Will the M27 actually replace the M249?
Will the M27 actually replace the M249?
Replace?
No
Supplement?
Sure
No, it'll just shoehorn the transition to the MG4.
I would take it over the M249 anyday, if i could get some 60rnd quadstacks for it that work reasonably reliable.
No, because they were too lazy to put in a quick change barrel, and, iirc, went with short stroke piston instead of long stroke, which means carrier tilt and beating itself to death..
Quick change barrel configurations with long stroke pistons do exist. But the Pentagon is obsessed with getting small arms as wrong as they could be allowed to do so.
God damn, I wish
Maybe if everyone is given 40 round PMAGs
No. The muhreens kind of just played the system to have a new rifle.
It can kind of aid in suppressive fire better than an M16, but really not all much more.
Belt-fed is still where it's at for LMGs in my opinion.
It was also supposed to fire from an open bolt in full-auto, but they nixed that feature too.
No way. The m27 cannot put as much fire downrange as a belt fed. It can definitely complement the m249 until a better belt fed or hi cap mag weapon is developed though.
Although, finding a better belt fed 5.56 weapon than the m249 won't be very hard. In my time as a crayon connoisseur the m249 was pretty much a single shot bolt action with all the jamming it had.
>No. The muhreens kind of just played the system to have a new rifle.
And went with a short stroke piston instead of smuggling in FN FNCs.
‘cause maybe they didn’t want FN FNCs?
Why would they want old fucking FNCs?
Or some old fucks got some kickbacks
>create a program to replace the main battle rifle
>cancelled
>try again
>cancelled
>try again
>cancelled
>ok i give up, let's pretend we're replacing the m249
>approved and funded
ladies and gentlemen, our defense procurement process at work
Because they like Upotte!, I suppose.
Wasn't magazine feeding with no option for belt feeding one of the reasons the Ultimax 100 never really took off?
Is it closed bolt? No quick change barrel?
If so, it will never truly replace the M249
Or maybe cause the Marines wanted something familiar and with parts overlap. Not saying there aren’t under-the-table deals, or that there aren’t some issues with the gun (like notable abuse on the bolt), but marines got what they chose.
the 249 is an outstanding weapon, when it has been serviced in accordance with the manufacturer's specifications. Not like how the U.S. military treats their thirty year old guns after two and a half dirty wars.
The M60 had the same problem. When it was first fielded by combat infantry in Vietnam, they regarded it as the best fucking thing since sliced bread. By the time those same M60s were being carried into Nicaragua, and even later in Desert Storm, they were regarded as mediocre machine guns. The only thing that changed was three decades of lackluster maintenance.
>No, because they were too lazy to put in a quick change barrel
Barrel outlasts the ammo supply soldier carries with ease. No need for quick change. Superior cold hammer forged magic kraut steel.
>and, iirc, went with short stroke piston
ofc short stroke, what else? most prolific, most reliable method of cycling a combat rifle.
>instead of long stroke, which means carrier tilt and beating itself to death..
First, there is absolutely no difference between long and short stroke piston in regards to carrier tilt. The carrier tilt is a legit problem for any piston conversions done to regular AR15's, which is why they're all crap.
H&K is the first manufacturer to solve the problem by adding signficantly more guide surfaces to the carrier to prevent tilt. Ever noticed how the HK416 receiver has an additional 8mm of height right under the picatinny rail? Yeah. Fixed.
>Quick change barrel configurations with long stroke pistons do exist. But the Pentagon is obsessed with getting small arms as wrong as they could be allowed to do so.
God, you're retarded.
Nah... They'll be replaced by THE BEST SAW DESIGN OF ALL TIME. The SINGAPORE Ultimax 100 will replace all the shit M27 once USMC top brass and H&K Executive scum got prison sentence because of corruption and backdoor dealing during the SAW acceptance trials.
With the Ultimax's relatively slow rate of fire would belt fed rounds even be a benefit? That thing is slow for a LMG.
What I'm hearing is that we need to adopt the M60E4, and invade a jungle country. Oh, look, a Venezuela.
theres also the fact that M240B surpasses the M60 in almost every category except weight
so what people used to think was awesome just feels dumb in comparison
while the M60 has a niche use for people who need a 7.62x51mm at squad level due to its lower weight
the M240 is just one light weight variant away from taking that away as well
I think just taking off the forend and heatshield shaves almost a pound and a half. Or atleast that's the weight difference between the 240B and the other MAGs I've seen.
The M60 actually has one cool advantage in that even with same barrel length configurations as a 240 the M60 is always far shorter due to the action being to the rear
>The only thing that changed was three decades of lackluster maintenance
No, the important thing that *didn't* change was not buying new guns after 30 fucking years of abuse. Nobody asks for brand new models or a new round of trials for experimental weapons; just make more of the same proven design fresh from the factory. We already know the US Military has its priorities really screwed up about everything but not keeping their infantry supplied properly is one of their worst offenses.
does any army still field .30caliber weapons at the squad level, or has the SAW concept made such a thing obsolete?
the M60 was used at the squad or platoon level because the M249 didnt exist yet, but these days the M240 is mostly used as part of a heavy weapons platoon rather than embedded in the infantry
at least to my knowledge
would there even be a reason to go full wehrmacht and have such a big machine gun for infantry?
Its not standard, but Mk48s have filtered down to regular units in some places.
>It was also supposed to fire from an open bolt in full-auto, but they nixed that feature too.
Drop mag, BHO activated, airflow enhanced. Its fine
7.62 Maximi is pretty much standard for Infantry sections in RAR. We usually have in an 8 man rifle section: 2xM203, 2x machinegun, 4x rifle. For the last 20ish years it was all 5.56 Minimi but we are getting more and more Maximi. Everyone has an ACOG or Elcan Spectre DR so it's not like we can't reach out and touch people 600m+
Huh? Didn't that Aussie still using M60 and FN Mag as standard GPMG?
I hear that some guys prefer mk48s over 416s.
the fnc fucking sucks
the M60 is much better for firing from the shoulder
I mean. An ar upper is pretty easy to change. 2 pins.
The only M60s you will find in Aust these days are vehicle mounted (thankfully).
>Those digits
OH SHIT, pepper your angus user, you done did it now.
Fair enough, I didn't mean to imply that unit armorers weren't doing their job rather that they weren't empowered with the tools to do their jobs, namely new parts (or guns) as needed
The M27 is honestly not a bad concept, despite Jow Forums despising it for its association with the USMC. It shouldn't totally replace belt-fed weapons, sure, but it has its place. That being said, the Muhreens pretty much just used it as an excuse to adopt a new rifle and made me look like a retard for all those years I defended it as a concept, so, yeah.
I imagine the combat environment in Afghanistan is to credit for that filtering of 7.62 REAL FUCKIN NATO down to the unit level. You have to be able to return fire at that asshole two miles away arc firing a DShK from a mountain across the valley with something that isn't just duck and ask for CAS.
guyiez the RPK isn't really gonna replace the RPD is it? muh belt fed! muh belt fed!
Is this true?
>777999
Based digits of truth.
I can hear the autistic screeching about oil already. Digits of truth.
It's an American RPK. By and large it will replace the m249 in infantry roles like the RPK did for the RPD.