The next failure for the UK in expanding non European partners

It's absurd how they want to build an aircraft which can't operate from their carriers

Tempest is most certainly not dead. It hasn't even reached the design phase yet - only seedcorning investments and planning for preparing industry.
Why? They will have 138 F-35 to supply their carrier wings - there's no reason why Tempest should be STOVL.

Get that shit out of here.
However gay royalty may be, Harry is a fucking winged bodyslayer, the man was an Apache pilot slaying bodies from on high, he's not going to raise a fruitbaby

>Tempest is most certainly not dead
kek'd
t. triggered limey.

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be less obvious, Ivan. Gaslighting about a project in the early design stages isn't going to stop them cancelling SU-57

Thats got nothing to do with Tempest.

Rolls Royce would rather have less to do than give away their secrets.

LOL, no. Germany and Spain MIGHT maybe, possibly, eventually be OK with it but France would literally tell the bongs to fuck off and die.

>Thats got nothing to do with Tempest.
It has EVERYTHING to do with Tempest.
>Rolls Royce would rather have less to do than give away their secrets.
Same goes for EVERYONE else. Do you really think that the US will allow any of the companies to transfer tech to build Tempest? Hell will freeze over before that happens.

That's why I always LAUGH MY ASS OFF at absolute idiots who think that UK/France/Germany/Japan/Turkey etc can build a credible 5G plane. Tempest claims to be 6G... which makes me laugh 10x harder.

Here's a fucking clue to all you vassal maggots: only the US can build a true 5G and 6G planes. If you want them, you will have to pay for them and you can forget about technology transfers of ANY of the key components. Just be lucky we let you build frames and other plumbing.

No need to get upset/butthurt/triggered. That's just how the world works. If you don't like it, go fucking pound sand and screech. No one gives a fuck about what you think.

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At least The Royal Family serves

Okay Ivan

British hubris the aircraft.

You do understand that the US is not the sole generator of IP and technology, right?

>IP count doesn't go up
sad

IT'S ANUDDA BREXIT

>implying it isn't his batshit crazy wife that'll raise the 56% baby

More like desperation

This
Brits are still living in the empire mindset, it's just pathetic at this point

Backstory?

Also lol at the pajeet cop in the background.

>the US is not the sole generator of IP and technology, right?
Then why the fuck do you idiots ant technology transfers? Reason is pretty obvious: you just CAN NOT build the plane on your own. You don't have half the tech needed to build one. Not even if all of the EU+UK banded together, you couldn't do it. But you will never be allowed to get together on a project such as this anyway because Pentagon will put an end to it.

Cute

>It has EVERYTHING to do with Tempest.

Except it's nothing to do with it. Turkey was an entirely separate project. And the Bongs were quite right to tell that slimepit to fuck off.

UK firms literally coded 95-98% of the F35s software. Im pretty sure they know whats in the plane, seeing as, i dunno, they wrote the code that keeps the fucking thing in the air.

Are you the same sad faggot that spergs out about how small the UK aerospace sector is based on your made-up data?
This isn't true.

Apologies, 89%. And a british pilot was the first one to fly it. But I guess none of that fits your narrative that the US doesnt/wont share any of its super duper tech with any other nations.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-f-35/

That's not what the article says, it says that Block 3i has 89% of the software ready and that BAE has contributed a lot to that. Also, you seem to think I'm one of the Bong-hating whiners- this is not the case.

>UK firms literally coded 95-98% of the F35s software
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
This has to be the dumbest thing I read on Jow Forums today... and I saw that Antifa thread earlier which makes your comment even dumber than that shit.

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Hope the EU cucks the Brits to oblivion

Lying bong caught right in the act. Good job user.

I'm pretty sure that was intentionally posted so that the same poster (as we see above) can go "bongs sad pathetic caught lying!!!!"

The thread is full of samefaggery.

And you'd be wrong as and this post are my only posts ITT.

It also isn't the first time bongs have posted this link so spare me the crocodile tears. Even if it was posted as bait, the other dozens of times it sure as hell wasn't, so your point is moot, stupid faggot.

>UK firms literally coded 95-98% of the F35s software
Explains why the software is such a shit show.

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Okay, totally your first post for sure hence why the threads IP count doesn't go up despite the number of "new" replies in the thread.

The Tempest looks so 5th gen, it's shameful.

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Sounds more like there's one asshat just trying to troll you/others than anything in general.

You not noticed that it's the same stuff every time? It's literally one dude who shitposts about our stuff. Same as the French had to deal with Rafalefag for months giving people reason to hate.

It'll pass, the idiots get bored after a while.

Why do the Bongs are so delusional about their share to the F-35?

They don't even have access to any subsystem without Lockheed and the okay of the USA.

Only that Bongs are always delusional about their shit.

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@40773463
You talk like a bot. Repeating the same lines over and over again.

Because the UK has no aircraft design expertise. The Eurofighter already was based on a German design concept. Without the TKF 90 concept by MBB there wouldn't be any Eurocanards today.

Taking the Eurofighter from concept to actual aircraft took the expertise of BAE. Germany ultimately contributed very little other than hoovering up workshare they didn't deserve.

not all USAF and Navy F-35s are vertical landing you know

>Because the UK has no aircraft design expertise
US Department of Trade would say otherwise.

That delicious butthurtness.

Can the Uk stop being an embarrassment?

The Germans in the 70s and 80s were wild. MBB and Dornier were quite involved in US-German experimental and design projects.

The FCAS has a good fundament with the France and German industry base and even Spain will be able to carry some weight.

UK needs some partners, which will not be easy to get. The names which are propagated by the UK like Japan and India aren't very big in the aerospace field

fuck off back to plebbit/kikebook/twatter, niggerfaggot.

Do we know anything about the FCAS yet? Will it be another Eurotriangle?

do you really believe that europe will fucking let uk again in?

they had one fucking job with the neuron with exhaust and eventually it was the greeks that perfected it
just to give you an idea of what clusterfuck that country is

FCAS won't let the UK in on it though, brexit kills any hope of involvement.

No, now eat your air or you'll not get any worter for dessert ya piking taffer.

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Friendly reminder that the UK is a joke of a country, a mere sad shell of it's former self with no military presence or relevance whatsoever on the global scale doomed to suck America's big dick forever. If people back in the empire knew that this was the UK's fate they would've killed themselves out of shame.

The UK will beg France and Germany to join them.

Brexit 2.0?

what is it you think the french or germans could offer that the british dont already have?

its not technical expertise, the british are better at jet engines than either and did by far the major share of EF2000 development

Procurements for the upcoming EU army

>what is it you think the french or germans could offer that the british dont already have?

Money and several nations buying the aircraft to increase the production numbers and thus decrease per-unit costs.

It's one of the reasons why a genuine "EU Army" is out of the question aside from a NATO style "Signatories of Maastrich And Rome Treaties" or S-MART alliance. Military procurement economics favor multiple countries with multiple militaries and multiple forces buying the same gear to decrease per unit costs rather than centralisation or federalisation. The military industrial complexes core inefficiencies thus make one of the biggest stumbling blocks to a united earth government forming.

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>UK firms literally coded 95-98% of the F35s software.

No wonder that fatnik aircraft is such a unstable piece of shit. How could mutts allow pakistanis who can't even brush their teeth to develop criticial flight systems software for their F-35?

that would be sad yet typical of them

Love that nonsensical claim

>That's why I always LAUGH MY ASS OFF at absolute idiots who think that UK/France/Germany/Japan/Turkey etc can build a credible 5G plane.

>naming turkey and japan together with UK/France/Germany

So you got no clue. Japan only license builds US shit at most, or straight up buys it. They have no critical industry capability at all.

UK/Germany already build a 5G plane
France has build ~4.5G rafale on its own

>Tempest claims to be 6G... which makes me laugh 10x harder.

Americans are not very bright. Dumb people are easily entertained.

>Here's a fucking clue to all you vassal maggots: only the US can build a true 5G

F-22 has no proper FLIR, no real sensor fusion because it lacks the sensors for it, the TVR is useless except maybe for supersonic drag trim and a dead weight, stealth is a meme, no internal weapon capacity, no effective BVR missiles and the short range missiles are mediocre. No towed jammer, no hardkill system ..... jeez better not get close to any real enemy with that garbage.

F-35 has no thrust, can't turn for shit, massive drag on the bird, can't climb, can't go fast. Engine reliability questionable at the power level required for VTOL nonsense ..... good enough to drob bombs on hadjis maybe, but really just an expensive excuse to finance industrial military complex.

>Taking the Eurofighter from concept to actual aircraft took the expertise of BAE. Germany ultimately contributed very little other than hoovering up workshare they didn't deserve.

Yeah, sure. Because germany has zero history of building planes.

Try building EJ200 engines without MTU delivering the hot turbine, compressor and burn chamber part. OOPS.
Try building IRIS-T or METEOR missiles without MBDA germany delivering the sensor tech and the thrust vectoring and scramjet. OOOPS.
Name one single fucking company who has experience with thrust vectoring and fly by wire firmware? MBB aquired that during X-31 program.

Fucktards. MUH COUNTRY MOST IMPORTANT. Yeah sure.

>The next failure for the UK in expanding non European partners.
And another failure:

>Rolls-Royce pulls out of race to power Boeing's new commercial plane

>Rolls-Royce is pulling out of the contest to power Boeing's proposed New Midsized Airplane (NMA).
>The firm had hoped to supply its next generation UltraFan engine.
>Shares in Rolls-Royce fell on Thursday after announcing a pre-tax loss of $3.9bn for 2018.

cnbc.com/2019/02/28/rolls-royce-pulls-out-of-race-to-power-boeing-797-plane.html

that explains a lot uk was also the one that coded the firmware of the first ariane rocket and forgot to change from 16bit to 32 bit..

At this point the question is who's going to vassalize the UK first, the EU or the US

>5g

eh the fcas is a 6th gen not a 5g
at least get your shit together before shitposting

>Japan and India aren't very big in the aerospace field

kek

Both of them are building their own aircraft and both of them have the ability to launch satellites into orbit.

You seem to be confusing being assigned workshare with having design input.

>Try building EJ200 engines without MTU delivering the hot turbine, compressor and burn chamber part. OOPS.

Rolls Royce did with the XG-40 engine that became EJ2000.

>Try building IRIS-T or METEOR missiles without MBDA germany delivering the sensor tech and the thrust vectoring and scramjet. OOOPS.

IRIS-T is Inferior to ASRAAM and both use an american sensor. Meteor uses a ramjet and a radar that were both designed in the UK by a BAe consortium including marconi - who made the sensor. Meteor like most of MBDA's major projects is managed and built from MBDA's primary facility in Stevenege outside of London.

>Name one single fucking company who has experience with thrust vectoring and fly by wire firmware? MBB aquired that during X-31 program.

BAE.

>Fucktards. MUH COUNTRY MOST IMPORTANT. Yeah sure.

The irony of this statement when you've just posted a load of bullshit.

>Try building EJ200 engines without MTU delivering the hot turbine, compressor and burn chamber part. OOPS.

>Rolls Royce did with the XG-40 engine that became EJ2000.

XG-40 was never completed, and is based on RB199 design from the Tornado in which MTU was also heavily involved for similar components. You seem to have a total lack of knowledge in that area?

>IRIS-T is Inferior to ASRAAM and both use an american sensor.

Complete bullshit, you're just making shit up at this point.

The IRIS-T does not have a US made seeker, US made seekers are vastly inferior for the project goals. The IRIS-T seeker is being build by Diehl Defense in germany.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diehl_Defence

>Meteor uses a ramjet and a radar that were both designed in the UK by a BAe consortium including marconi - who made the sensor.

RAMJET is from bayern-chemie and provides the unique capability of the Meteor.

>Meteor like most of MBDA's major projects is managed and built from MBDA's primary facility in Stevenege outside of London.

Yeah i guess the 1300 guys of MBDA germany are just twiddling thumbs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA_Deutschland_GmbH

>>Name one single fucking company who has experience with thrust vectoring and fly by wire firmware? MBB aquired that during X-31 program.
>BAE.

Aquired during building what plane? Oh right, BAE hasn't build a plane since the 50's.

Shitposters like you should just be outright banned. You google shit for 30 seconds to support a bullshit agenda you have stuck in your head and then do shitty troll posts out of your false reality bubble.

Saudi Arabia, Turkey, or Iran.

He's whipped pal, it can happen to anybody.

>Try building EJ200 engines without MTU delivering the hot turbine, compressor and burn chamber part. OOPS.
Are you suggesting a nation that is known for its turbine expertises, cannot produce turbines, despite it doing so for a wide range of platforms?

And I don't understand your point about MDBA's missiles - since they are separate to Tempest, beyond requring integration.

Though I'm not aruging either way, nobody has anyone suggested that MDBA in Germany sits twiddling their thumbs, neither does MDBA Germany existing contradict the idea that R&D work is done in the UK.

Lastly, BAE has produced aircraft since the 50s (something you can ironically Google yourself).

So what are you trying to say? It is impossible for a nation with an advanced aerospace industry with known skills for airframes, avionics and turbines to produce a jet? Ridiculous like this retarded thread.

Not India/Pakistan?

>XG-40 was never completed

It was, it completed 200 hours of fixed testing in 4000 cycles between 1985 and 1995 and was chosen as Typhoons engine in 1986. At this point, much like with Turbo union, a consortium (EuroJet Turbo) is formed to share manufacturing.

>and is based on RB199 design from the Tornado in which MTU was also heavily involved for similar components.

RB199 is an engine entirely designed by Rolls Royce and won the MRCA competition in 1969 beating GE an P&W. Once the UK design was chosen Turbo union was formed with 40% each goiung to MTU and RR, and 20% going to Fiat. The company was based in Bristol and RR was in overall charge of the manufacture of it's design.

So please tell me more about how I lack basic knowledge.

[x] btfo
[ ] not btfo

I love the plain wrong claims to make the UK great again.

Well, UK lives in a post truth world right now.

>This seething German shitskin ITT desperately trying to discredit British expertise

Why are Germans and their continental pets so seethingly insecure about us?

Okay, that's desperate.

Especially Germany doesn't desperately look for developement partners.

It's really funny watching USA crumble.

>UK
kek'd. After April 1st, you won't be able to watch porn for free anymore!

And they think they can make planes?!?

BAE Tempest was always a knee jerk reaction. Dassault and Airbus announced to develop a new fighter for France and Germany in April, explicitly stating that Britain can only join as a possible partner in the future because of Brexit and UK being retarded right now. And the UK and BAE pulled out some wood model with disturbing fuselage to wings ratio and a bunch of buzzwords. It took them months to realize that the Tempest can't operate from the QE class despite announcing it would be carrier capable. And now 6 months later there are not even rumors that any nation will join them.

It's pretty sad really

>It took them months to realize that the Tempest can't operate from the QE class despite announcing it would be carrier capable.

This was never announced. The UCAV that's to operate alongside it will be carrier capable.

>there are not even rumors that any nation will join them
that's because everyone knows that Tempest is dead.

Tempest right now is not a thing. It was announced and presented as a fast counter to the French-German FCAS announcement but the announcement in July wasn't more than the start of years long feasibility studies which may or not end in an actual aircraft.

theengineer.co.uk/tempest-combat-aircraft/

Brexit completely fucked them. Entire UK economy will be fucked actually.

Can someone photoshop the Tempest frying in the pan?

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>IP count STILL doesn't go up
Jesus, what is with your autism about the UK?

>2 (You)s

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The joke is that this isn't even true

>all those UK carried everything and the other ones were dead weights.

The times when the UK actually was forced to do their shit alone we got the fuck ups called Queen Elizabeth-class, Daring-class, Challenger II or SA80.

The project started afresh in 2015 and they have a list of 60 criteria that the UK is going to judge the programme on.

Work is currently underway to produce the digital design concept which will be presented in 2020 for which they have a budget of £2bn.

If accepted in 2020 the first prototype is expected in 2025 with an in service date of 2035 with Typhoon retirement expected in 2040.

meanwhile FCAS only started a discussion of what their requirements were two weeks ago. they are literally 4 years behind already.

Lets not forget that the whole reason for the fuss about FCAS is that France was told to fuck off by the UK who were not interested in rushing or comprising the design by bringing it forward. France is desperate for a 5th gen so is aiming for a les advanced jet sooner.

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But the FCAS is supposed to be a 6th generation fighter

That's some trolling.