Damn

Why is 44 magnum so low?

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Grey bars on the graph mean the sample size was too small, but who gives a fuck about .44 or .32 ACP anyway

They couldn't find enough of the attacker to come to a conclusion on if it was in fact the attacker.

*44 Magnum

>not carrying a .30 carbine blackhawk on your hip

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Most people can't hit shit with the big gun.

>I don't believe they got this specific, but how likely is this, honestly?

I'd say a lot more likely than .44 magnum simply being turbo weaksauce.

>firing only one shot
even if i got them in the head, i'm shooting at the very least 3 times

I guess not a lot of people carry a 44 big iron, that being said I now want a 629 for concealed carry

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Echoed, If I'm in a situation where I think I'm pulling the trigger once, I promise I'm pulling it at least 3 times, so go ahead and slide the .45 stat down a little more for me

>source: my ass LOL

This seems more relevant

Statistics may be manipulated, but you're a moron who clearly doesn't understand a simple picture.

>one shot stops
Who the fuck fires once?
>Boomers fire once.

You poor, illiterate retard.

who would carry a .44 mag?
>boomers would carry a .44 mag

I mean, if it fits it ships

>doesn't differentiate between shot placement other than "wasn't a hit to the arms or legs"
>doesn't even report on the circumstances of the shootings like distance, relationship, and reason for shooting
>self published and unreviewed white paper that refuses to provide any of its underlying data to prove that it even exists let alone that the guys math is correct
Putting too much stock in OSS studies in general is a poor decision, but it takes a special sort of stupid to take the ellifritz ""study"" as gospel.

do you feel lucky... punk

>40 owners were more accurate as a group hitting vitals.
Probably this. Cops are better shots than your average Joe. You may claim some magdumping meme, but it's fact. The vast majority of bodycam vids show some good shooting and plenty of one shot stops.

Not a service round, and very few people choose to carry it, and for good reasons. .40 is the updated 10mm, just use that. Idk why 10mm is such a meme on here. Look at ballistic tests. Same exit wound characteristics, damn near same penetration (minus 1-2" in gel which would be like 0.5-1" less in flesh/bone), and for a fraction of the cost with better recoil control. You're an idiot if you opt for 10meme over .40, and you're still kind of an idiot if you get .40 unless you got some moose to kill or something.

Failure rates are often more important than success rates.

Success rate of 98% and 99% seem pretty similar, but failure rate of 1% vs 2% makes it clear that one is twice as likely to not work.

Isn't it kind of difficult to prove a one shot stop when you drop 8 rnds of 9mm into a guy? How is that determination made??? Cause if you're just counting how many times the trigger got pulled then I can tell you virtually 0% of shootings involving cops make the cut

noize, now my Makarov is a mini .45

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I'm assuming the "one shot stops" are the shootings where only one shot was fired. There's plenty of bodycam vids where that's the case, but when you're carrying a minimum of 45 rounds your tactics change up a bit and you don't mind dropping half a mag when it's to save your life. If you're out there carrying one of those cùcked subcompacts, you better know how to drop a guy in 1-2 rounds, because if he has friends or a fuck ton of meth on board you're fucked. I'd retrain my Mozambique drill to be one chest, reassess, one head if that were the case but I carry a 13 round compact.

Based and thanked

I.. I don’t even know what to say this.

.....yum?

Just remember: the mak and cheese is safe, but don't eat the brownies.

brainlet

>.45 isn't as good as 9mm

Boomers BTFO.

>implying these are evenly sampled
so a lot of cops shooting drug addicts with their .40s and randos killing each other with saturday night .32 specials are the only things that came to real-life 50/50 and 70% if hit in the head

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Biggest thing that should be gathered from this study is that 357 magnum is the perfect cartridge

You’re a noguns.

>.357
>Not .50 African Eliminator

.44 Ruger super Blackhawk with a bisley handle.Elmer Keith says if you don't know how to kill with a fucking .44 then "git gud,nigger" fuck this gay little chart.

the one you’re linked to is actually irregardless of weather the shot hit or not

Also most of that gay shit would be stopped by a cinder block.the .44 kills bears and shit.good bait my dude fuck.

>.50 African Eliminator
my sides may never recover

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more infopgrahs.
basically all pistol cartridges suck. the end.

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small but readable

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>basically rifle cartridges are nearly equivalent to .32 acp, according to this graph. the end.
This is your brain on OSS studies.

The real news is in the failure to stop rate and incapacitation rates.

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You sound like a bitter old kike with a aversion to reality my friend

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Do these include suicides? The fact it doesn't clarify the scenarios included makes me very skeptical of the actual relevance of these numbers.

u mad

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What a fucking stupid question.

>It could simply mean that. 40 owners were more accurate as a group hitting vitals.
Even if you get the vital organ hit percentage, this may also mean that .40 owners simply become less accurate because they're .40 owners.

MMMMM
I too enjoy shells
Annies?

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Small dataset.

>tl;dr handgun cartridges have no statistically significant impact on your own chances of defeating an attacker
Who'd have thought?

>10mm
>10000% chance of 1-shot-stop

I'm betting 9mm ranks worst because cops and gang bangers mag dump it all the time.

skorp4life

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Part of it may be, but Ellifritz's dataset includes a lot of military shootings, which naturally involve 9mm FMJ.

This thread is proof that statistics should be taught in public school and anyone who can't pass it should be sterilized.

Even then you are going to being firing more than one because the vast majority of military pistol use is house clearing.

honestly this, theres not a significant advantage to 10mm over 40 in killing men. I can understand wanting 10mm for thicker game animals and predators though where penetration is essential but humans just arent deep enough to make use of 10mm.

... and also because 9mm FMJ is shit at stopping people.

Only 3 arrows, different lengths, look like cheap wood shafts used with 40lb or less practice bows?

Am I wrong?

10mm isnt even listed

From the 9mm all the way to the .38 the percentage is so close it falls within the margin of error. I would lower the fail tolerate for both the 9mm and the .45 as they used military data. That is fmj data against military combatants. That's not The same as Joe on the street. They also had significantly more data to pick from for the .45 and 9mm and .40. The .40 does not suffer from tainted fmj ammo data. So the fact the .45 is so low in this failure rate chart is a testimony to its...stopping power. The OP proved the point he was trying to refute. Jackass.

does this mean if i shoot a guy 3 times with a 9mm it's 100% guaranteed that 1 of the shots stops him

60% of the time, every time.

good point, if the sample is too small then the number is meaningless

in any case, not enough info. this is a raw number, a single number trying to describe a multi-faceted event

it leads to speculation like this: 22lr is high on the list... lots of target shooters who wouldn't miss?

Or lots of Hi-Standards shoved up lots of noses?

9mm nogs use fmj in over half of gang shootings

Its off the charts

If it was just a flat 34% chance per hit then three hits would give you a 71% chance to stop him. But since the events here aren't independent like three different rolls of a die then... we can't say that and instead have to look at a bunch of shootings to see how often the target was still going after the third hit.

Not in the slightest; whaddaya know, the antifa fag is a poser.
t.archeryfag

My guess would be lots of .22lr rifles.

Nice digits
Also at what distances are these taking place?