Can we have one German tanks thread without shitflinging?
My favorite German tank is the Panther, what's yours?
Can we have one German tanks thread without shitflinging?
Nathaniel Murphy
Kayden Turner
this one
Evan Hughes
It would’ve been an objective failure but it still would’ve been fucking cool
Angel Campbell
So are ya just basically asking for what looks cool and what people have an emotional attachment for?
Carter Johnson
Ratte is too much autism even for me.
Just talk about German tanks in general without the usual "your favorite tank is shit and you should feel bad for liking it"
Grayson Wright
Why the Leopard of course.
Its the only one that won a war
Bentley Hernandez
No skirts?
Matthew Kelly
>tank designs decided WW2
how to spot a retard
Sebastian Garcia
Panzer II. I love early war tanks.
Elijah Rivera
MY FAVORITE GERMAN TANK IS THE SMOLDERING HUSK FULL OF DEAD FASCISTS, DESTROYED BY THE GLORIOUS INVINCIBLE TANKERS OF THE MOTHERLAND
Lucas Morgan
My personal favorite is the M4A1 76mm Sherman. Those curves...
Isaac Ortiz
Klienhilffieshatzekampfwagen
Grayson Cox
my favourites are the ones that look like this
Gabriel Hughes
M36 was kino that or the German Panther didn't like the t34
Ian Perry
I like the Panzer IV.
>most produced german tank
>proven, reliable design
>remained pretty relevant till the end of the war
Ausf J is pure sex. Dem skirts mang.
Michael Nguyen
indeed
David Lopez
>Ausf J is pure sex
J is budget design tho, peak Panzer IV was Ausf. H
Christian Rogers
Fuck I even meant Ausf H, but i brainfarted and fucked it up.
Matthew Robinson
There’s something about those skirts that make it so aesthetic
Benjamin Ward
>how to spot a retard
Does not know who won the cold war
Christopher Lopez
sturmtiger
Cooper Green
Marder and 2A4 are both treadkino
Blake Young
shit tank
Samuel Williams
Lincoln Bell
Mmmm... short skirts.
Austin Adams
Still has forward-mounted transmission, but at least no
>interleaved
idiocy
Jacob Sanchez
What would an actual E50 look like had they been produced? And would it have aesthetic skirts?
Oliver Gutierrez
Probably look like in WoT with stock turret and 88mm L/71 gun.
James Cooper
One on the left is the A1 cast hull. Better survival, more costly construction.
You can see the same thing with some very early M3 Lees
Josiah Morales
speaking of such wunderwaffen, would anyone mind if I asked something that didn't feel like it warrant it's own thread?
I'm working on a bit of an alternate history setting where, during the inter-war period, a game-changing discovery of Adamantine was made. Adamantine's characteristics include being twice as strong* as steel while only a third the weight and ultimately being relatively easy to produce (think only pennies more per-kilogram than normal steel).
And I'm trying to imagine just some of the changes that along would bring, I figure among them, things like the Panzer VIII Maus would have been feasible (since it's weight could have ended up a far more reasonable 62 or so tonnes). But I also wonder if useage of such a metal would have generally seen all tanks get bigger since the increase in durability means bigger guns are needed and with such a light weight to the metal, the tanks would HAVE to be bigger to not blow themselves over from their own cannon fire? (or just lead to designs that involve much wider footprints)
*Yes, I'm aware in metallurgy 'stronger' can be kind of a hazy term since hardness can lead to brittleness and such.
Noah Morgan
>Marder
Based
Damn I wish all those thousands of Marders hadnt been destroyed over the last few years.
Austin Murphy
This one.
> Kwk 43
> The gun that hardly fits on the KT
No.
Thomas Long
Original applique were 5mm plates. The J model is just wire to prevent HEAT warheads and reduced engine load. Panzer H's still literally had the same 300HP Panzer III engine in them.
Caleb Garcia
beachtet mich nicht, bin nur am durchfahren
Alexander Gutierrez
How did East Germans quickly turn from Nazis into Commies?
Thomas Stewart
all tanks are human sardine cans
Blake Hernandez
well, if you are authoritarian and an authority tells you to do something...
you follow orders
Nathan Peterson
They didnt, it took a really long time infact
Christian Russell
The interleaved system wasn't as bad as propaganda says. It allowed tanks like the Tiger and King Tiger, 60-70 ton tanks, to have cross country speeds equal to a sherman. Later they realized they didn't really need that many wheels, so the E50, E75 and E100 went with overlapped roadwheels, which is probably the best system at that time for producing such heavy tanks.
If the allies had tried producing 50-70 tonn tanks, they would have failed much harder than the Germans, trust me. Only Germany was able to build a 68 ton tank that could go 35 km/h, as the suspension and roadwheels spread the weight evenly. When everything worked with the Panther and Tiger, they were miracle tanks, as told by their crews, but they were a beast to maintain and repair. Later design improvements, like the E50 and E75, would make them much simpler to construct and repair, while maintaing most of the quality, but Germany lost before they could
Dominic Moore
They didn't. They just pretended to be commies and became nazis again once commies were gone.
Justin Cruz
The A1 hull is just so smooth. I love it compared to the A2-A3 W I D E B O Y hulls. The extended 76 turret is just... pure sex.
Eli Reed
Were there any kind of insurgency against the Russians?
Landon Nelson
Only very minor stuff like setting depots on fire, putting up wires on throat level and other Werhwolf shit that didn't change anything.
Grayson Stewart
either the panzer iv or this baby. love how low-profile it is
Parker Phillips
This bad boy. Can fit so many nazis in it.
Cameron Garcia
Beautiful
Brandon Sullivan
I won't believe you until you slap the hood.
Leo Rivera
this absolute beauty
Camden Flores
this one makes my wewe the big wewe
William Baker
>Better survival
Where are you getting this information? Cast armor is weaker than rha in equal thicknesses.
Jacob Moore
>dat schurzen
Jaxson Harris
Gabriel Miller
I mean in 1953 there was an uprising of the workers in the "worker's and farmer's state" (Arbeiter- und Bauernstaat), but other then that the CIA backed West German attempts at creating secret stay behind groups and other sleeper cells (think Operation Gladio) failed massively. The DDR made it public and used it as a propaganda tool, since the West German(CIA) goups often recruited veteran cripples and such, since they wouldn't have been drafted and also failed in the original goal to make them radio operators, since they themselves didn't have enough radios or training.
Elijah Harris
It was a vicious cycle: the system allowed for heavier vehicles, which in turn required the system and so on...
Better that the krauts had just stayed with beefed-up Pz. II/III/IV-style bogies.
Isaac Ortiz
VK GANG
Andrew Wright
Posting what i got
Isaac Jackson
Isaiah Gray
Luis Foster
no
Owen Bailey
huh. Looks like some sort of launcher tube, like a PIAT.
Asher Gray
Levi Ross
Hell yeah, Pz.III bois!
Cameron Jackson
Don't listen to lies, Operation Werewolf was successful commies just covered it up
Thomas Wilson
>Ausf J is pure sex
Monkey models are good now?
Ryder Smith
>Better survival
With weaker armor at an inferior angle to the M4A3 75(W)? You really willing to die on that hill?
I don't think so.
Colton Watson
>monkey model
How can something like a Pz IV be a monkey model? There were no export variants to my knowledge.
Jayden Gray
Aaron Harris
Jonathan Rivera
>be ebil nadzis
>losing badly to the red slav tide, mutt menace and rotten teeth brigade
>take Panzer IV
>remove everything necessary like a turret drive, decent exhaust, pistol ports / side hatches, face hardened armor, decent side skirts etc etc
>IDS NOT A MONKEY MODEL BECAUSE IT WASN'T EXPORTED
Whatever you say pal. It's literally a downgrade from previous iterations.
Ian Anderson
Cooper Sanders
Brandon Allen
Nolan Fisher
Evan Baker
whoa dude, I knew they removed the turret drive, but not all that other stuff. but I will argue
>IDS NOT A MONKEY MODEL BECAUSE IT WASN'T EXPORTED
a monkey model, in general context, refers to a purposefully downgraded version for export to foreign militaries?
That has been my impression for the past decade.
William Morgan
Leo Morris
>purposefully downgraded version for export to foreign militaries
At that point it might as well have been.
Mason Lewis
Is that putin?
James Baker
Xavier Moore
True, but that was a result of wartime production limitations, was it not? I believe there to be a distinct difference of making a profit on an exported product, and a product of inferior quality due to material constraints.
I would just call it a downgrade and call it a day
Juan Ross
Noah Reyes
Mason Wood
This is the correct definition. A tank being shitty does not make it a monkey model.
Lucas Peterson
shit tanks that a potato farming peasants could disable with a ptrd-41
Noah Carter
Did they really have a Child Panzer division?
Jace Flores
>I believe there to be a distinct difference of making a profit on an exported produ
Thats not why monkey models exist friend.
Tyler Howard
Oh fuck this got me good
Julian Reyes
Pistol ports and side hatches were removed because their openings which were free on earlier models were covered by Schürzen as of the Ausführung H. The "decent" side skirts being replaced by mesh also were mostly a weight saving measure since the main threat from infantry weapons no longer were the Russian AT rifles but rather hollow charges like PIATs or bazookas, these were not downgrades but rather production streamlining that made sense.
I'll give you the exhaust and turret drive though.
Alexander Rodriguez
>industry completely fucked
>i-it's streamlining!
>w-w-weight saving
Do love me some historical historical revisionism
Jonathan Clark
I’d say it’s accurate to call it a monkey model. The Germans were losing and needed to cut corners in order to keep production up.
The result was a tank that was built along the same lines but was inferior.
A monkey model.
Levi Long
It is exactly why monkey models exist. So that countries like Russia and USA dont get their fancy composite armor copied or studied by foreign entities, like we saw with the six day war with Pattons going to the Russians, and T-62s to the Americans.
Oliver Collins
My favorite german vehicles are also the ones that are destroyed.
A well-placed grenade would also work.
Adrian Lewis
Edgy, I know I'm probably talking to a tankie but the nazi war machine produced some decent tanks. You dont have to be a wheraboo to appreciate WWII armor types.
Anthony Moore
>but the nazi war machine produced some decent tanks.
which
Josiah Gomez
>which
Panzer I-VI
Camden Cooper
jagdpanzer 4, jagdpanther, panzer 4 with the long barrel, hertzer, tiger 1, late model panthers, panzer 3, stug 3. just off the top of my head.
Like literally any armored vehicle ever made, they all had strengths and weaknesses but overall their performance and capabilities generally outweighed their costs, at least when initially deployed and more often then not their weaknesses (mainly logistical) were excabberated massively by influences outside of their control.
Landon Myers
>Jagdpanzer 38(t)
>panzer III, IV, V
>tiger I, II
>Sturmgeschütz III
To name a few, they performed their roles well and many proved very capable against allied armor like the T-34 and KV-1. Most of the limitations of the late war vehicles had more to do with logistical and industrial limitations of Germany than they did the design.
John Stewart
>influences outside of their control.
Jayden Thompson
>industrial limitations of Germany
Luis Kelly
Panzer I-IV
StuG/StuH guns
They made good use of captured equipment.
The rest of their domestic designs suffered from a myriad of issues. Even the Jagdpanzer 38t suffered from abysmal ergonomics.
Asher Ramirez
>let's pretend the allied war effort did nothing to hurt the amount of raw materials and the infrastructure to create.
Either a brainlet or chink trying to play of the ideological divide.