Ok bros, i'm ordered my first gayAR feeeefteeen, and i cant decide what optic to buy. I'm an experienced pistol shooter, but i have no idea about rifles. I have cheap chink pistol reddot from before, and ordered some iron sights. To that, i want to add a cheap optic so i can experience all three, and THEN buy a quality version of one of those, when i decide what is the most interesting to shoot. Problem is i can't decide on the type of optic.
I'd love to experience everything from CQB drills/2gun to long range/PRS. But being a small country eurofag, there are no such options for me. The only ranges are 50-300 lane ranges, and the only comp is classic bullseye with irons to 100 and scopes to 300. And going into the mountains to shoot past 600m on public land is totally illegal. So i am ultimately going to be limited to shooting groups, and the most "action" I'm gonna be able to pull off is fast transitions between 50-300m. From what I'm reading, that ultimately happens to most American shooters too, simply because a lot of people would need to drive 2h+ to get out of a big city, and past all private land to finally get to government land where no one will bother them. So they just end up in 50-300 yard lanes despite technically being able to goof off on public land.
So with those limitations, what are your experiences and recommendations? Seems that something like PA 1-6 or 1-8 would be a good choice since i would get to try both eyes open at 1x, and get a good idea about magnified shooting at 300m. On the other hand, people who shoot for groups say that ACSS doesn't really work for that, the turret tracking on these scopes isn't good, and the "fixed" parallax eint all that fixed at all. So something like a 4-16 with a traditional, clean SFP reticle, and adjustable parallax would be much better for a first all around experience. OR..perhaps a 1-6 but with target turrets and no drop compensation reticle for a mix of both.
You didn't read my post. Cheap optic first to see if i even want to shoot through glass to begin with. No fucking 2700$ scopes. Probably never, but especially not for the first one. As for the AR, its already ordered (and its a long boi).
Colton Collins
Fixed power (4x, 6x, or 10x) with a simple reticle (duplex). Since you would be shooting groups at a fixed distance, you don't need a ranging reticle, and you don't need adjustable magnification. 4x would probably be sufficient. Ymmv
Nathan Jackson
Swfa ss
Jayden Rodriguez
You didnt read through the lolz.
Andrew Butler
If it were me I'd just use a red dot, trijicon MRO or aimpoint PRO
Otherwise this get a SWFA fixed 10x scope, get the milquad version with mil adjustment. I prefer the side turret parallax adjust too
Nice blog post Eurofag , try a shorter post if you want burgers to respond because they don't have the patience to read your word salad. Buy a Nixon scope made for AR 15's , or get a bushnell AR scope both under 200$ not the best but they'll work for what you want.
Angel Johnson
Fixed power scopes are a waste of money. AO is way more useful than it sounds. Get the cheapest 1-x AO scope you can, since you won't be able to find anything cheap in that spec.
Aaron Garcia
This is what i'm leaning towards, but i'm thinking maybe still a 1-6 with a duplex just to try out the speed at 50m.
Ugh. There are so many "get x Gucci scope on 3" barrel" people from ARG that i honestly thought you were being serious.
Noted.
All that for 37$ ? I mean i want cheap, but that looks like it would explode within 100 rounds.
Christopher Price
>Buy a Nixon scope made for AR 15's , or get a bushnell AR scope
Read the reviews and decide for yourself. Besides eye relief, I have no complaints about it. On a budget build basic bitch ar15 it has done fine for over 500 rounds.
Seconded. I have this and it is a great quality scope, shot at least 2000 rounds through it. Report back on your findings.
Jack Sullivan
None. Use irons.
Adrian Sullivan
He said cheap to start you nogunz bitch, I mean aren't 100 percent wrong but this guy isn't high speed he is the 90%
Sebastian Lewis
>not having amazon prime As long as the optic is on Amazon prime you can return whatever you buy no questions asked within 30 days. But I guarantee you, you won't want to return it if you start and end with quality. Go with a trusted brand like leupold, elcan, trijicon, or nightforce. You won't regret it. And if you do, just return it.
Zachary Gomez
>unironically typing everything you just posted t.noguns
I am a precision rifle shooter who spends quite a bit of time learning about and being behind optics. My experience comes from tactical long range shooting, not benchrest or F-Class. There are a few posts in here that recommend complete and utterly inappropriate garbage that make me shudder and cringe. To start, we need to know your budget, what you expect out of your optic, and what type of shooting you'd be doing. $1,000 is one man's "budget", and another man's "high-end", for example, and an optic that is great for one thing will be poor for another. Optics are tools meant for different purposes. Also, I don't know the availability and prices of optics in yuroland. I would speculate that yuro optics would be easier to come by, so factor that in as well. You must be the judge here.
What features are you looking for? How important is glass quality, reticle choice, fixed power prism or traditional lens, illumination, weight, durability, etc. Just by going off the range you posted, a red dot, prism optic, or a 1-x scope could suit you, but we need to know more.
Also what does >the "fixed" parallax eint all that fixed at all mean? It makes zero sense. Either the parallax is fixed or it's not. It may be different for some shooters' eyes though. Even then, as far as tactical shooting goes, it doesn't really matter until you start pushing 600y and up.
If you want an actual productive recommendation we need more details other than "what scope iz gud for everything and is cheap???"
Aaron Torres
The type of shooting i will be doing is gonna be 50-300m, both groups from prone, and quick snapshots from standing position. I wouldn't mind spending 999$ on a scope if i knew exactly what i wanted, and that i want a scope to begin with. But i would be pissed to spend even 300$ for nothing. Right now I'm thinking a SFP 3-12x with a clean or mill dot reticle, or a 1-6/8x, but with good turrets.
What i meant by the parallax thing is that some reviewers said that things like a PA 3-9x, that have parallax fixed at 100m, absolutely sucked shit at 300 because of the non adjustable parallax, to the point where you could barely see the cross-hairs. And that it would be wise to go up to 3-12 just for the sake of getting an adjustable parallax dial, since its almost never present below 9 power.
Ayden Russell
I'm honestly disgusted to share a website with you """""people"""""
Oliver Gray
am I the only one who thinks he should just get a 1-6x pa or vortex? Itll be easy to free hand, shoot quickly at man sized targets, and can do longer range work well enough. Him not using gucci before, he wont know what hes missing but will have a perfectly functional mid range optic thats only a bit slower than a red dot. Sure he wont be able to bulls eye shoot as perfectly but I dont think thats where he expects to get most of his fun from
Jack Sullivan
"To that, i want to add a cheap optic" didn't tell either you or he to buy one, but suggested a look. I know what good glass is. And how much it costs.
Being in a similar position. For the AR, I'd get something like a 1-6 Scope. It'll keep it CQB capable and still allow for decent typical 100m target shooting.
In addition I'd get an almost identical setup (just cheaper optics, possibly the hand down from the real gun) combined with a GBB softair AR. This will allow you to train CQB stuff at home that's illegal at a typical European range.
Hudson Nelson
Care to elaborate?
Jordan Cook
>non adjustable parallax Just means you have to keep your eye properly centered when looking through the scope. being able to adjust it just means you're removing a possible error source that can be compensated for with correct technique.
Chase Morales
You're going to need to choose here. Do you want to: >shoot tight groups from prone/bench or >oper8 with quick snapshots from standing If you want "good" turrets, you'll pay for those for sure. This is where the ACSS shines, because it is a lot easier and cheaper to get a smart BDC reticle etched onto glass than it is to ensure precise machining of the turrets.
On another note, I think you're getting parallax and diopter confused. Diopter is set once according to the shooter's eyesight and then not touched again -- it focuses the *reticle*, not the target image, until it is crisp and clear for the shooter. Even the sub-$100 PA 3-9x has a diopter, although I wouldn't be surprised if there were issues with the scope (at that price, it just needs to hold zero). Parallax, however, is the apparent movement of the reticle in relation to the target image. An adjustable parallax knob may help you to get the smallest groups possible, although I've already addressed this point. Parallax is always a factor no matter the magnification; it'll just be more apparent at higher magnifications. Also, protip: buy a used scope. Even if you buy a completely fucked scope for cheap, if the brand isn't garbage, they'll replace it for you for free.
Honestly dude just get like a Strike Eagle or a Raptor, and if you like those you can upgrade to a Razor II or Nightforce with "good" turrets.
