Would it be possible to make a full-body suit of armor using tools, kevlar, and level IV plates?
Would it be possible to make a full-body suit of armor using tools, kevlar, and level IV plates?
Daniel Brown
Jonathan Garcia
Oddly enough, no
Julian Young
of course.
it would be really heavy though.
Brayden Sanders
Would cutting them weaken the structural integrity?
Blake Reed
no but if you hold a car door up you can't been seen by infared
Hunter Perry
You don't need those plates. Use a small overlapping scale pattern.
Daniel Jenkins
>he's never cut plates
Jason Cook
too heavy
Adam Torres
The problem with level 4 is that it isn't multi strike really, even the ones that claim they are.
Also: ceramics transfer lots of energy into the impacted user, because they function sort of like a crumple zone on a car, but hard.
You could in theory weld together those level 3+ steel fucks, but a full set of those is already so heavy as to warrant dumping the side plates, so unless you specifically trained you would have trouble moving and going from actual cover to cover.
Not to mention that with either set up all someone has to do is whip out the big guns, or the fast small guns (even some 5.56 rounds and closer ranges)
And your armor becomes a tomb.
Ayden Murphy
Lv III+ with a exoskeleton would be virtually immune to most bullets at most ranges, while ceramic armor will eventually fail. Contrary to popular belief, you will be shot multiple times, that's why Israelis use steel plates, because of the close combat nature of their battles means that being shot 3-5 times in the chest is very likely.
Nathaniel Scott
The Israelis are tards and conscripts who suck at infantry-level war. They win because their technology is good and enemies are mediocre.
Ceramics will stop 3-5 shots without a problem. That's why American grunts (and every SF unit in the world) use ceramics.
Ryder Collins
>lvl III UHMWPE helmet (with ceramic front plate), gorget/bevor, shoulder, side, abdomen, and thigh plates
>level IIIA soft armor covering gaps
>lvl III+/IV PE/ceramic hybrid for chest/back multihit/AP protection
>refrigerator cooling loops around torso
>lower body exoskeleton with helmet-linked spine to stop neck snaps and BFD
>non-rechargeable lithium-air batteries to power exoskeleton for over 12 hours battery life
It would weigh about 150 pounds, and wouldn't provide full-body rifle coverage, but it's definitely possible.
Daniel Ramirez
>ceramic stops 3-5 shots
No. This is only with a 3" spacing, ceramic will fail if this isn't adhered to, which taking multiple rounds in close battle is virtually a death sentence. Israeli troops have more than 90% of their firefights within 100M, this is why they use bullpups and steel. Israeli infantry are mostly mechanized, so they get in and out of vehicles and then clear buildings, something bullpups excel at.
Hudson Gomez
Possible? Yes. Useful? No.
Camden Clark
>muh shot spacing
>clear buildings, something bullpups excel at
I stopped taking you seriously when you took Israelis seriously, and I see it was the correct decision.
Joshua Carter
waiting to see you on the nightly news...
Tyler Hall
Lithe upper can be done in under 40lbs. That puts it as light or lighter than mil spec offerings.
Luis Ramirez
>implying bullpups don't excel at cqb
>ignoring all the wars Israel fought
>ignoring the ass raping they gave the Soviets
Thanks for proving how stupid you are, keep dickriding your toilet plates and rifle that can only kill someone with 1$+ ammo.
Ayden Gomez
>Isarelis use steel plates
[citation needed]
Jaxon Adams
Waht are you planning OP?
Christian Baker
You could try this
tarantulapettingzoo.com
And add in ar 500 steel plate. Which you can buy from alot of welding shops that have do anything with rock crushing or mining. Add steel chest plate, femoral strips on you thighs with the fiberglass soft armor. Or buy kevlar cloth. And test these home brews against common calibers. 7.62x39, 5.56, .308 etc.
Andrew Rogers
Also you can add in some of this with a steel backer for rifle threats
William Lewis
OP is becoming iron man as we speak
Brody Nelson
It's believeable. Conscripts wouldn't know any better, and it makes little difference if they never face AP ammo or walk farther than 200 meters at a time.
Henry Morgan
>It's believable
It's also horseshit and homie needs to cite his sources if he's gonna throw that around like it's fact. The closest thing to corroborating that I've been able to find is that apoarently Israel sometimes uses level III ceramics instead of level IV.
There isn't a modern professional army on the planet that uses steel body armor. It's purely a meme for LARPing civilians and 3rd-world militias who would swap steel for ceramics in a second if they could.
Gavin Thompson
That could be applied to this entire board.
Luis Rivera
A46100 is used however.
Brandon Cruz
>what is spalling
Daniel Williams
>The problem with level 4 is that it isn't multi strike really, even the ones that claim they are.
>all level 4 plates are the sames
>the dozens of videos of people shooting level 4 plates multiple times doesn't exist
Thomas Peterson
Of course it's possible.
Leo Thomas
Israel makes use of a Level III/IV dual-rated solution produced by Mofet Etzion called "LIBA", or "Light Improved Body Armor". These plates consist of Alumina pellets embedded in a ultra-high-molecular-weight-polyethylene shell that are capable of withstanding 20+ hits of .30-06 M2AP per plate. Weight is only somewhat more than a monolithic ceramic, but it all depends on pellet density when you're talking about areal density. The technology was licensed out to TenCate, which in the past supplied M993-rated LIBA plates to the Austrian Jagdkommandos.
Level IV plates, as per the NIJ 0101.06 Standard, are only required to be single-hit. However, NIJ-certified plates are generally more overbuilt than they are underbuilt, and with shot placement respected Level IV plates can most definitely be multi-hit depending on the threat at hand, even if they are not advertised as such. Some solutions, such as Armored Mobility's "Layered Ceramic" plate that Doctor Gary K. Roberts tested on Lightfighter could withstand no less than twelve .30-06 M2AP strikes.
It is also worth noting that Level IV is most definitely not the highest rating out there. Even in the late 1990s, Ceradyne was producing 3.9lb plates capable of withstanding eight hits of M995 when backed up by IIIA soft armor, and was also producing SARVIP plates since the late 1980s that served with US Air Force special operations pilots rated for 12.7x108mm B-32 API at 50 meters. This is equivalent to the GOST-BR6 rating in the latest GOST 50774-95 ADD. 2014 standard and yet is not the highest rating around. Ceradyne also produced aircrew plates since 1970, as covered in AFML-TR-69-105 that were rated up to 14.5x114mm. Weights were of course very heavy, but Ceradyne also produced very expensive plates such as the Model AA4+ that were only 4.68lb for a SAPI M (9.5x12.5") that were rated for Swiss P AP 7.62x51mm, which according to the European VPAM standard (VPAM 12 threat) exceeds M993.
Jayden Russell
See here for 2004-era Ceradyne IMP/PACT and standalone armor weight capabilities:
web.archive.org
Jackson Martinez
elaborate
depends on the material being cut and how. obviously torch cutting ballistic steel will bork the heat treatment, but milling and grinding can and do work effectively when done correctly
kevlar (and every other ballistic fabric) is a bitch to cut, and good luck cutting ceramic at all.
dragon skin was uneconomical, LIBA is the way forward
This is a non-issue, there are plenty of multi hit IVs. The real issue is that IV is not rated for level III threats, which is why the III/IV threat level exists
israeli commandos use LIBA because it's superior to steel in weight and protection, but superior to monolithic ceramics in multi hit capacity
>not useful
enjoy your gunshot wound(s)
>AR500
go MIL-DTL-46100E or go home
also don't put fiberglass armor on your body, it's only used as structural armor for a reason
Michael Collins
DragonSkin also fell apart at temperatures exceeding 110 degrees Fahrenheit, which were easily achievable in Iraq and Afghanistan, all while Pinnacle Armor and the later Evolution Armor's lesser-known "Skalaar" system never demonstrated any protective capacity greater than Level III, which never stood ground on the NIJ CPL (compliant product listing) because they could not survive a five year warranty. If you're going to "juggernaut up", then you need something better than temperature-sensitive Level III, even if it is flexible. If it were still available, I would recommend the TenCate PL-7300 once sold by Swedish Body Armor. It is a flexible "Level V" insert made of a Boron Carbide array rated, when ICW IIIA, for multiple hits of M993. Flexible and yet better than DS in most respects. However, LIBA ended up being the better solution for TenCate.
Carson Gomez
You would have to engineer an exoskeleton to hold up the plates but then you have to make it not only possible but realistic for a human to move that giant pile of metal in combat fast enough that you wouldn't be a sitting trashcan