development of its engine before 2020 at least.

It's fucked.

no india IS NOT back on the board
india in fact was NEVER on board in the first place till the russians gave them full tech transfer
i dont know why people think india was on the program in the first place

How the hell is vietnam going to pay $2 billion+?
Their entire military budget is somewhere around $4-5 billion.
For reference, they currently operate: 35 Su-22s, 11 Su-27s, and 35 Su-30s. That's it.

probably by giving incentives like a base or two
otherwise i cant see it either