*drives American forces out of Europe in one swift ground offensive*
Nothing personnel, cyka
*drives American forces out of Europe in one swift ground offensive*
Nothing personnel, cyka
Well done Vassili,
Have another free shot of Krokodil
Just like Grozny right tovarisch!
>inb4 200 butthurt meme responses to an obvious troll thread
>1946
>Soviets begin offensive into France
>1946
>Soviet army takes nuke to the face
>1947
>Soviet surrender
While this is a troll thread, I must remark that nukes wouldn't be that relevant in 1945/1946.
There were too few of them to make any difference, and unlike Japan Soviets would have a more or less functioning air force and air defense. Delivering those nukes would be harder. And you only have a few of them, so they certainly wouldn't be used in a tactical role.
To use nukes in a tactical role you need shitload of nukes. Even when massed for attack, a Soviet rifle division would cover a front of 4 km, with like 2 km in depth. That's 8 square kilometers. So you'd need shitload of nukes in sub-100 kiloton range to sufficiently wreck Soviet offensive potential.
Using them on cities would be far more useful.
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>Soviets would have a more or less functioning air force and air defense
Bullshit. It would be the same thing as Japan Soviets barely had planes capable of reaching B-29.
Im gonna need a source for that picture.
>barely any
>by mid-1946, 4,848 Yak-3s had been built
Also Russians had dedicated anti-aircraft artillery divisions. Whole fucking divisions on artillery AA
I don't think you realise just how high and fast B-29s were designed to fly. Moscow would be ash in 1946.
Hell, even non-nuclear having the combined postwar USAF and RAF breathing on every supply yard, oil field and factory would have the Soviet War machine effectively crippled.
Yaks have 3k+ feet higher service ceiling than B-29s, the Soviet heavy calibre AA, the 85mm artillery has maximum vertical range well beyond the B-29s ceiling. With some imagination, even the 76 mm cannons could score a hits on B-29
The plan you propose is mere approximation what Germans already tried. Russians just moved the factories, simplied manufacturing and spread them into every single corner of their Union. The sheer vasteness of whole Russia cannot really be controlled by whatever force, no matter how great, of that time
What would eventually caught up with their industry might have been material shortage, but Russians are fucked in the head y'know. They'd be willing to fight with spears and muskets, if it'd have to be. The kind of dolchstoß the Anglos would have to do would piss them off beyond mortal vengeance
Thank God that Unthinkable did not go off. Anglos shoulda have prolonged the intervention back in the 20s, when they had a chance to stop bolshevism. Just like they also should have completely deconstruct Germany and distribute it to Poland, France, Czechoslovakia, Danes, Austrians and Netherlands. Would have save the trouble
>Implying Stalin wouldn't keep sending men in to die until his ego was satisfied
>It could never be satisfied
Honestly at some point the Russian people would revolt.
I miss the tsar ;_;
Service ceiling can be misleading, it doesn't actual account for high altitude performance just the maximum permissible altitude. That and we know from Korea that the daylight B-29 raids were only stopped because the MiG-15 entered the theater. B-29's were attacked during WWII, they weren't untouchable but fighters were constrained by their ability to stay on station at the altitudes they flew at and had to deal with course changes and feigned raids.
>Russians just moved the factories, simplied manufacturing and spread them into every single corner of their Union.
This would work against them, nailing the major rail heads in the Soviet Union would doom their industry to fragmentation.
And further dispersal imposes economic costs that the heavily damaged USSR would be ill-equipped to bear, especially when facing combat against an economically superior US.
The US would absolutely love if Russia tried. Russia is lucky Putin is smart enough not to try.
Apparently if left to their own devices the Russian people would feed themselves into a wood chipper.
It was already fragmented during the war, being annihilated and pushed by the whole German blitz and just got back on track after relieving the pressure
Rails and roads being would again only slow Soviets down. Horses, millions of trucks and automobiles, lot of them also leased by LL, as well as ships and river canal transport would keep the machine going. Again, it's just so fucking astonishingly giant land, that's just beyond any ability to control it. Hell, apart heavy machinery, most of the Soviet technology could have been manufactured by lathes and small-scale industrial machinery, if not straight out on a workbench. Fucking Leningrad kept somewhat steady output of machineguns, cannons and tanks. Fucking. Besieged. Leningrad. Let that sink in
Though back to the B-29 discussion. Same principles also apply to Soviet aircraft and interceptors y'know. What I've found on the web is, that absolute record of the highest altitude ever taken by B-29 is 47,910 feet with mere 1 ton of load. What I've found, it was also done without secondary armaments on the plane present. The 41,561 feet record with 10 tons of load sound much more plausible, though kinda still shite, if we're not talking about nuclear payload, that still would not come in sufficient numbers even in following years. The MiG-1 and 3 had service ceiling of 37-39k feet
Though kinda questionable, how would Soviet reverse-research of German jet technology would undergone with the conflict at hand, which would definitely make Anglos prevail in the air sooner or later
Let's break it down by decade now
>40s
Massive stalemate, Western Germany is an irradiated shithole
>early 50s
Same as above but this time it's all of Europe
>late 50s-late 70s
Warpac tramples the west. They had the technological edge and better trained troops except for the US and UK, but they would both need time to move armies. The Western European conscript armies were awful
>early 80s
Stalemate. Soviets probably take the rhine and then US forces arrive and stop the advance but are unable to push
>anytime after that
West tramples the soviets but gets bogged down in an Eastern European stalemate
user those planes don't do you any good if you can't fuel them, which the Soviets categorically could not without American gasoline supplies. Conservative, Stalin era estimates said 60% of their useful POL supplies were imported. Realistic estimates based on export records put that number at no less than 85% and what they did produce locally was barely usable for diesel engines and heavy oil applications like power plants and ship fuel.
mig-9
> Russians are fucked in the head y'know. They'd be willing to fight with spears and muskets,
Wrong. Stalin was actually seriously contemplating on numerous occasions before Stalingrad a negotiated peace with Hitler. The >AAAHHHHHH MOTHERLAND is just a meme
According to Wiki, as part of LL Allies sent to USSR about 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products
Caucasian Baku produced throughout the war 75 mil. tons of crude oil
>early 50s
>Same as above but this time it's all of Europe
More like the USSR falls apart as the citizens back home see their golden opportunity to rise up and overthrow their puppet governments while the armies are busy getting nuked by the Americans. Imagine Hungary 1956 but in the entire warsaw pact and no tanks available to crush the resistance.
>It was already fragmented during the war, being annihilated and pushed by the whole German blitz and just got back on track after relieving the pressure
It wasn't fragmented in the way that the rail system collapsed, as it did in Germany in 1944. It was still a unified industrial network.
>Same principles also apply to Soviet aircraft and interceptors y'know.
I'm aware of this, however effective interception requires more than just being able to fly as high as the enemy. Catching a bomber stream thats pretty damn fast that high up takes time to reach, this sounds really damn simple but its deadly serious. Entire sorties ended in failure for the Germans and Japanese because the anticipated path of the bombers was judged incorrectly, fighters wouldn't have the fuel to reach them and return or wouldn't be able to intercept them before their targets. On the basis of performance the Soviets face a distinct disadvantage, they've got one engine that performs well at altitude but its an overheating, maintenance nightmare and they don't have very good endurance. However an interceptor is only as good as its ground control, something the Soviets were notably behind on. Their radars would've likely been shut down in the event of raids by Allied EW systems, hell their most advanced set is British so the enemy already knows the ins and outs of it. Overall their ability to actually intercept B-29s effectively is extremely limited.
There's also the scenario where they raid at night and the Soviets can't do anything about it.
>that filename
lol
Lets say the US goes back to isolationism and withdraws everything from Europe.
Meanwhile the Russians manage to un-JUST themselves a little bit and field a military capable of doing this (though still vastly inferior to the US), and they go for it.
They get all the way to France before the Americans wake up.
Would the French launch?
Or would they evac/surrender/etc and wait for the rest of NATO to save them?
If the french hadn't made incredible efforts to rebuild their military they're going to surrender.
But if the french re-militarize so will all the other European countries. And then we have a WW1/WW2 situation brewing. Unless europe abandons individual militaries and just has a EU military.
But if that happens the US and Russia will probably want to stomp the EU
I see you read turtledove. Yes that would happen eventually, but the red army would still push to the rhine and Europe would be glowing
Friendly reminder Russia just looks strong because EU sucks