300 blackout consensus?

>takes forever for the gov to do the paperwork.
So its not easy

It's easy it just takes time.

>So its not easy
IMHO "easy" refers to the level of difficulty required, not the amount of time it takes.

t. Autist

It's great if you have a suppressor, pure memes otherwise.

Then it's also "easy" to get a gun in Europe, it just takes time.

I thought getting a gun took a lot of effort in Europe? Like meetings and whatnot that you have to do?

I know that my brother in England had to spend a ton of effort: meetings with the police, meetings with his doctor, had to install his safes a certain way, schedule with the police to come inspect them, etc. There was a lot of work involved, not just "mail in this form and wait a long time"

So are we arguing about the definition of easy or what now?

Not all of Europe is like England btw, here we really just apply for a permit and wait for it to come back. Yeah there's no constitutional law to ensure gun ownership but in the end it's the same guns.

>So are we arguing about the definition of easy or what now?
Well yes, we said that back in and >>here we really just apply for a permit and wait for it to come back
That sounds easy to me, assuming that the application doesn't require much work to fill out.

>>Yeah there's no constitutional law to ensure gun ownership but in the end it's the same guns.
Nice. the only info I have on Euro ownership is my brother in England and a family friend in Denmark, and honestly I haven't talked to the guy in Denmark in many years.

I like my 300BO pistol. 10" barrel is fun, suppressed loads work well with a pistol length gas system, a little over gassed running supers, but still functional. It's on a polymer lower, so it's really light.

300 blackout is a 7.62x39mm. Now, 458 SOCOM is 45-70 gov in an AR platform. That is something to consider.

Can you get it up to full retard 45-70 levels? I have an 1895SBL for burrs and shit but I'd throw a fuckin AR in the plane if I could get equal performance.

I know .450 Raptor is like 458 SOCOM but out of an AR-10 platform allowing for even more power.

Not full retard 45-70 but mid levels.
325gr at 1900fps iirc.
600gr at 1000fps

Yes.

It's certainly better for any country using stanags and ARs
US should consider replacing a bunch of guns with .300 blk ARs

It's good as long as you get a dedicated rifle. Don't fall for the MULTI, it's a trick.

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Can't be real... Is this real?

It took me a second to process all the stupidity, he should obviously try to blow it out the other side

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this is a good take

>barrel
>lower

Artificial headspace??????

Bwa-hahahahahaha!

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>not a game changer
>AR platform, ergos, and parts, only difference is barrel
>Shorter barrels, more complete burn
>Subs and supers in one reliable functioning platform
>Better energy retention
Okay...

Except 7.62x39 sucks in ARs and can't reliably swap between supers and subs.

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That’s a ridiculous statement. You can buy factory range ammo for 45cpr and the components to load it is less than half that. And boutique ammo is gonna coat the same as any other cartridge.

Aluminum lowers weigh 8.5 ounces bro. You’re not saving weight with a poly lower.

Then get an AK gaylord

i just ordered a PMCX in 5.56

why should i switch its barrel to the .300?

i will only listen to posters that reply to me as if they were my gentle, loving mother.

I should have aborted you~ anons mom

Wasted get, fucking 300 memeout faggots

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>"This hole, it was made for me!"

Leave and never return, I say this unironically

It's as useful as a 7.62x39 which has limitations in and of its own. Very good for short barrels, not so good for shooting past 200 yards. Git gud with physics.

>its bad because i dont have it
>the thing i do have is better tho
>*wipes tears*

Fucking.
Wasted.

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Honey, it's your rifle. If you like .300AAC you go right ahead and switch over. It's a great round for short barrels and works well suppressed. If you're not going to shoot suppressed or don't care about ballistic performance and barrel lengths, just stick with the 5.56. I love you, sweetheart.

>gears turning
>gears turning
>what part of the lower is that?
>gears turning
And then I realized it. By the power of Stoner that's some rare stupid.

Don't buy guns sweetie you may hurt yourself if you are not carefull, we don't to accidently shoot jamal when he comes visit mommy now do we?

>more energy than 7.63x39 at the same distances
Except that 7.62x39 is a 123-125gr bullet (vs 115gr for .300 BLK) that is going 100 fps faster.

I will never buy your redundant meme round

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you can buy any cheaper ammo and reload that too

Just use mk 262 or any other hollowpoint. .300 blackout is fucking stupid. It requires a spare barrel instead of a minor change in ammo

thats not how my mommy would talk

I use it. I like it. If you don't, you can either buy and pay to fund an alternative for me or you can go fuck yourself.

Fuck off.
They're never wasted.
>But they didn't say what I agree with and or wanted them to say!
Well then they're not premonitions, not holy, just coincidences that mean nothing if that's the case.

If I already have a ar in 5.56 and an ak in 7.62 and intend to suppress neither am I exempt from needing 300bo? The only time I could imagine needing it is for suppressed assassinating.

>when you stick a black dick into an asian pussy

Meme.
Don't bother with it.
Never listen to Jow Forums
including me

Unless you are running subsonics through a can it is pointless

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It's hard enough to put people off who aren't that invested in firearm ownership, the actual hurdles are small in reality. A couple of months waiting, a ten minute chat with a firearms officer at your home and installation of a safe is all it took me.

.357 MAX-AR / '.350 Legend' (stupid proprietary name) is the same concept but better in every way - particularly for being straight-walled. I only wish it were truly completely untapered and that the spec called for the bullet to be completely recessed behind the brass (OAL = Case Length). Then you could easily have shorter variants (just like shotshells) and people could even play around with highly telescoped bullets.

The future is LSAT/G11 type telescoped polymer/caseless rounds. This could be the intermediary stop from 5.56 to that.

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>vs 115 gr
WDHMBT?

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blasphomy, KEK STRIKE HIM DOWN!!!

The only ammo that's not expensive is 9mm and .223 (and tinier shit but no one wants that). Every faggot who's crtiticism of a round starts with price, has zero credibility because it's obvious your only 2 guns are a Glock and a basic bitch AR.

>Just get a completely inferior platform
>Get a platform that is harder to suppress
>Still can't readily switch between supers and subs while maintaining good reliability
No.

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This, its a very purpose built round and it suits that purpose really well, not really any others

and 7.62x39

but people still shoot 30-30.

I like both 300blk and 7.62x39 and you are wrong. 7.62x39 is a little more powerful.
>300blk is very versatile and works in ARs that are very affordable and practical.
>7.62x39 154gr soft points are good deer sluggers.
Hypothetically 300blk Subsonics would be pretty quiet out of a 16" barrel AR with a faux suppressor stuffed with oily paper towels that you forgot to take out after cleaning your gun. :^)

>Except 7.62x39 sucks in ARs
Except it doesn't. It's fucking great.

>that delivers more energy than 7.63x39
?
the 7.62 generally uses a heavier projectile and has more case capacity. If we are talking off the shelf you are wrong. If we are talking specialized cartridges you are also wrong. If you take cost into account there is essentially no argument for 300 blackout. Not to mention you can buy 7.62x39 everywhere in the world.

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How's that manual of arms?

>Can you get it up to full retard 45-70 levels?
Not in a standard AR-15 platform you can't.

But in a stronger platform like AR-10 or the CMMG Anvil then you can.

how hot would you have to load it for the bullet to go all the way down a 16" barrel, and what would the peak pressures be?

The issue with 7.62x39 AR15s is that the base of the cartridge is so wide really pushing the limits of an AR15 sized receiver and bolt carrier because of how thin the metal around the bolt can be.

Also from experience it can be a challenge to get a firing pin long enough to reliably detonate steel cased ammo with its deep set primers that won't detonate brass cased ammo out of battery.

Honestly plastic guy you're posting so much bad info lately you're quickly becoming my least favorite tripfag. If you don't fucking know then don't fucking say anything you retard.

Then filter me you fucking retard. Show me where I posted misinformation.

I can't answer that specific question, but I don't think the pressure would need to be too high.

Read "Handbook for Shooters & Reloaders" by Ackley. It documents a series of experiments in which riles were modified to chamber a cartridge whose bullet was much larger in diameter than the bore, for example a .35 in a .30 barrel, and then test-firing. There were NOT signs of excess pressure shown on the brass. The theory was that the bullet swages down to the smaller diameter well before the peak pressure is generated in the case. That said, Ackley's experiments were with lead bullets. I imagine you'd have a whole different ballgame on your hands if you tried it with solid copper or bronze bullets, or steel core. IIRC this particular subject was discussed in Vol 2 of the 2-book set.

>red dot / laser at 116yds
>1/3 moa or better groups
How did you get those results? Your sharpie notes are confusing.

the bolt carrier has plenty of metal around it with a 7.62 x 39 cartridge and the receiver can easily handle the cartridge as well.

not your personal secretary faggot.

if you want to wear a special ID around to every thread you post in at least verify what you're posting is correct.

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The target is showing the process for setting up a parallel zero between bore and laser aiming device. Note the small little aluminum foil squares used to reflect the laser off of. Groups were all shot at the 8 near zero, which explains why they're tight. All groups were 3 shot groups. Foil square is placed the offset distances from the red dot zero. 138 yards is the maximum point blank range on a 10" target, meaning that at 138 yards using subsonic 200 grain out of that 9" barrel one could place the red dot or laser on the center of a 10" target and still expect to get hits. Outside of that 138 yard max point blank range you would have to start compensating for drop to get reliable hits.

Considering the flight ballistics of 300blk subs this was important to do.

With supers though however max point blank range is out to like 300m or so.

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>thickness of the material has no effect on the service life of a wear item

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What distance are those groups from and what were you shooting from? ie. sled, rest, bag, or freehand.

Not my problem you're making up issues and are too mentally deficient to use the filter function.

Some of the reasons I like 300 over x39 is I can use all the same things I'm used to on my AR(such as mags, bolt etc), wide variety of projectile weights and types, and it's focus as a round to work suppressed.

Pic kinda related, how is getting mags like these in/out of a plate carrier mag pouch compared to Stanag?

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bolt carrier is irrelevant, bolt is the main concern.
also you did not address the firing pin issue, ask any 7.62x39 AR owner about light strikes.
>nice strawman
I never once said that 7.62x39 was better than .300blk and I never said anything about stanag mag pouches being compatible with 7.62x39 AR mags.

But if I filtered you no one would call you out on bad information. If you don't like being called out, stop posting bad info. How dare you ask me to accommodate you by ignoring your retarded posts.

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>do you want a subsonic carbine
>if yes .300 blackout is a good option
>if no why do you hate flat trajectories

gunsplosion.

check youtube. pretty sure MAC demonstrated what happens if you have a 300 BO round in your 223 AR

the metal is thick enough so over the service life of the bolt the difference in thickness as compared to a 223 bolt will have no appreciable effect on service life.

yeah i meant bolt and i own a fucking 7.62 ar and have never had a problem. I bought the right parts to make the rifle and that included a different firing pin and a heavier hammer spring.

What do we do with all the 30-30 then?

>I never once said that 7.62x39 was better than .300blk
I didn't say you did
>I never said anything about stanag mag pouches being compatible with 7.62x39 AR mags
I didn't say you did either, this was something I was bringing up seperately from me talking to you. Hence the spacing in my post.
>But if I filtered you no one would call you out on bad information.
And I asked you to present evidence of your claim, and you didn't have anything to show for it.
>How dare you
Pic related

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300BO is ok. I have one and I like it enough. But it is dumb to get when 458 socom (or 450bush) exists. ballistics are damn near identical within 250-300yds, but 458 has way more power. especially at subsonic where 300 is supposed to shine.

i shoot 300 just for quite suppressed shooting at 50-200 yards. thats the extent of my use for the round.

>well documented known issue
>yeah but mine has never had a problem
you sound like an RAS47 owner.
Take your medicine and stop lieing on your 4473s schizoboi.

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>Groups were all shot at the 8 near zero, which explains why they're tight.
Shot off of a bag.

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its a meme unless you are running a suppressor

okay that makes sense. I thought you were trying to pass a quarter inch group as a 116yd group which is why I started questioning.

I don't know how powerful your laser is or how effective the reflectors on your target are but make sure you are being careful about not beaming yourself in the eyes.

No i built mine and the failzero bolt i have has held up fine over thousands of rounds. My friend also built a 7.62 ar at the sime time with an anderson bcg and it has also held up fine. Maybe some manufacturers are making inferior quality bolts but there is plenty of steel there for what it has to do.

nice

There is no question that the 7.62x39 bolt head is weaker than the 5.56 bolt head. The question is whether or not it is still sufficiently strong. The answer to that question is going to depend on a lot of variables: the quality of manufacture, how much the owner intends to shoot the rifle, how the rifle is set up (overgassed?), and what sort of job the gun is for. I wouldn't do that conversion on a duty gun but for a range toy? totally different story.

And Mrgunsngear has a Century VSKA that is still in headspace spec after 6k rounds. Your point is?

Just because in your sample size of 1 it hasn't failed yet, doesn't mean it's a smart bet especially when so many better options exist for whatever purpose you may have.
>AR10 in 308
>AR15 in 300blk
>WASR in 7.62x39

It's a round that most people poo-poo because it requires two tax stamps (short barrel + suppressor) to unlock its full potential and flexibility. Otherwise it's just slightly better 7.62x39 that plays nice with 5.56 magazines, bolts, and (reformed) brass.