Have any of you Jow Forumsommandos ever bent shot?

That’s Jaquante to you, homie

That's Le'4che, to you, nigga

I got shot through my hand longways and didn't feel a thing for an hour, when the doctors started cleaning and disinfecting it.

Then it felt like sharp pain (like a cut) and dull throbbing hell from the inside out. Through and through, no major damage done.

Throbbed a bit for a few weeks after, and that was about it.

Was it like a big gash across your palm, or did it go through all the bones and shit?

With everything else going on, it hurt like a motherfucker but also felt like it happened to someone else. I remember thinking, "Holy shit that's painful. Glad I'm not that guy." It took a few hours for it to actually sink in I'd been shot. I kept trying to get up and return to duty because, y'know, some poor bastard had been shot and was in a whole lot of pain, and we needed to patch the line. Even years later I can't really remember it as an event that happened to me, personally. It's still like something I saw in a movie or game or something.

Road rash was a lot worse. 22lr in left buttock. We weren't allowed to play army anymore.

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In Iraq?

>took a 5.45 through the left forearm in Iraq
Left a caliber-sized hole, stang like hell but didn't bleed much. Honestly felt like a really bad cigarette burn. Entry wound now looks like a chickenpox scar, exit wound is smaller than a dime and a little puckered. Very glad it didn't break either bone. Doc said it kinda skipped off the radius. They literally just irrigated it, bandaged it, and let it heal on its own, then 4 months later I had a revision of the exit wound scar so it wasn't as nasty looking.

Then 2 years later:
>took a 7.62x54r through the gut, also in Iraq
Went just under my plate, centerline about an inch over my belly button. Exited the top of my right asscheek. I never felt it and kept going until someone realized I had blood pouring down the back of my right leg, at which point I freaked out and passed out. I think it was an AP round since it didn't do nearly as much as a fullsize rifle round should have. That one took a couple surgeries to fix and I lost over a foot of small intestine, and my right leg is nowhere near as strong as my left now because it fucked up a bunch of the hip flexor muscles. Now have a fun scar from right at my xipoid process to the top of my dick that's about an inch wide, and a nasty puckered scar about the size of a half-dollar on the top curve of my ass.

Nobody's really sure if it's related or not but about 4 months after getting out of Walter Reed my pancreas just up and died on me. I'm rated as having Gulf War syndrome so it could have been at least partially that GSW, but could also have been the 18 gorillion toxic chemicals and chemical weapons I was exposed to over a 10-year-long career.

Holy fuck dude

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Jesus user. Glad you're still with us. Thank you for your service.

>chemical weapons I was exposed to over a 10-year-long career.
this is why i never joined up. Let me guess some of that was fo you working around it right?

I got hit by 7.62x39 in the plate in Afghanistan. Didn't go through. Felt like getting hit by a sledge hammer.

Damn man. Lucky.

I was an 89B, ammunition specialist. My second deployment had me co-opting with the Iraqi Army going around to all of Saddam's old weapons stores and destroying all the chemical weapons left over from the Iran-Iraq war. At least as far as I'm aware I was never around any chemical weapons actually fired in anger.

They were in terrible shape, leaking all over the goddamn place. Old concrete bunkers scattered all the fuck over Iraq, we were working everywhere from downtown Mosul to literally the middle of a dune in the middle of nowhere 30 miles east of Rutba, to the Green Zone around Baghdad. Some of them we had to literally dig the bunker out of the sand with a backhoe, others were built into or under civilian housing, yet others were just chilling in the middle of a city behind some chain link fence. 80% mustard gas, 19% tabun gas, 1% sarin gas, in the first 3 months we destroyed over 1000 tons of chemical artillery shells. I got ONE mopp suit, which is only rated for 24 hours of use, and I used it continuously for >100 days (and would have used it for the entire deployment if I hadn't gotten fucking shot a third of the way through).

In the process we had 1 US soldier get a good lungful of probably-tabun gas but were able to keep him alive thanks to fast medevac and a fuckload of atropine kits onhand (he will be in a nursing home the rest of his life due to permanent systemic nerve damage) and 3 IAs that just fucking died because "lol what's MOPP" and they were digging around these sometimes-flooded, always-moldy bunkers with visually leaking rusty chemical weapons in fucking shorts and flipflops because it was hot as fuck with no ventilation. Some of the bunkers were so heavily contaminated we had to get the engineers in to just pour a concrete cap over the whole fucking bunker, they were that unsafe to even open.

When I was little we always played with 22 long guns. We also played soldiers during recess with our Sears rifles. Getting shot was no big deal since it was a little bullet, bounced right off most of the time. A little sting never hurt nobody. A few times it broke skin but that was because we were playing naked. This was a long time ago, when you could still bring your Stevens into the classroom loaded in case a bear attacked during the lesson. A few times my gun went off while I was playing with the trigger under the table and the teacher spanked me and stuck the barrel of the gun right up my tushy. It was very embarrassing to have that on display for everyone. Eventually I graduated and joined the army. Never got shot there, but my buddy got a '62 right in the face. He told me it just stung a lot, just like when we were playing soldiers naked in the swamp.

When was all this?

This OP. When you stick your cock in it, it feels like bags of sand. Weird how gunshot wounds work like that.

The first IA we lost went like this:
>roll convoy up to bunker
>set up perimeter security
>get terp to confirm we're in the right spot (the IAs wouldn't let us hold the map, it was "sensitive info")
>some IA private gets out of his truck and walks up to the door
>"hmm, seems to be in good shape"
>cuts lock off with bolt cutters (Iraqis aren't big on physical security, it was a regular fucking padlock)
>oh no no no NO NO STOP NO
>throws door all the fucking way open
>every US vehicle immediately floors it and GTFO
>binoculars.exe
>poor IA private writhing on ground in front of door
>nobody has mopp suits on yet, takes ~5 minutes to get the remaining IAs to suit up
>guy's not moving any more by the time they get up to him
>hedead.jpg

Total task force losses: 5 US servicemembers injured from chemical munitions. 2 US servicemembers dead from accidents (1 cave-in, 1 rollover). 4 US servicemembers injured from hostile fire, 1 of which from green-on-blue. 3 IA dead from chemical munitions, 7 IA injured from chemical munitions, 4 IA dead from accidents (all 4 from the same cave-in that killed the US guy), 2 IA injured from hostile fire.

Spring and summer 2006

>shieeeet i dont wanna go jail
>better shoot that cop

fucking hell

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Bull shit

dont know whether youre unlucky or lucky, either way good job not dying, keep it up.

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Damn gramps you really did walk to school barefoot uphill and in the snow.

I know it might be hard for a new age kid like yourself to know about the good old days, but that's how it was. It was nice back when you could roll into high school with your duster and a double barrel and not get the cops called on you. I met my wife there, and she thought I looked handsome with my guns. That's why when I asked her to the prom, she immediately said yes'm. I carried my daddy's Derringer that night for protection.

jesus christ sounds like you had fun

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I got shot in Afghanistan. I didn't even feel it at first, had to be told I was bleeding. Then all I remember is feeling the warmth of my blood. The tourniquet hurt like Hell.

Fast forward ten years and I have constant pain from nerve damage and walk with a cane.

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>i am from a third world shithole

Which one?

Even without getting shot, it was hands-down the absolute worst time of my life.
>10 hours a day in MOPP 4 in >90F weather
>no work-rest cycle according to heat cat because we were in hostile territory with no significant security element
>literally everything we touched would absolutely kill the fuck out of you if you did even the smallest thing not-quite-perfect
>worked, ate, and slept with the Iraqi Army (IE we slept in our trucks with someone in the turret at night because we didn't trust them to not kill us in our sleep and ate MREs as fast as we could shovel them down)
>no mid-tour leave because we were already criminally understaffed for the mission and operating both independently and well away from any major FOB
I didn't see an actual toilet or shower from the time I left FOB Marez at the start of the mission until the time I woke up in a hospital in Kuwait, I bathed with bottled water and baby wipes and shit on the ground/in a wag bag. The few times I got actual, real food was when someone killed a wild animal and we cooked and ate it because we didn't trust the local food to not be toxic (the IAs were constantly getting sick/food poisoning).

About the only thing that went right is we got resupplied regularly via either convoy or helicopter, so at least we never ran low on MREs, bottled water, or ammo.

As I've been told by people I knew in the army

>ak round to the plate
Sledgehammer hitting you. Your entire chest just feels crushed. All the wind knocked out and you have to remember to breath. Which is going to hurt for a while. Huge black bruise on your chest

>unknown rifle caliber to the leg
Like a baseball bat hitting you. Then intense burning sensation, as if your leg was on fire. Followed by general intense pain, cold, weakness, and a draining sensation.

>>ak round to the plate
>Sledgehammer hitting you. Your entire chest just feels crushed

Yeah nah. Even point-blank the bullet transfers less energy to you than it did to the shooter, and that energy is spread out over a much much larger surface area. Much beyond 50m and the energy starts to drop off significantly as well as the bullet slows down.

Go try it yourself: Go put the buttstock of an AK against your chest and pull the trigger. Not super pleasant but not really painful either, certainly doesn't make you feel "crushed" or that you "need to remember to breathe".
>b-but the rifle soaks recoil!
An AK weighs, what, 8lbs? An ESAPI weighs 6.

Damn that sucks man

you know people always say shit like this but it just doesn't add up to me

like at all

for one, you're comparing the surface area of a buttstock to a 7.62 slug. Then there's the matter of all the energy of a bullet going off being transferred throughout the entire firearm, versus the minute spot that is getting hit on a plate. Sure the energy is dissipated throughout the plate too, but again it's all the energy of a bullet being dissipated after dumping the majority of the energy onto a small spot, and then throughout the plate.

Like this newtonian law meme is all well and good but I'm also 100% it doesn't tell the full story of ballistic interaction.

took a hit in the plate on 2 occasions. 1st time I heard it/felt it. 2nd time I didn't even know it until we were back at the FOB and someone noticed the back of my pc had a hole.

>body armor is the shit
>literally saved my life, twice

Jesus Christ how common was it for units in Iraq to be as severely understaffed as the one you served in?

Basically you feel nothing until you do. When you do feel it fucking sucks

>you're comparing the surface area of a buttstock to a 7.62 slug
No you illiterate nigger I'm comparing the surface area of a buttstock to the surface area of a hard trauma plate, specifically the roughly 10x12 ESAPI.

You clearly never even took highschool fucking physics.

If they weren't an admin unit they were understaffed. Basically if they ever left the perimeter of a mega-FOB they were down 20-30% from where they needed to be and 10-15% from what their MTOE said they were supposed to have.

So, extremely fucking common.

>saved your life
and what have you done with it?

Continue to waste his time with fellow degenerates like us

My task force was 34 dudes, we worked with a fluctuating force of IAs that ranged from 10-80, and occasionally got a section of engineers (16 dudes) attached for particularly difficult or big bunkers.

We were expected to clear 1 bunker per day across the entire deployment (360 bunkers in 365 days). A big bunker would take 50 people 14 hours to empty (the biggest bunker we emptied had 13,000 separate munitions in it, the task force averaged 4000 munitions per bunker across the whole deployment), then another 3-20 hours to destroy the contents of depending on how far we had to drive to find an open-enough patch of desert to demo+bury+cap. At the end of the deployment the task force had cleared, demolished, or capped-in-place 194 bunkers. The commander and SNCO of the task force were officially reprimanded for failing to meet their goal despite the understaffing, casualties that were never replaced, and incredibly overzealous goal cooked up by some pencil-pusher that had never been within 1000km of a chemical weapon.
>I did get an enemy marksmanship award and bronze star+V out of it, not that it matters as they ended up medically retiring me

and it seems like you only took highschool physics tbqh

what makes you think the transfer of energy between a firearm to a person is so simply comparable to the transfer of energy from a speeding bullet to a person through a trauma plate

the energy of the combustion reaction is being transferred throughout the entire firearm, some of which happens to go through the buttstock, into a person, and then into the ground. Meanwhile the impact of a bullet is centered in a very small area and is dissipated in a much more centralized location, throughout the plate, but also INTO the person on the other side of the plate. If you want an idea of why these two things cannot be compared, look at what happens to a person's shoulder after they fire ~10 shots of a rifle. Then look at the backface deformation of a plate and how it holds up after ~10 shots from a rifle. Hell you can look at what happens to a shoulder after getting hit by a buttstock and a shoulder after getting hit by a bullet. The transfer of energy that occurs between the mechanical reaction of a firearm operating and getting hit by a bullet are not comparable because shit is literally just different.

lol

youtube.com/watch?v=rC75MS9UwN0
>hurr sledgehammer
>durr fight to breathe

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Well i was taking this picture..

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well disregarding that that person doesn't say anything about their subjective experience or how it felt, what makes you think posting a video from somebody's facebook is at all convincing

took a .22 lr to my thigh due to some retard's negligent discharge at the range. when you feel it the thing burns like a bitch.

There is something so sexy seeing a bullet in the chamber.

Because if it felt like "you got hit in the chest with a sledgehammer" and were "fighting to breathe" then he wouldn't still be calmly standing there. He'd be grimacing, or doubled over, or freaking out, or something.

And it's a fuckload more evidence than you've provided so far besides "muh feelings say this ain't right, boolits be powaful n sheeit" while having no grasp of kinetic energy or energy transfer.

now allow me to counter with actual substantive sources

quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-get-shot-in-the-torso-with-a-bulletproof-vest-on

>That being said, I can tell you without hesitation, getting shot wearing body armor hurts. A LOT!! It can kill you or do serious internal injury. The police officers and security officers I’ve cared for (who have initially survived the impact) described the impact as “getting hit with a baseball ball at full force,” or “someone hit me with a sledge hammer.” It breaks ribs, collapses lungs, causes heart muscle damage and serious internal injuries to abdominal organs and great vessels (vena cava, aorta).

wow sounds a lot like the person is describing fits what was said earlier in the thread

taking HS physics doesn't mean you're a mechanical engineer my guy

or a combat vet who took a round to the plate

oversimplification memes need to end

Watch this video. Educate yourself. The only time getting hit with armor will really hurt you is with soft vests.

youtu.be/o5f1Fo4r4_I

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>soft armor dissipating the same as a rifle plate

That's a description of soft armor, tard.

I got shot in the gut with a 22. *Retard with a gun*
Didn't feel shit at first just kind of panicked. Then it started to have middle of aching and sharp pain all through my torso. I also got a super bad knot in my stomach. Luckily I had a decent jacket on so it just left a scar

2nd world shithole here, got shot in my thigh back in the 90s.
Mandatory shooting practice with pistols, the officers in charge wanted to get it over with quickly, so they put us in columns, soldiers and officers mixed up, with one row firing while others were prepping for their turn. Officer Pencilpusher Fuckhead that probably last handled a gun half a year ago at the previous mandatory shooting exam was fiddling with his pistol and I got 7.62 Tokarev in my thigh at point blank range. Went straight through and lodged in the next guy's heel. That leg couldn't hold me so my knee just folded and I fell. Ultimately, I was relatively fine, but the other shot guy had a more problematic recovery.

It feels a lot different when you don't expect it. I nearly got stabbed once and only got a deep gash in my arm, and it hurt like a motherfucker straight away, but when I got hit by that bullet, I only felt a sharp sting, like a bad case of inflammation, before I realized what had happened. When I saw that my pant leg was drenched in blood, the pain came rushing in.

what's an IA? I'm not an armyfag so never heard that term

Iraqi Army. The army of Iraq. AKA armed dudes who are supposed to be on your side but either aren't, or are simply so incompetent that despite their best intentions they're dangerous to you anyway.

Iraqie Army

Thank you for your service, even if I'm not American, but a post-commie. Christ Almighty, I don't know if you're lucky or unlucky to live

>bullets do not knock down or throw people through the air

wow really

>If I’m wearing a 121 sq. in. Level 3+ plate, and someone shoots me with a 125 grain .308 hollow point with a velocity of 3,100 fps, that’s 2668 ft-lbs of energy across said 121 sq. in., or ~22 ft-lbs / square in.

>To put this into perspective, an average professional baseball player swings a bat with ~240 ft-lbs of energy. How is ft/lbs energy of a bullet defined. That means for every 11 square inches, it’s like having someone whack you across the chest with a baseball bat. You have 121 square inches of armor, so that means it’s 11 times the force of getting whacked with a bat.

>WOW! That’s a lot of power. And as you may imagine it won’t feel good. But it’s infinitely better than having that bullet go through you and destroy your heart and lungs.

from the very same source

I was actually about to go into the math on my own and look up energy conversion shit and all that, but somebody has gone through the trouble of doing the math for people that are interested in learning already.

The problem with that calculation is that not all the energy is transferred. Not even close. Most of the energy is carried away by bullet fragments deflected outward. Some is dissipated as heat. The tip of a bullet hitting armor is vaporized in a white hot flash that you can see on high speed camera, or with your own eyes if it's .50 BMG or larger.

TL;DR the author of your source has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.

>.308 125gr @ 3100fps
Oh so we're gaming the system by using an uncommon, unrealistically fast load in a different caliber here.
>7.62x39 (123gr bullet at 2350fps)
At the muzzle, 7.62x39 has just over HALF the muzzle energy of the example .308. 1630-1650FPE.

This makes 7.62x39 AT THE MUZZLE have a kinetic energy of 11.46 inch-pounds (1650/144). It will be less at range, potentially dramatically so.

So again, you have no goddamn idea what the fuck you're talking about.

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There's also the question of impulse duration, or m*v = F*t
In spite of the brevity of the event, the process of a bullet travelling through the gun is pretty slow in bullet terms and accelerating that 8 pound gun is pretty hard for the round. The energy that was applied over 20 inches of barrel and dissipated over 8 pounds of gun before it reached the shooter is applied to the target almost instantly and in a small area to boot.

I'm still alive unlike others from my unit on that tour. I also have full VA disability and am financially stable enough to do what I want without having a 9 to 5. Am I slower and carry a bit of pain? Yes. Can I just up and take a three state trip if I want? Yes. I don't hold anything against the guy who shot me. He was defending his home, I was there because I volunteered to serve in an Army at war. Things happen.

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there also the matter of the force of the reaction travelling through the body and some of it into the ground because of the contact between the gun, person, and earth? Someone mentioned earlier that you can compare the force of being hit by a bullet to getting hit by the buttstock of a gun, but even then it seems like a lot of energy would be transferred through the arms and into the body before the butt of the gun even reaches you. It just seems like a dumb and simple comparison.

Though the initial point of the argument was whether or not it would feel like a sledgehammer. I imagine at the end of the day it really probably depends. Especially for earlier body armor in the early-mid 2000s when army guys were getting shot with less advanced armor that probably has worse dissipation and cushioning than what we see today, it doesn't seem out of the question for it to hurt like a sack of bricks depending on circumstances. But also depending on circumstances it doesn't seem out of the question for a plate to make a shot unnoticeable.

I just don't really understand how some people can make a blanket statement contradicting personal testimony on how it feels for something to happen and then cite HS physics tier logic on why thing is not why thing is. Shit's bonkers

If we're going to take the physics approach, you could interpret it in energy terminology like this:
Energy is imparted to the bullet to propel it forward and a reactionary force recoils the gun against you. All of the energy must be transferred eventually. The shooter has the benefit of the gun weighing a bit and him already pressing the gun against himself, so the impulse is applied continuously and without jerking. A buttstock can bruise or break collar bones if the shooter holds the gun just an inch away from his shoulder. The bullet, however, applies its energy (what was not dissipated in the air before that, at least - assume engagements below 300m) instantly on the target. Common people differentiate 3 properties of movement: displacement, velocity, and acceleration. In mechanical engineering, we also use the derivative (rate of change) of acceleration - the jerk. Contrary to popular belief, it's not the acceleration that breaks things, it's the jerk.

>blanket statements
There are people who insist that the M4/16 platform is reliable and will go to memetic degrees of mud testing to prove that an AK won't cycle either when it's full of mud, despite there being testimony from people who survived a slaughter blaming the M's for failing at the worst time. Some people can't be convinced.

Military body armor hasn't changed in form or function since the advent of the RBA in the mid 80s. Moreover we've been using the exact same fucking plates (ESAPI) since 2004.
There is and never has been any "cushioning" and the plates have been made out of basically the same shit (aluminum oxide ceramic) for 30 fucking years. Moreover, the old RBA plates were significantly LARGER AND HEAVIER than the current ESAPI so they would actually have BETTER dissipation.
>personal testimony
Yeah because nobody has ever hammed something up for sympathy, and for every "hurr sledgehammer" quote you can find on the internet I can find 20 "no big deal" quotes. Also the majority of the "hurr sledgehammer" quotes are people wearing soft armor only (and yes by all accounts that does suck).

>but even then it seems like a lot of energy would be transferred through the arms and into the body before the butt of the gun even reaches you
Found the noguns. The butt of the gun is pressed against you before you ever fire it.
>I've been hit in the rifle plate by 7.62x39
I felt it, it left a bruise smaller than my fist which healed up fast, but it for damn sure didn't feel like I got hit with a sledgehammer. Or hit with anything. It felt like getting shoved in the chest by a friend one-handed.

>assume engagements below 300m
7.62x39 has lost half its energy at 200m, and 2/3 of its energy at 300m.
gundata.org/blog/post/7.62x39mm-ballistics-chart/

Feels like being shot

You are like little baby
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Your that fag that got gassed on the Bradley too? If so you should write up your experiencences before you kick it

Nope. Never been around Bradleys.

So, in the shooter's case, the acceleration imparted by the recoil has a "soft" start from all the weight in the system - the acceleration over time doesn't have a Heaviside function shape, it's "rounded".

The bullet impacting the target does much worse than making perpendicular unit jump. In the initial moment of contact, the acceleration is more like an impulse function even. The levels of jerk are, from a mechanical engineering standpoint, no different from being actually infinite - the sudden onset of acceleration is unacceptable in any case.

That's why I said "below" 300m. Because that's about the distance up to which 7.62x39 is useful

what about snap, crackle, and pop?

THIS,
FUCKING FIRE LIQUID IN YOUR ARM

>crossfire of a gang shootout
>iraq

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that's a strange way to spell Detroit

Iraq is the new Vietnam, buddy

Took a ricochet bullet in my left ankle. Didn't even notice at first until I felt my foot wet with blood. It didn't hurt too bad afterwards either and I thought I just got cut. I never went and got seen for it and forgot about it until years later I hit my ankles together and I guess it dislodged the bullet. It started moving around down there and I finally got it cut out. It had been calcified over and the surgeon asked how a bullet got there and why I waited so long. Just said I didn't know anything was in there.

Been in a few explosions too, those were far more intense and had worse lasting effects.

Ricochet hit me in the face. Does that count? It stung a bit. It did not penetrate the skin, fortunately.

Kek

Your taking it better than I would

Get off 4chins, Alan.

>>but even then it seems like a lot of energy would be transferred through the arms and into the body before the butt of the gun even reaches you
>Found the noguns. The butt of the gun is pressed against you before you ever fire it.

This was in reference to an earlier post by someone that made the argument that the force of a buttstock held away from you hitting your shoulder is the same as being hit by a bullet.

I'd like to know the circumstances of how you were hit btw. Was it close range and dead on? I imagine that the impact might be lessened if the bullet hit at an angle and from farther away. Maybe people that say that bullets through plates hurt more are getting hit at closer ranges and from less of an angle. But maybe they are just hamming it up.

and not that it really matters, but people in the military didn't always have standard issue body armor. Sometimes they had to have civilian bought armor because the army/marines didn't have enough. I read that the army had to tell people to stop buying civilian armor after it got its own shit together because they were worried about people buying shittier plates without enough blunt force protection. So they kind of had shittier plates before but yeah you're right, standard issue has been the same. My bad.

I'm really glad you posted, learning about engineering shit is neat.

explosion story time

First, one I was living in a small Iraqi Police Station converted to a little patrol base right outside a traffic circle in Al Haswah, Iraq. We came back off a foot patrol and when we were coming int he serpentine blockades I sat down to bullshit with my buddy at the front gate. I sat on an MRE box behind a small cement barrier. Some dude wanting virgins drove up and detonated in the street at the entrance to the patrol base, about 20-30 feet from me, and detonated his car. Knocked me tot he ground (which probably saved my life) and I think I blacked out for a few seconds. I came back and noticed everyone running to secure the area in case more were coming. After it all calmed down I noticed an axle landed a few feet from me.
cont...

There was another user saying a similar experience who got hit with a dirty roadside bomb while sitting in a Bradley hatch. Also had the one CBRN suit for 100 days and a similar description on Sadams bio weapons. Thought you might have been him.

We later found 2 artillery shells which did not detonate and an EOD guy said from the size of the crater, it looked like only 1 went off. SO if all went off I probably would have been fucked or dead. We did find the dude body, it got thrown from he car through the concertina wire on top of the wall and shredded him.

The thing with jerk/jolt isn't about the force or energy itself, but the target's reaction to it. "What is jerk anyway?". you might ask. There's not much in physics to describe it, not even a few years into college - for as long as you work with the simplified rigid body physics, jolt will never be a thing of question. If your acceleration model accelerates every atom of the target uniformly at the same time, jerk will be irrelevant, and your only limiting factor would be the g limit of your design.
In the case of a "slowly" applied acceleration, the "impulse" of the acceleration has time to "propagate" through the body. If you think about it, 2-3g acceleration is really only you being 2-3 times heavier, which any healthy untrained person can withstand for a few seconds.
With suddenly applied acceleration (high jolt), one part of the body is already experiencing acceleration, while the other end is at rest, "unaware" of what's happening (think of golf ball smashing into a wall). The initial acceleration is only met by a fraction of the total mass, producing much higher apparent forces for a few moments before the impulse propagates and accelerates the rest of the mass. Thus, you can shatter something that should have survived your combination of delivered energy and indicated acceleration

Can't hold grudges against a guy defending his home. I won't go to my grave holding hate.

>45acp
You're lucky it didn't rip your arm off, Sonny.

Have you considered becoming a doctor, and adopting a sarcastic/witty attitude?