How long does Jow Forums think australia could last against a chink invasion?
Just point out birds are eating their grain
>China
>Effective militarily against anyone but they’re own citizens
Pick one
Send packs of feral Abos high on petrol to attack them.
Do they carry song and dance troupes?
Chinese infantry doctrine is ancient. Their officers don’t have experience maintaining long logistic lines over contested space.
They don’t have very much offensive experience at all.
Their ability to transport vehicles to Australia is incredibly limited without the capture of an airfield and airspace.
Meaning the initial invasion would be about equal footing as far as numbers go, with Australia having more fighting vehicles by quite a bit.
So they’ll probably be driven back into the sea before they can be significantly reinforced.
Same way as now, doing nothing and letting them buy the country
Used to be in the strategic studies the line was stopping the enemy landing tanks in Australia after which war was over we lost and rest didn't get considered. Chinks can do that now so - about as fast as Type 71s travel from China to Australia.
Haven't they completely changed and modernized their military after seeing soviet tatics fail in iraq, even more now with xin I would guess
Did you not realize ausfags are already losing to a chink invasion?
two days max as an organized military force with C2. then, it would be an insurgency battle which could last years. but it would be all over for them after the first few weeks.
send in the aussie chinks and tell them that if we lose Australia will be flooded by mainland chinks. they will fight tooth and nail to keep that from happening
Well it's the same worry that American planners should have if we begin to look to near-peer adversaries as our next big step.
I'll use an example that's already played out - the Egyptian armed forces. Dictatorships, communist countries, military juntas, those type of countries depend on their military to also be their police force. When your military is busy being a police force - it makes it hard to train effectively to fight a land war. Similar thing to counter-terrorism, but to a much different level.
Chinese soldiers are trained to repel invasions, and to smother localized rebellions. The fact of the matter is that they're more than likely glorified cops at worst, and militiamen at best. They have no real seasoned legion of combat veterans, and their non-commissioned officer corps are just the meanest privates jumped up.
Doesn't matter if President Xi realizes that his tactics won't work, the troops aren't trained for it.
America wouldn’t let that happen. and there’s nothing you can do to stop us stop you chang
the poisonous wild life, harsh climate, crocodiles , box jellyfish, sharks, emus, ill tempered kangaroos, ill tempered locals and nasty tasting alcohol will destroy any invasion force before the Australian Army is even close to falling
Don't they already have their own people there? no need to invade, just outpopulate them or use their insiders to help in a already easy scenario
any seaborne invasion of Australia by china would involve a really long and thin supply chain and be outside the safety of Chinese land based aircraft
the land invasion would also have difficulty with landing sites, an invasion to the north would not capture anything significant and have a europe sized chunk of outback between them and canberra
and invasion to the south is a logistical nightmare as they would have to sail around Australia and through a wide reef
meanwhile, the US fleet would quickly decimate their supply lines due to most of it being outside chinese ground bases
US subs would easily be able to use australian ports as a home base to harass and annhilate attacking chinese vessels while US carriers will have a field day operating with total air superiority against the Chinese fleet
the aussie army themesleves would be able to count on marines or other easily deployed troops in the near term
and a full NATO deployment in the long haul
china extending its army and fleet all the way to Australia would also leave their own country vulnerable and so warships and subs would now have to pull double duty protecting their own shores while also trying to keep US subs away from their landing force
>insiders
I was talking about chinese expats, not ((()))
There are different types of invasions. A little pick, bit like ZOG in Syria, would be to occupy/aquire the northwest shelf oil and gas fields. Would not be as serious as a proper takeover, or require as much.
For proper takeover: I'd land at Brisbane, get a base there splitting the armed forces pushing refugees north and south creating massive havoc on the east coast, put together an invasion force that would swing inland through Toowomba and down to Canberra. By the time Canberra is occupied there is essentially no resistance. The maneuver force would take maybe months to build up, couple weeks to do the job.
Honestly, 6-12 months.
America owns the world's oceans, and will for the foreseeable future. There's no way it would even come close to happening as long as that's the case.
In 6-12 months the entirety of NATO could mobilize to defend the cunts. How do you figure?
Before capitulating? 6 hours max. But until resistance died down? Probably a week.
Fuckin THANK YOU
Not to mention the
>Spoidahs
>Their officers don’t have experience maintaining long logistic lines over contested space
?????
Americans are truly stupid.
sharks would play a huge role in the defense of the cou...... hold on...... what's this?? Yes.... Yes. We're receiving word that the Chinese military will, in fact, not be swimming to mainland....
Where would they gain that experience?
>put together an invasion force that would swing inland through Toowomba and down to Canberra.
holy shit that is such a fucking bad idea, just land in sydney and watch the economy collapse
The idea is to end organised resistance. Incursion, demonstration, shredding of opposition, these are all different levels of invasion. I think stomping Canberra would would be required to conclusively replace the Australian regime/society. To do that- China is a land power. Sweeping the interior divides resistant population and pushes it to the coast, removing resources, both physical and economic capital.
are you an australian? because i can tell you now there are several hundred SAS troopers begging for that to happen, it's only slightly better of an idea than landing in darwin and driving the entire way to canberra in single file with normal trucks
Who do you think pushed for their acceptance and immigration to begin with? For thousands of years, they have been an unwanted minority in our nations and our ancestors nations. They are going to repay us and our descendants ten-fold for every perceived slight.
based and NATOpilled
Cringe and slantpilled
ok schitzo
>take your meds goy
Get a new line and then get fucked
China has the PAP for policing its people. The PLA is for wartime use only.
Not long.
China would first ruin Australia's shit economy that is as diversified as Saudi Arabias by simply not buying their coal (happened), iron ores (about to happen) and enact a tourist ban (would fuckign kill the economy), and then let unemployment and hunger riots spread for a few months before moving in.
Ausniggers have no chance and whitoits will get shat out of Asia as they dont belong here.
The idea would be that by the time you're doing that there aren't several hundred SAS troopers, more like 50 in penny packets. Its an end game, a cleanup operation. And in the scheme of things maybe only a middle-end game since there will still be resistance afterwards. Modern wars aren't like Napoleonic Wars where huge untouched armies crash into each other and everything is decided in a day or two. Its long periods of attrition and degradation of capabilities.
There won't be a us or descendants for it to happen, your woman made sure not to reproduce and keep their privilege at bay
China has already invaded Australia peacefully and the Australian government supports it. Don't you guys know anything about Ausfailia?
Problem is China wouldn't be fighting Australia, they'd be fighting most of the western world and a fair chunk of Asia that thinks China is fucking gay.
Its not like the old days of having some ships sneak up on some sleepy Hawaiian port, you're having to sneak up on a a strategic location that has massive radar arrays that can see into northern China, pick out a fishing boat sized object around the Philippines and then there's the simple fact that all of the eastern hemispheres spy satellites go through Australia.
>Not just some- ALL of them
Basically, Australia knows what China's military is doing, even before China's operational echelon officers know what they're doing (and it drives them fucking insane) So, you've decided to invade a continent, that knows you're coming and its not going to sit there as you sail and fly down there, you've got to drag your sorry asshole through the hell that is SE Asia and all the while dodging cruise missiles, torpedos, strategic bombers, the crazy as fuck asians running around there that hate you more than life itself... and on the off chance some of you get through the shit and land on some godforsaken hell hole where it regularly gets over 45C. You now get to the actual Australians.
It is basically one of those fucking awful scenarios when the WW2 Japanese military at its peak took one look at the scenario when the country was 12 sheep and an angry couple of drunks with shotguns and went "here is no honour here!"
This is Australia's entire armoured force, they wouldn't last a day
>modern M1s vs whatever the Chinese can scrounge up and land in Australia
yeah the M1s are going to win, that's before you bring in the F-18s or F-35s
arguably the hardest part about using the M1s would be transporting them to where the fighting is
>M1A1
>Modern
compared to what the Chinese could land here, yes they are
They could land Roman legionnaires for all it maters, You are hopelessly out numbered
the primary weapon of the ADF is the terrain, mate
good luck concentrating even two tanks against whatever we can throw at you considering you're dealing with a 4000 km supply line
Good luck landing with 0 air support because China has 1 carrier and it's from the 60s or so.
The Romans also knew their limits when they went north of the Rhine with Arminius being used as a mutilated cock sleeve by the inhabitants.
if the US is in a civil war and/or post yellowstone type pocaliypse, where they don't give a shyte about down under...that is when the chinks have the options... ground invasion would only start after a drawn out bombing and air campaign, before the first slant eye sets foot on straya, all major cities must be reduced to red ashes and all navy capabilities liquified.
Then the main show begins
>good luck concentrating even two tanks against whatever we can throw at you considering you're dealing with a 4000 km supply line
what people here seem to gloss over is the fact that you would need to conquer indonesia and/or papua new guinea before you can invade northern australia
then you would need to advance through the outback or take a rounding path by the coast until you reach the southern coast where all the important bits are
they would also be cut off from chinese land based aircraft the whole time, while the US navy could use subs to destroy chinese vessels at leisure
US carriers would basically be unopposed and can attack chinese landing sites or their ships directly with near impunity
japan and the philippines would also give the US tons of places to operate out of and attack the chinese invasion force, unless the chinese are going to invade them as well
US at first, and later numerous NATO countries, could send battalions to bolster ground forces
its not like the chinese can stop them, if they divert subs to try and stop them, they would leave their own coast completely unguarded
The only thing they could do is ICBM our cities, then the Yanks we nuke them.
All said any done, the ADF is only 80,000 strong, compared to China’s millions. We would be entirely dependant on our advanced training and superior technology, but that would, at best, let us hold off long enough for the yanks to arrive.
It’s only really for playing along and fixing America’s fuckups in the Middle East. Come war, we conscript everyone we can and hand them a surplus hi-power and Yank AR-15’s, because there’s no way in hell we could produce enough EF88’s at a decent rate.
It just occurred to me:
If this all started happening, there’s no reason why the US couldn’t just ICBM any cities the Chinese even touched, or better yet, wait till they move in, then nuke the whole fucking place to demoralise the chinks
“We just vaporised 10 million Chinese citizens because your government wants a war.
Better to die in China facing your government than to attack Australia and be turned to dust”
No economy like a war economy m8
Our chemicals come from down south and our guns from half way between Sydney and Canberra.
Going off our emergency fuel supplies...less than 2 weeks.
threadly reminder that to get to any of the important bits you have to march through half of america's worth of barren desert
>let's glass our closest ally
this is some galactic brain thinking
China invented modern small unit tactics and gorilla warfare you fucking retard
>ancient
Means it's been working for 3000 years.
Mate their military is not used for local rebellion suppression, aside from some spec ops. They have another branch for that. How are they going to use a rocket on militia?
>I think stomping Canberra would would be required to conclusively replace the Australian regime/society
Taking out parliament would actually improve the running of our government, provided the MP's were inside when you blew it up.
Its pretty obvious that there are a lot of people posting here who don't actually know a damn thing about my country so let me enlighten you as to why a Chinese invasion is simply not feasible
>Logistics
Australia, much like our mother nation England, is an Island. There is simply no way to invade us without executing an amphibious operation, which is a problem because the nearest ports to Australia are all in Indonesia and the Philippines, which means any land based supply train must travel through thousands of kilometers of jungle along underdeveloped third world tracks through territory including a who's who list of histories greatest insurgents (including both Indonesian Mujahedin AND good old Victor Charlie)
A sea route is no better, as any sea based supply lines must pass through either a series of heavily defended choke points or tens of thousands of kilometers of open ocean, both of which leave your ships easy pickings for our submarine fleet. Things don't get any easier once you land either (assuming you even manage that) thanks to...
>Geography
Breaking the Australian people would require capturing both Melbourne and Sydney (nobody cares about Canberra) which are a) thousands of kilometers apart and b) thousands more kilometers away from any potential landing point.
Simply getting to Sydney from northern Australia would require either traveling down the easily defensible coastline with its many rivers, mountains and built urban areas - or crossing the desert. No matter which choice you take, your supply lines will be cut by Australian forces, as we maintain units with the explicit purpose of staying behind after we retreat from the north to hide in the outback and fuck shit up once the enemy moves south. (1/2)
They can't even fight emus.
Nah M8, if those fuckers start heading towards Sydney, we tell everyone to get the fuck out, go camping for a couple weekends, and once misty everyone’s out and the Chinks are in, like the Russian bro who ordered an airstrike on himself when he was surrounded by ISIS, we’d tell the yanks that if the slanty fuckers want it, to let the slanty fuckers have it.
Worst case, if every city’s nuked, just ship everyone off to the US as refugees, we’d probably all fit into Detroit.
Then glass Australia until there was nothing left worth invading for, and watch the chinks turn back.
Rebuild fortified cities in all the non radioactive parts.
Actually sounds like a plan, can you guys false flag China so we can start! I want some freedom and guns.
Means its been around for 3000 years. and seeing how many times china has been split up and reunified, not very effectively.
I think you're wrong about the capturing of Melbourne or Sydney. Yemen is an example, right now to capture Yemen, the Saudis need to control Sanaa. Canberra is Australia's Sanaa. Without that center, without federation, Australia becomes Perth, Sydney, Tasmania, Melbourne, etc. - regions will negotiate terms. A federal government in exile would not last. In Yemen again, Saudis do not need to "defeat the Houthis" to capture Yemen. They only need to re-make government structures to point of control.
(2/2)
In fact, I personally suspect one of the goals of the northern rangers in an invasion scenario would be to provide the intelligence and support necessary for an operation to retake the enemies beachhead, thus cutting of the entire invasion force and leaving them to either run out fuel and die of thirst in the desert if they were stupid enough to go that way, or to exhaust their supplies of anti air defenses and be slowly ground to paste by the RAAF if they were stupid enough to take the coast. All of this is itself irrelevant before the last and most important consideration however.
>The nukes
There are people out there who think Australia does not posses any capacity for nuclear warfare.
These people are very, very wrong.
Australia contains, amongst its many other resources, roughly a third of all the uranium on earth, it also contains all the knowledge, technical specialists and equipment required to manufacture both nuclear weapons and their delivery systems. We have done neither of these things because we are allegedly a 'peaceful nation' but the truth is that due to the sheer size of our landmass no nation on earth could execute an invasion and occupation of Australia in less time than it would take us to build and deploy a tactical nuclear weapon.
This means, quite simply, that actually maintaining a successful invasion of Australia is impossible. Even if you can maintain a supply line, even if you can capture a beachhead, even if you some take both major cities, you will still find yourselves cut off and you reinforcements turned to dust in a storm of nuclear hellfire - and all this assuming that our many allies choose NOT to intervene
You need to read some of our history, Canberra only exists because Sydney and Melbourne could not decide between themselves which city could be capital - they literally created a state midway between the two cities just so that they could build the capital there and keep everyone happy.
Both Sydney and Melbourne contain all the facilities required to run out government and on more than one occasion actually have hosted parts of the federal government. The most recent example I think of is the High court of Australia which was (and may still be, I haven't checked) temporarily relocated to Melbourne due to planned renovations.
In the event of an invasion the whole government would probably shift down here, not because of my city being better (which it is) but simply because it is further away from the only viable landing sites.
>tfw you feel worried about the future of Australia but remember that the CSIRO could whip up a serviceable Fat Man replica within 6 months
Our official designation (one that we apparently share with japan) is "latent nuclear power" but I suspect that the unbelievably huge stockpile of uranium we have access to might actually put us in the superpower category if we ever chose to use it.
On a state by state basis, Sydney does defence a lot more than Melbourne. Sadly Adelaide is kind of peripheral. And the untrustworthy Sandgropers..
There is a basic problem of maintaining unity and scale across distances to maintain and develop force with a diversity of peoples (inb4 Jow Forums) including 5th columnists of various types, mercenary, whatever. Federation is 100 years.
But I do agree mass mobilization could have an effect. The Houthis are doing pretty well without airpower just by being tough and brave. Favor will continue to swing towards technical superiority over time however, I'm particularly thinking optics and computer imagery. Its going to get comprehensively better than eyesight soon that will be a huge thing. Remember, Australia will be fighting with caveman gear - IEDS and rifles. This scenario doesn't start to fly otherwise, although it is perfectly reasonable to model an invasion of an isolated, deindustrialised Australia. The second part is in place.
>how long would australia last last against a chinese invasion
>mfw australians are still holding out against australia itself
So long as they dont make an alliance with the emus, or run out of booze, theyd probably last forever.
In what way are we deindustrialised? Sure the manufacturing sector is weak but it maintains all the skills and equipment necessary to scale up rapidly as required. It's not like we can be cut off from our supplies either, since we have all the fertile land and minerals we could ever need just sitting around waiting to be farmed/dug up.
We also posess a mature weapons industry an an impeccably trained, highly experienced military that again has everything it needs to rapidly and effectively upscale in the event of total war.
For this scenario you need to consider the Australian military industrial complex not as it is in its current, dormant state. But as it will be once it's given the green light (and more importantly the funding) to begin expansion into a proper war economy.
The fifth column doesn't seem like a problem to me. Our native chinks are here specifically because they don't want to live under communist rule, which means they will be perfectly happy to rat out mainlander spies. The rest of multicultural Australia is only a tiny fraction of the population and mostly refugees to boot, which means they will either fight extra hard to avoid losing this home too, or flee immediately and save us the trouble of looking after them.
Mate you're a fuckwit that knows nothing about Australia. Even the soiboi inner city urbanites hate Canberra and the politicians. 99% of the population would be happy if Canberra got bombed. It wouldn't do anything to stop military capability. The place is too fucking big to take all of, we're talking about taking an area the size of the entire US except with no infrastructure, and up north the whole place is 45 Celsius and 95% humidity half the year and floods. Down south burns down every few months. Cyclones aren't going to stop for a war. Even if you just took melbin and sydney have fun fighting a war of attrition being attacked from the other 7.5 million square km you can't control. You retards underestimate how shit the terrain and infrastructure is and how big this shit hole is and how motivated our military and populace would be in an invasion.
>my city being better (which it is)
lmao this nigga thinks melbourne isnt a shithole
>Our native chinks are here specifically because they don't want to live under communist rule, which means they will be perfectly happy to rat out mainlander spies.
>actually thinking we're not full of spies and china isn't keeping tabs on their expats
I suspect you're baiting with your first paragraph the premises are so loopy. But to comment: the nature of current warfare is to stop things like MIC development before they happen, look at Iran or Gaza for examples.
Underrated tbqh.
We need to get our independence from the chinks, I have no fucking idea why we are trying to end manufacturing, farming etc and just sell our shit to China. We have no fucking reason to be a Chinese vassal when they are actively working to no longer need our exports while we buy all their low quality shit.
Neo-libs will say its fair trade
The last places an invader would be interested in are Melbourne and Sydney, they're giant money sinks and social tarbabies. Far better to reach agreement (a.k.a. corrupt) local governments establishing interim local population management. While conclusively occupying coal, gold and gas fields and man them with imported coolie labor to stop sabotage, prohibit locals from fishing, (sink any fishing boats), reach an agreement with WA to take their wheat as tribute in return for recognition, you get my drift.
You can't stop Australian MIC development in time though, the country is simply too large and to spread out. Even with only token resistance to get past a Chinese invasion could not hope to shut down all the major industrial centres in time, they are literally thousands of kilometres apart and can all operate independently of one another.
>token resistance
You are talking about the army that has BTFO every enemy they have come across when not under British leadership?
based
Australia isn't some havoc wasteland of inhospitable death. That's just a coping mechanism for Australians to boast about their hardiness and toughness.
It's similar to how nigs always boast that their hood is the toughest most ruthless poorest hood to other nigs who swear their hood is the toughest...
If Australians can manage to live there literally anyone who took the territory could as well. You aren't special.
>he thinks the sharks are only in the oceans
Get a load of this seppo
shoo chang, our beautiful land full of resources is a wasteland, don't come here
>havoc wasteland
Ofc not but there is thousands of km's of hot as fuck nothing. The roads are nearly Third World tier. Everything either burns down, blows down or floods multiple times a year. The only other places with as much natural disasters as australia is shitty places like indonesia with their mudslides and other Asian places with tsunamis. The wildlife thing is a meme, I'd be more scared of the mosquito's giving you breakbone fever, but the terrain whether coastal, northern or inland is all inhospitable and infrastructure is laughable. It would be like the euros going through Africa in the 1800s except 10 times longer supply lines and the American navy shooting at you.
>Have some of the largest Uranium deposits on earth
>massive supply of coal and iron ore
>sell all these valuable resources to china, who use it to fuel their booming economy and war machine
>meanwhile we have power shortages
I can't fucking do this anymore
Leopard C2's could take on chink-shit tanks.
Fascinating thanks
"Even I know that's not true, and I'm retarded!"
Why would I want to stop it?
I doubt highly the ability of Australia to defend itself against anyone without help. They do joint training. They keep up on shit. But they are by no means a powerhouse and they have disarmed their citizens. They would be helpless against a large scale ground invasion.
>large scale ground
You, like a lot of anons in this thread, are really underestimating how much fucking nothing there is in Australia. If you land in Darwin and wanted to take Melbourne it would take week just to drive there at full speed. And that's from Darwin, a state capital. And there's exactly 1 road that would let you drive that fast. So realistically it would be the first thing to wreck, giving you at least a 2 week trip to move fucking anything by ground. Through a giant desert with fuck all roads. A ground invasion of Australia from anywhere that isn't close the major cities on the east and south coast is super dumb.
A landing force in the right spots on the other hand is doable. The vast majority of Australia's population lives on the east coast. We'd be fucked then of course. China has like 15 times the amount of ships. I think we have a couple of ships with heli-launch that can be converted to carriers in a pinch, but really we have bugger all in comparison and it's older than fuck. And we have no real production capabilities either.
But that's a lot of coast to cover and they'd have to go all through SE Asia and between us and NZ. Not like those little guys have much but it'd slow them down a bit at least right?
Enough time to set up guerrilla operations that would be a right pain in the dick to deal with.
I'd love to see Chinese supply lines to go through Eucalyptus bushland only to be burnt to death because the abos burn 'em out. We have thousands of km of giant flammable death zones. Hell, we even have birds that light things on fire as a hunting strategy everything is that flammable.
We'd lose invariability but it wouldn't be all over within a month. ANZAC spirit and all that, I think that the citizenship of Australia would be throthing to have a go at anyone that would try to invade. The general public aren't the sort to just roll over and take it, our politicians on the other hand though.
>How long does Jow Forums think australia could last against a chink invasion?
Well Australia is a barren wasteland full of poiionous shit an retards but the chinks are ant men who can't fight so I'd say a eternal war of attrition lasting decades between emus and chinks with final victory going to the emus who then enslave any remaining ausfags and turn them into slave emu egg transporters
>ANZAC spirit
Loosing at Gallipoli and never shutting up about it?
We'd lose invariability but it wouldn't be all over within a month. ANZAC spirit and all that.
Yeah, exactly what I said.
no, going out and losing, then coming back and quietly resolving to never, ever be fucked over like that again
the moment the chinese land in australia they're going to get essentially 1940s germany combined with the blind violence of a nation that has never had a serious war at home
The PLA has already proven to be incapable of defeating civilians
>enacting racist anti-chinese policy after benefiting immensely from chinese trade
>woah they are rekting our economy