Anti Grizz rounds

Be the bears friend.
They like root beer

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>-t.bella

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There is no creature of flesh and blood that walks, flies, crawls, or swims upon God's green earth that a 12 ga slug cannot put down.

Will it kill a whale?
Or a hippo?
Or an elephant?

>thinking you need a 12ga slug to kill elephants
It's all shot placement user. You could easily kill a hippo or whale with much less than that.

chuckhawks.com/bell_elephants.htm

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Yes. .303 British has been used to kill everything in Africa and a 12 ga can kill anything it can, better.
The only thing I'd doubt the efficacy of 12 ga on would be a whale-SHARK of all things because that have like 6 inches of ridiculous durable skin.
But no one in the history of mankind has had cause to shoot a whale-shark so it doesn't exactly come up often.

Poachers handload shit like old sparkplugs and pieces of rebar into shotgun shells for taking down elephants.

In my 20 or so years of living in the rockies and camping at least twice a year, I have never been in a situation where I had to shoot a bear to defend myself or someone else, so don't get too worked up over it.
Although if it does come to that, just listen to

Don't be a douche nozzle

Bears are basically just big dogs, so shooting you would make you like an ATF agent on steroids

How many griz have you run into?

In Alaska, the most common and proven anti bear round is the 375 H&H. It will literally kill anything that walks the earth. The most common rifle chambered in it is the CZ 550.

45-70 can kill anything that walks on Earth you faggot, now fuck off.

Bell used a 6.5 then a 7mm he also used a 318 wesley Richards.(.333) the one thing all those had in common was the bullet. All used long for caliber solids. Bell stated that for penetration and for the bullet to travel through the thick skull and them back out the other side and not get deflected a bullet should be 4 times its width in length. Basically stand up 4 bullets side by side and that's how long it should be. Bell stopped using the 6.5 because he found a bent bullet. The man was an epic bookkeeper and this was a business for him. He was so thorough we know he fired and average of 1.5 shots per elephant kill with the 7mm. He moved from the 6.5 to the 7mm. He loved the 318(333) and could allegedly hit flying waterfowl with it. He had a batch of ammo that was bad. The cases split. As that is not desirable while you are traversing places like northeastern Uganda on foot, he wouldn't use it anymore. He did however state it was was he thought the perfect round. Later in life he sang praises of the 30 caliber and said if he was to go then he would have chosen a 30 caliber. The 308 was new and he liked the 06 very much. He said he found the 308 interesting.
Short version chucking and ounce of lead at thick spongy bone covered in fat and thick skin isnt going to do shit. Swahili used to fire blackpowder rifles with lead balls bigger than that and the old hunters would find the remnants years later.
Its about bullet choice and placement. Especially when the heart is the size of a fucking kitchen stove. Bullet sized holes ain't doing shit.

>pills

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>I honestly think...12 gauge would just piss it off
If you think a 12 gauge slug wouldn't absolutely destroy a bear then I don't think you realize how powerful shotguns are...

This

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>In Alaska, the most common and proven anti bear round is the 375 H&H.
No it isn't.

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Not too many actually, it's probably in the single digits. I try to avoid their territory and I don't leave my food out in the open to attract them.

It is possible kill an attacking bear with a 5.45mm round. A semi-auto AK74 derivative got used to defend a hiker successfully.

thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/robert-farago/ak-hiker-kills-bear-with-ak-74/

06?

People who carry occupationally in Griz country (think foresters, hunting guides, ourfitters, horse packers, people whose jobs put them at elevated risk for Grizzly attack) almost universally carry pump-action 12ga shotguns loaded with 3" slugs.

t. Forester.

I don't.

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1) where do you work?
2) what do you do?

Yes, make sure you get it into your eyes and make eye contact with the bear. Bear spray has special properties that makes everything avoid eye contact with you and awkwardly shuffle away

Don't listen to this faggot he's trying to get you killed.

If you get that shit in your eyes it's gonna hurt like fuck, just like DEET. You wanna close your eyes and mouth then liberally spray your entire body. This will repel the bears.

Guns are more effective than bearspray. Your stats are skewed because hipster faggots that don’t carry guns spray itnat every bear they see

Buy a nugget and poke it with the bayonet from 50 yards away

You're a retard, ask me why.

There have been at least 3 cases in Alaska where 9mm has killed a grizzly.

why??

41 Magnum is the patrician’s choice.

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12ga pump with foster slugs will do very fine. it also is a great survival rifle considering you can shoot buck, bird, slugs and get a 22lr insert too - all in one gun. that being said, .375 H&H Magnum or .338 Winchester Magnum are the most common and best big game rounds/all-round rifle cartridges .

I fantasize about hunting poachers. I would enjoy very much punching a sparkplug through their undersized negroid skull

largest ever grizzly kill was a native girl who domed a bear in the temple with a .22

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did it rattle around in the skull?

10mm

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7.62 x 51 or more energetic if you want to ensure one shot stop, otherwise literally anything given good enough shot placement and time.

It’s made of flesh and bone, not fucking steel plates and concrete. Your number one main concern is how confident are you at making well placed shots on a moving target?

>Bear poster detected.

why?, your not defending yourself from a bear 600 yards away

Almost any round can kill a bear, the thing that's going to be important is shot placement, followup shots, and running like a fucking madman if that doesn't work.

Do not climb a tree or other structure as the bear can easily do the same. Do not bother trying to go for water, bears can swim faster than you. Just book it and serpentine if you're out of shots and hope it bleeds to death.

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This should be higher up

elephants and rhinos

You know that 41 magnum is about as powerful as 44 magnum, right? What about either of those cartridges makes you think 600+ yards?

41 magnum has a better coefficient than 44 magnum, it makes it the better choice when hunting (the only reason 41 magnum still exists), not shooting a charging bear, Hot 44 mag loads are always more powerful point blank than the spiciest 41 magnum but at hunting ranges 41 magnum shines

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Is it your first day here?

00 buck is like nine .32 pistols firing at the same time. A 1 oz slug will penetrate enough to blow a bears spine out its back. 12 ga works fine.

Did you even read his whole post?

Hippos probably as well.

45-70 only has energy and flat trajectory to speak of within 100 yards, which is why no one hunts with the 45-70; they defend with it... 375 H&H has substantially more energy and flat trajectory to over 500 yards, which is why people not only hunt with it, but it is also the most common cartridge used in African Safaris. In Alaska, I can find the 375 H&H at sporting goods store, but 45-70 is nowhere to be found...

.357 is good for anything under 1000 lbs. For big fucking bears use a .44 magnum, or .454, these calibers were developed for a reason

If your worried about fucking polar bears or you just wanna have the biggest baddest most unwieldy handcannon possible, use one of Smith and Wessons super magnum calibers like .460 or .500

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People have been getting killed by bears for hundreds of years

Fuck off faggot, anything that penetrates less than 24" is a no go for even black bears. .223 is a fucking varmint round that's anemic against deer.

Fuck off Yogi

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*10mm

>he thinks she shot it with a round as powerful as a 22lr

9mm pocket pistol, hardcast lead.
americanhunter.org/articles/2016/8/10/alaska-outfitter-defends-fishermen-from-raging-grizzly-with-9mm-pistol/

Yep

>liberally
Nah, that sounds like some commie shit to me.

Had some retard use conservatively as liberally and spaz when I corrected him calling me a leftist faggot.

10/10 would remember that conversation humorously again.

Sauce? I find this interesting and wish to learn moar

>no one hunts with the 45-70

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>ywn be crown price frederick on arctic patrol with your trusty sled dogs

>It’s made of flesh and bone, not fucking steel plates and concrete.
Nice disinfo, bear shill.

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Jesus fucking Christ. Grizzlies look like something out of a goddamn video game.

That's anti bear propaganda

i think bonefrog has some of these up atm
they're apparently marketed for Alaskan Kodiak bears
Should work on Grizzly's too

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I mean... You're not wrong

.375 is ne of the most common for several reasons. One being Taylor(quite an interesting life he had) wrote a book on African cartridges. While Bell was done his hunting before the Elephant band, Taylor hunted before and continued on as a "poacher" in some areas and a hunter in others. As well as everything else in Africa. One of the cartridges he spoke most fondly of was the 375 H&H. The result being because he spoke of its balance of power and recoil in well made guns it was labeled the smallest legal caliber for big game in many areas. Hence its popularity. We know from hunting before the bans and sensationalized stories from the hunters who came after Bell that the big bore meme is silly. Jack O'Connors wife dropped an elephant and every other maner of big game with an 30-06. One shot at that. The 9.3×62 the 338-06 and the 318 Wesley Richard's are probably the real worldwide take any game on earth calibers. 30-06 and 8mm being next in line.
I do however agree as Roosevelt found out. The American big bore calibers all shot short fat bullets back in the day and lacked the penetration needed for big thick skinned game in Africa. Multiple shots were needed when one should have sufficed. From what I gathered Kermit must have been one hell of a cool hand and great shot on safari.

Zangief literally wrestled bears into submission. I'm pretty sure you can take it down with a shotgun, retard.

>sold out
thanks user
now we all gunna die in bear attacks

actual site does for real have it rn tho

You spray the person you're with and then run away, leaving them as fodder

too late user
I hear bear noises outside my door

test

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your'e not camping in grizzly country and everyone knows it
bring a dog infected with the parvo virus and wipe out the entire ursine population. bear problem solved.

Bear bone is like 10 times denser then human bone, hollowpoints in many calibers will straight up flatten out on their skulls without fully penetrating.

Many a hunter has actually just knocked a bear the fuck out then realized his mistake too late.

My fathers friend is a high up guy in Alaska fish and game

He said he dumped a 15 round mag of 9mm fmj at a dead brown bears head and it bounced off the skull

It sounds retarded, but he has more credibility then you Cantonese ball peen hammer collecting forum friends

bump

That was an amazing read. Thanks. Post it again - maybe someone could make it into images that could be posted.

It doesnt hurt to answer the question, maybe someone else could use it even if this particular user doesnt?

That's a big garnet

for you

I'm not too concerned about Grizzly or Brown bear

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Slug rounds exist, dipshit

Also, .45-70 levergats

Bear spray is actually statistically more effective for not getting mauled. A gun mostly makes sense for actively hunting bears