US Univ. Press: Wehraboos BTFO

Jose Gray
Jose Gray

youtube.com/watch?v=Z3pMF_8ik6A

US Army University Press:
Soviets won Stalingrad because of superior tactics and superior leadership despite being outnumbered.
Germans lost because they were cowards, badly led, arrogant and didnt understand the morale of their men, while using mindless zerg tactics.

Here you have it. Official US Army confirms Soviet Russian superiority over the "Ubermensch".

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tali-Ihantala#/media/File:Tali-Ihantala.jpg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suomussalmi
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II

Owen Stewart
Owen Stewart

Cool, vlad.

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Noah Wright
Noah Wright

US army manual commends the way the Soviet officers led from the front.

Compared to German General Paulus, who remained hidden inside his bunker throughout the war.

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Aaron Gonzalez
Aaron Gonzalez

And here, we see that the Soviets were, even on a good day, completely outnumbered by the Germans.

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Jason Morales
Jason Morales

Rollin

William Wilson
William Wilson

Rool

Christian Brooks
Christian Brooks

Not surprising.

Actual military professionals consider Soviet strategies and tactics to be quite superior to the Germans. After all, the Germans lost.

Only /pol/acks cant stop wanking to their dead Reich.

Nathaniel Gutierrez
Nathaniel Gutierrez

Roll

Leo Perez
Leo Perez

says the vatnik, wanking over his dead empire

Jayden Peterson
Jayden Peterson

third battle of kharkov. we know what happens when german logistics are on par with their fighters.

Michael Jones
Michael Jones

This shit is high quality as fuck.
Thanks for sharing.

Xavier Wright
Xavier Wright

Give me the nerd pls.

Luis Ross
Luis Ross

Germans had morale and leadership issues while they were literally freezing to death
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Justin Sullivan
Justin Sullivan

samefag
also guns and timestamp
postem

Brody Harris
Brody Harris

This was still september and the weather wasnt cold yet.
Also, they heavily outnumbered the Soviets in any measure, even on individual unit basis.

Wyatt Butler
Wyatt Butler

Putinbots don't own guns

Austin Cruz
Austin Cruz

How you aircraft carrier doing ivan?
roll

Michael Brooks
Michael Brooks

Putinbots

Do you mean, US Army Officers and Military Academy scholars?

Jeremiah Gutierrez
Jeremiah Gutierrez

Jow Forums gets their facts from movies only. That's why they still believe various hoaxes.

Landon Martin
Landon Martin

2019
scholars praising Nazi Germany for literally anything

These people are smart enough to not get fired.

Parker Moore
Parker Moore

I watched the end. Germans ended up taking the grain elevator when one German officer decided to take matters into his own hands and attack the grain silos himself without telling higher. That was a smart move. Took the Russians by surprise which was his plan.

Jace Morales
Jace Morales

Rolling to spite the vatnik jannies

Jaxon Wood
Jaxon Wood

Still no timestamp, wonder why?

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Noah Kelly
Noah Kelly

two retards fight each other
meanwhile the actual superior western world takes their half of Germany in half the time and 1/6ths the casualties.
B...BUT IT WUZ HARRRDURRRRR 4 US

Leo Myers
Leo Myers

Slut plz

Hunter Walker
Hunter Walker

Individually, some german field commanders were quite good. But they missed the critical big picture and werent well prepared for an urban fight as per US Army standards (thrice the number of troops, accurate reconaissance of enemy concentrations etc.).

A key reason for the German loss in Stalingrad is their obsession with the city itself while missing the massive buildup of forces on their flanks.

Christopher Thomas
Christopher Thomas

You expect them to praise the Nazi or what?
Also, you can criticize Nazis without getting throw into gulag.

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Ethan Reed
Ethan Reed

Yes and that's the wehrmacht in a nutshell. Tactically awesome , strategically inept.

Grayson Robinson
Grayson Robinson

it took the us over 6 months to cross the rhine river after reaching it you retard

Michael Walker
Michael Walker

weebshit

Chase Rivera
Chase Rivera

Rollin

Carter Ramirez
Carter Ramirez

7

David Hill
David Hill

Rollin’

Austin Butler
Austin Butler

go back to /b/ and roll for drinking your cum or sitting on a hairbrush faggots

Juan Martinez
Juan Martinez

roll

Adam Taylor
Adam Taylor

j-just like real life was, haha..ha

Nathaniel Johnson
Nathaniel Johnson

rawl

Justin Mitchell
Justin Mitchell

Go back to R*ddit or resetera

Carter Young
Carter Young

Hope I get the dumpy one.

Nathaniel Hall
Nathaniel Hall

Give me the fuckin tomboy Jesus Christ please

Colton Cox
Colton Cox

the absolute state of wehraboo coping

Looking forward for the government to shut down this shithole for good after what you fags did.

Luis Gray
Luis Gray

FUCK please

Michael Gomez
Michael Gomez

wehraboo cope

Oliver Ward
Oliver Ward

outnumbered
The soviets lost more soldiers in Stalingrad than the germans fielded on the entirety of the eastern front.

Jose Murphy
Jose Murphy

2019
still falling for BBC propaganda

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Evan Wilson
Evan Wilson

tasuketeeeeeeeee

William Campbell
William Campbell

Soviets propped up by the largest industrial support in the world in the form of USA and UK
Focus on one front

Soviets would have lost the war if not for the Western Allies. This is fact.

German cowards

And I suppose the millions of Soviets who fled and the hundreds of thousands who surrendered at the onset of Barbarossa, were brave? Or the bitch boy Yankee zionists who surrendered to the Japanese Alphas and then expected the Japanese to respect their "rights" were also brave?

Go back to Berkley op.

Bentley Howard
Bentley Howard

Rolliere

Alexander Bennett
Alexander Bennett

US Military Academics defend Communist Russians and BTFO """"based and redpilled""" Germans

What a time to be alive bois.

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

wehraboo cope
SEETHING.
If you didn't get the memo, nobody here like Vatnik shill like you.

this shithole
Go back to where you came from, then. You won't be miss.

Brandon Gutierrez
Brandon Gutierrez

Officially, the US Army considers the Wehrmacht to be TRASH.
Trash, just like you.

Deal with it.

Gavin Ramirez
Gavin Ramirez

when you embarrass the elite of the Soviet Army with your vastly outnumbered force of rear echelon troops

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kholm_Pocket

It never ceases to amaze me that Allied fags think their shit doesn't stink.

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Daniel Peterson
Daniel Peterson

The same army that could hide behind two oceans for the duration of the war? The same army that has racial quotas and had regular race riots during the latter cold war? Pfffthahaha.

Jacob Stewart
Jacob Stewart

The same army that your sad little nation has to rely on to protect your sad little existence from being wiped out by the Russians.

Wehraboos are a sad excuse of human trash. You creeps need to be gassed.

Evan Miller
Evan Miller

rollin'

Levi Martinez
Levi Martinez

Posting in a BASED thread.

Landon Rogers
Landon Rogers

everyone who hate Vatniks are wehraboos
This is your brain on Krokodil.

Connor Brooks
Connor Brooks

everyone who hates nazis is a vatnik

Your brain on Fentanyl.

Camden Wilson
Camden Wilson

rollin

Christopher Powell
Christopher Powell

Rorr

Owen Lopez
Owen Lopez

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Jaxson Hill
Jaxson Hill

He doesn't like a war machine that killed 30+ million white Europeans
heh i bet he's a cuck

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Jason Jones
Jason Jones

Cope harder wehraboo

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Luis Wright
Luis Wright

Common 7

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Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

go suck an infants bleeding mutilated circumsision rabbi. at least i am capable of caring for somethin enough to cry.

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David Bailey
David Bailey

This one.

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Nathan Harris
Nathan Harris

Galko is pure

Ryder Martin
Ryder Martin

m-muh hugo boss uniforms
m-muh suicidal economic measures

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Jaxson Richardson
Jaxson Richardson

The game

Asher Hall
Asher Hall

RR

Tyler Garcia
Tyler Garcia

embargoed by entire world
its your economic policy goyim

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Jackson Bennett
Jackson Bennett

I guess Juche is superior by your own logic.

Justin Butler
Justin Butler

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Carson Clark
Carson Clark

its your economic policy goyim
Gold and precious metal reserves depleted in five years after the party comes to power

Yes, it was.

Christian Young
Christian Young

free market mixed with central planning is why germany was destroyed

idk what they did with the gold but i do know they had wars to plan for. also with the few friends they had they traded product for product. whats wrong with that? no gold for kikes to hoard? oy vey

Nathan Taylor
Nathan Taylor

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Jeremiah Hill
Jeremiah Hill

when you oversimplify an idealogy based on preserving your blood and strengthening it to btfo internet nazis epicly

Jack Young
Jack Young

rollin

Hudson Cox
Hudson Cox

Rolling for a 7

Sebastian Perez
Sebastian Perez

Defense is a force multiplier, smart guy. They say you need 10-1 odds generally in a siege, and indeed in modern manuals 70% casualties is considered acceptable for offensive operations in urban environments.

Caleb Foster
Caleb Foster

third battle of kharkov once again nigger

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Thomas Peterson
Thomas Peterson

POLE BTFO KRAUTS

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Colton Martinez
Colton Martinez

preserving your blood
holy fuck they got you good

Jacob Ramirez
Jacob Ramirez

rawling

Charles Sanchez
Charles Sanchez

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Anthony Scott
Anthony Scott

haha owned noob

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Dylan Ward
Dylan Ward

God I hated that map.

Landon Hughes
Landon Hughes

rollin

Asher Lewis
Asher Lewis

thinking because youre better than everyone else means you dont have flaws

are these even arguments?

Nathaniel Reyes
Nathaniel Reyes

Stalingrad was where Germany's hubris and the Nazi way of running things really bit them in the ass. Hard.
Hitler forbidding any retreat from the battle because he wanted to continue the drive to capture the city, secure part of the Volga, and then push for the oil fields. He also saw retreat as cowardice to the point that Paulus was promoted to Field Marshall in a completely political bid to get him to fight to the death rather than surrender. Goering saying the Luftwaffe can handle the issue (same claim made at Dunkirk.) Luftwaffe falls through on supplying the 6th Army, the flanks collapse, and a massive Soviet counteroffensive encircles.
In the end, massive decisions came down to party leaders and their word overrode the military minds who could see the situation was deteriorating. While Hitler is not to blame for every mistake Germany made in the war (that is revisionism that was pushed by Guderian to excuse any flaws made by Wehrmacht generals) Germany did have a very bad habit of putting party members into military leadership roles and it never ended well, it only got worse when the tide of war started to turn and the Soviets were pushing towards/into Germany.

Eli Martin
Eli Martin

Dumpy pls

Bentley Clark
Bentley Clark

Just lost it

Samuel Nguyen
Samuel Nguyen

blame wehrmacht aristocrats sabotaging the war effort because they thought if they lost theyd be able to recover like ww1

Cooper Collins
Cooper Collins

They emptied out literally everything to re-militarize and start infrastructure projects. Its as idiotic and shortsighted an economic policy you could ever get. One of the reasons they pushed for the annexation of Austria was so they could get its financial reserves.

Jaxson Lopez
Jaxson Lopez

slut

Luis Smith
Luis Smith

CHAD POLE

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Anthony Martinez
Anthony Martinez

dont spend all your reserves preparing for war
get invaded anyway but btfo in a year instead of 5

Anthony Jackson
Anthony Jackson

Had they literally only focused on war with the Soviet Union they would've been fine, maybe they could've even fought alongside the French and British had the Soviet's tried to invade. They were geopolitically and economically shortsighted and foolish. Had the Soviet Union been the only one aggressively expanding on the continent then the war would've been about them.

Ethan Brown
Ethan Brown

Roll

Logan Richardson
Logan Richardson

Rollin for nerdy

Matthew Jenkins
Matthew Jenkins

Oh oh

Noah Powell
Noah Powell

Discord tranny it is

Jaxson Myers
Jaxson Myers

poland is going to let you invade right through them when poland literally stole your land and wont give it back.

not blaming the frogs and bongs for declaring war over poles

Andrew Hall
Andrew Hall

This. Lol
They didn't even had proper winter clothes and boots

William Johnson
William Johnson

Not blaming the Krauts for fucking over the Allies so hard at Munich they left them no other alternatives other than war

Charles Smith
Charles Smith

Steve... I mean, Alice
Kek

Isaiah Gray
Isaiah Gray

why didnt the goyim just roll over embraced the invasion and die like amerimutts and bongs today

Owen Sullivan
Owen Sullivan

literally stole your land and wont give it back.
"Sure borders change after conflicts and have for centuries, and our own nation of Germany is the result of that, but you can't take land FROM Germany!"

not blaming the frogs and bongs for declaring war over poles
"How dare they stop us for trying to take over the continent a second time! We're entitled to that because we wuz Aryans and shit!"

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Jacob Hill
Jacob Hill

Rollin

Elijah Hall
Elijah Hall

Eisenhower wanted to give Germany to the soviets.

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

Rollin

Austin Smith
Austin Smith

rollin

Mason Jackson
Mason Jackson

declared war by the whole world
lol they lost
Post guns rabbi

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

germany could have just existed peacefully after world jewry declared war on them when jews had massive influence in every allied nation through international banking

if only you didnt leave out the most important factor. you ever heard the phrase always throw the first punch?

James Bell
James Bell

France and Britain let them keep Czechoslovakia even though that directly broke the Munich agreement. You're an idiot to think all but a handful of hawks wanted war.

Jaxon Jones
Jaxon Jones

As much as I detest Nazi apologists, the Allies did fuck over Poland. Pulling the "Our agreement only pertained to if Germany invaded you. We never said anything about the Soviets" card. They ignored Soviet aggression when Stalin allied with Hitler to take Poland, only declaring war on Germany.
Though being honest, I don't think the situation overall would have changed much if the UK and France were consistent and declared war on the USSR as well. It would be another period of phony war; the Allies cannot really do much to the USSR (and vice versa). Then Hitler turns on Stalin in 1941, Stalin flips sides to join the Allies,and things end up about the same.

Easton Long
Easton Long

germany wasnt actively engaged in a war like it was when they decided to declare war. of course they assumed poland wouldnt get steamrolled that hard. lmfao. they didnt declare war because it would have been a weak time to do it.

Xavier Lewis
Xavier Lewis

I think Stalin given the ideological differences always intended to turn on the Germans.

Liam Perez
Liam Perez

"The enemy that we made up is attacking us daily so if you don't allow us to take over a large chunk of the world and plunder it, you're clearly servants of (((them)))"
Justify Nazi Germany's actions without referencing Jews. You can't.

The Nazis had their views of what they saw Jews as and they wanted that supposed level of control for themselves. There was no moral righteousness to their constant infractions of treaties, invasions of neighbors, and disregard for pacts/neutrality. You can spew your nonsense all you want, it doesn't change the fact it was Germany that started WW2, after they had already gotten away with so much and thought they deserved even more.

Jaxon Carter
Jaxon Carter

dont acknowledge reality so you lose this argument

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Ryan Hall
Ryan Hall

Perhaps. Zhukov was put in charge of planning a hypothetical offensive against Germany. It wouldn't have happened in 1941 though, that would have only come years later once the Soviet military had fully rebuilt and recovered from previous purges. By which point Germany would have also made improvements, or maybe even collapsed from its own policies.
There's some who say the Soviets were weeks away from attacking and then Operation Barbarossa happened, but that is absolute bunk.

Angel Miller
Angel Miller

Why are you even writing about the military strength of Poland? It never came up.

Aaron Kelly
Aaron Kelly

Is it? I'm not so sure, I think some historians actually do believe that

Kayden Jenkins
Kayden Jenkins

Those are Finns, not Germans, in case you din't notice.
On top of the uniforms, the SMG is a pretty obvious giveaway.

Jonathan Adams
Jonathan Adams

The idea that Barbarossa was a first strike operation launched literally moments before a Soviet invasion has been completely debunked.

Sebastian Murphy
Sebastian Murphy

German troops captured and used those guns as well, in fact many were converted to 9mm luger

Grayson Morales
Grayson Morales

Well yeah if you say "literally moments before" I am not arguing that

Lucas Brooks
Lucas Brooks

are you a victim of lobotomy? those are obviously wehrmacht.

Henry Thomas
Henry Thomas

Soviets won Stalingrad because the British told the Russians (first freely, then allowing the info to be stolen since Stalin was paranoid) that the Germans were out of supplies and that there was a relief column coming and they could encircle and destroy them all. They won due to supplies from UK and USA. They won due to the British opening up a route through the Middle East. They won due to the Germans splitting up their forces and Hitler being autistic over Stalingrad. Nothing else.

Connor Thomas
Connor Thomas

Ignoring the reality that the Nazis did not care about independent nationalism or protecting Europe, they only cared about controlling and plundering it for themselves like they believed others were doing
Come on, tell me how "amazing" and "kind" the occupational forces were.
Let's see some photos of Germans and French smiling together in occupied Paris. Let's see some propaganda posters that portray some kind of unity and brotherhood. Let's ignore the countless monuments, traditional architecture, traditions, and people destroyed across Europe because they weren't German enough.

Under your way of thinking, the Jews deserved the Holocaust for their crimes of trying to control the culture and economy of Europe. So then Germany tried to commit the same crimes, but that's okay because you like them more and will weasel your way to always try to portray them as some kind of savior from a boogeyman.

I guess you can never lose when you make it out to be a situation where your side is infallible. Well, until you huff too much of your own shit, get high on the fumes, declare war on numerous front and then think you can attack the largest nation on Earth, with horses driving your logistics, and win.

Aiden White
Aiden White

the SS allowed europeans from all over central and western europe to join their ranks. and many did.
oppose world jewry and marxism or fight with your aryan brothers or fight for your jewish controlled national flag

Alexander Sanders
Alexander Sanders

The theory is that it was weeks or a month before a Soviet offensive. Which doesn't make sense since the Soviets had to rush to try to form a counterattack to the German offensive (A counterattack which failed). If they were planning an invasion of their own then Soviet forces would have been massing on the border and at a higher level of readiness. The way Stalin and the Soviet military overall reacted to Barbarossa does not suggest a nation expecting imminent war- especially when it came down to certain commanders to tell their forces to get ready for combat.
General Zhukov scrambling to try to create a counterattack, Admiral Tributs telling the Baltic Fleet to prepare to defend Leningrad in 1940 and then beginning his own operations when the war with Germany did start. It was initiative like that which saved the Soviets from suffering even heavier losses and defeats.

Logan Wood
Logan Wood

When you cause the deaths of millions of Europeans, deprive them of their cultural heritage, leech off their economies, loot them, and cause the spread of communism to half of Europe
But you're not Jewish so its ok

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Jaxon Baker
Jaxon Baker

when you give communists everything you work for so they can defeat the army trying to destroy communism then dont invade the soviet union after the germans are defeated because you are all zog anyway and a decades long fake cold war is more beneficial than destroying marxism but its ok because the holocaust definitely happened

jrbooksonline.com/fdr-scandal-page/lend.html

Ethan Cox
Ethan Cox

Germany was responsible for creating the situation in the first place by focusing on a war with France and Britain over their so called greatest enemy the Soviet Union. Its their fault, there could've been a war with the Soviet Union had Germany not done literally everything possible to make sure it couldn't have happened.

Aiden Russell
Aiden Russell

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Eli Robinson
Eli Robinson

When everyone just finished the deadliest war in history and most don't want to jump into one which will possibly be even deadlier
Shocking, I know.
While there is an argument that more should have been done to stop the Soviets from occupying half of Europe, the problem eventually corrected itself. I'm not even sure if the Western Allies could have pushed the Soviets back to their own prewar borders. It would have been a possibility that a war would have resulted in the Soviets throwing them off the continent entirely.

Nathan Jackson
Nathan Jackson

Soviets won Stalingrad despite being outnumbered
the encircled outnumber the encirclers

Adrian Price
Adrian Price

No joke, I'd bang the everloving twinkie crème filling out of bottom-left.

Lucas Jones
Lucas Jones

Same, my dude.

Xavier Rivera
Xavier Rivera

this thread
rooting for losers
rooting for Germ*ns who could not keep their women from getting raped.

I hope /pol/ stays away from Jow Forums in order to keep military tactics and weapons objective and free from any type of facism or some other crazy ideology like communism. Remember: Facism is doomed to fail because they fail to objectively judge their enemies.

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Levi Morgan
Levi Morgan

I know body count doesn’t win wars but at the end of the day the Germans killed way more Russians than the Russians killed Germans. That counts for something.
The US government sucked Russian dick before and upon entering the war and of course would want the history books to make the Soviets look better than the Russians because they defeated the Germans and we in turn “defeated” the USSR. It’s all part of making the US look better, undertandably.

James Murphy
James Murphy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Rzhev

SUPERIOR
TACTICS
AND
LEADERSHIP

L E A D E R S H I P

Colton Gutierrez
Colton Gutierrez

SUPERIOR

TACTICS

AND

LEADERSHIP

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Justin Price
Justin Price

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tali-Ihantala

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Carter Baker
Carter Baker

you should let us walk over you and control you cause hebrews

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

Great videos by the way. Of course, God forbid people here actually read and watch good shit. Battleboxes are good enough.

Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

implying Hitler would change anything
You people forget that socially the allies and krauts werent too different
Hitler would just slightly delay it at best, and cause a collapse of the reich which in turn creates weimar 2.0 even earlier at worst

Juan Bennett
Juan Bennett

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tali-Ihantala#/media/File:Tali-Ihantala.jpg

look closely at those collars subhuman and tell me that those are wehrmacht troops

Grayson Williams
Grayson Williams

tiddyfucking the whole night

Colton Sullivan
Colton Sullivan

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suomussalmi

superior tactics and leadership

Aside from that, the US Army as it exists isn't really a respectable source of information. I don't think there's really many officers leftover from our conventional war in Iraq and there's extremely deep divides between certain SOF and conventional branches.

The quality of officers that the US Army's university is often understated. As an enlisted man I have met officers who have had no idea on how to do their jobs at all.

"US Army University" is a bit of an odd source to use, I have no idea if this is West Point or the actual Army or ROTC or a combination of sources, but the US Army as it exists today is extremely weak, politically correct, and very poorly educated.

If anything the US Army as it exists right now would be like the US Army on the eve of WW1. It is extremely disorganized, lacking in motivation, and more of a showcase. Not to say that most of the other militaries in the world are not like this, but the US doesn't really have a political motivation for anything as the current mood etches away at our country and leaves one wondering what exactly binds us together as a nation?

In short, good video, but the US Army saying something doesn't make it indefatigable in the least.

Carson Stewart
Carson Stewart

It's not just US Army. While I despise vatnik retards, I also despise idiots who are needlessly political about historical subjects, so they get a knack out of disparaging the achievements of Soviet military in WW2.
According to these people, Soviets won because Germans basically got tired and because Allies gave them autonomous planes and tanks which did the job for them.
That's ridiculous and many historians used the opportunity created after USSR fell to reexamine Eastern Front, now relying on available Soviet sources.
This destroyed a lot of the stupid myths that circulated for decades. Sadly, those myths still keep circulating among plebs.
And now some people think they're fighting ''vatniks'' or doing their country service by shitposting about a historical conflict. Basically, stooping down to vatnik level.

Like you...why would you post a battle from a conflict that preceded WW2, one where Soviets fought abysmally, and everyone recognized that, even the fucking Russians?

Not to say Red Army was flawless in 1942, but Stalingrad was a good show, especially Operation Uranus.

Gavin Perez
Gavin Perez

And now some people think they're fighting ''vatniks'' or doing their country service by shitposting about a historical conflict. Basically, stooping down to vatnik level.

where in your own mind did you get this idea

Carson Morris
Carson Morris

he was trying to say the Russians weren't perfect i think

and i agree, i don't think Russia did as good as they could have done, if Russia had not been as big or as populated as it was it probably would have ended in 1942 desu

Gavin Robinson
Gavin Robinson

Experience from other threads, sorry if I misjudged you.
Though OP is a retarded vatnik obviously.
Russians were awful in Winter War and early part of WW2.
But their recovery was impressive, even if it came at massive cost.

Julian Flores
Julian Flores

And I agree about that too. That's why Soviets survived and French didn't. French actually adapted right after they got BTFO in Belgium and at Sedan.
But they simply didn't have the resources or land to trade for time.

Colton Cox
Colton Cox

But their recovery was impressive, even if it came at massive cost.

Impressive

Well, more like inevitable. The math was against Germany moreso than Russia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II

Simply put, the Eastern Front boiled down to a war of materiel, which the OKH had tried to avoid through encirclement and speed. Through all my years of arguing about WW2 and seeing others do so, I don't think it boils down to anything other than that even if Germany was successful in seizing Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad, the industry would have just moved east.

The German eastern campaign to begin with was doomed. The reason it did as well as it did, however, remains a question of whether it was the Germans' experienced army or the Soviet's lack of one (due to purges and political complications as well as RCW). I still do not think I have an answer.

James Perry
James Perry

Inflating your kill count by murdering peasants and POWs doesn't count, Dylan.

Hunter Rivera
Hunter Rivera

german small tactics superiority is mostly because they spent most of the pre-war training their troops and preparing for a modern combined arms warfare approach, whereas most countries only started a crash re-armament program a few years before the war
germans also had an experience advantage since they were much more astute from their observations in the spanish civil war

WW2 was the mission germany was preparing for way earlier and more diligently than the others
the real problem was that they failed at the operational level, despite refined tactics, by never considering that maybe a war isnt a good idea to begin with

Christopher Phillips
Christopher Phillips

by never considering that maybe a war isnt a good idea to begin with

You say that like they had a choice.

But I agree, ultimately Germany could not win a war against Russia solely due to the industrial and resource disparity.

Also, Russia very much did have the opportunity to have a far, far more experienced Officer/NCO corps than Germany did with the invasions of Poland and Finland, Estonia, and then of course their own participation in the SCW.

That said the aforementioned political instability made that difficult.

Oliver Miller
Oliver Miller

Fuck jannies
Roll

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Samuel Young
Samuel Young

You say that like they had a choice.

what the literal fuck are you on about. it was completely by choice.

stalin wasnt even considering german invasion in 1940, he almost had a heartattack when he heard about barbarossa.

same goes for declaring war on the US day after pearl harbor. germany made huge fucking retarded decisions because they allowed their hurrdurr mustard race ideology to interfere with realistic considerations.

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

roll

Luis Murphy
Luis Murphy

He just wanted the Germans and Russians to continue taking each other out. The more of a push, the more American lives lost. Better to supply allies to wage war.

Luke Gutierrez
Luke Gutierrez

same goes for declaring war on the US day after pearl harbor. germany made huge fucking retarded decisions because they allowed their hurrdurr mustard race ideology to interfere with realistic considerations.
on paper, it wasnt a wholly stupid choice
US was already selling guns and raw material to the UK by that point, and german subs had already tangled with US vessels a few times

declaring war on the US would allow him to declare unrestricted subwarfare and vastly increase the amount of material he was sinking
he could drop all pretenses and strike at the UK shipping lanes directly

the major mistake he committed was misjudging the allied response, since the US was vehemently isolationist at the time hitler probably wasn't expecting the US to go on total wartime footing and increase production to absurd levels totally beyond what the germans were capable of sinking
but, germans would continue to underestimate US forces well into operation overlord, so its not like they ever learned from their mistakes

Ryan Wilson
Ryan Wilson

roll

Evan Nguyen
Evan Nguyen

Actually that was pretty much what I was shooting for.

Isaac Powell
Isaac Powell

Preserving muh blood
You don't have to be a turbo boot licker genocidal faggot Nazi to do that my sweet child

Matthew James
Matthew James

American think they understand anything about war
lose Korean war
lose Vietnam
lose Iraq
lose Afghanistan

Kek.

Juan Miller
Juan Miller

lose Korean war
they accomplished their primary goal of preserving south Korean independence

its not a stretch to say all parties won in some way, except north korea, who lost all major objectives

Jason Sanders
Jason Sanders

on paper, it wasnt a wholly stupid choice
declaring war on the US would allow him to declare unrestricted subwarfare and vastly increase the amount of material he was sinking

it was exactly that stupid. people in occupied countries heard the declaration of war and knew it was the beginning of the end.

Brandon Howard
Brandon Howard

D I A B. H!

Henry Lopez
Henry Lopez

Japs barely contributing to your war effort with mostly invading China and then go ape shit on the U.S for whatever reason on the otherside of the world.
this could provide a great distraction and make them focus all their energy on an ally that has barely been helping you with just some colonies you couldn't fucking care about.
Hey lets declare war on the U.S so I can show Japan what a great ally I am!
Yeah nah U.S would have focused more resources on the pacific then sending supplies to Europe and the Japanese would most likely keep the americans off his back giving him a chance against the Soviets
And no I don't like the USSR they are just as retarded as the Germans.

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Wyatt Sanders
Wyatt Sanders

I smell german whining

Josiah Parker
Josiah Parker

He likes the fancy uniforms and obsession with warfare.

Like a nigger, he goes entirely for the visual aesthetic and buzzwords, no substance otherwise.

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Elijah Scott
Elijah Scott

seething

Connor Lopez
Connor Lopez

these wars were intended to end, let alone be won
blood oils the machine

Cooper Russell
Cooper Russell

Be Hitler
Tell Halder to take the oilfields in the South
Be Halder
Do the exact fucking opposite
Army group South suffers a lack of reinforcements
German 6th Army running at troop deficit
Be Hitler again
"Halder what ze fuck are you doing?
Halder: lol fgt gotta get those trains!

Anyone who claims WWII wasn't fought for oil deserves to be forcefully put into a latex slave suit and sold off into sex slavery.

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Jason Cooper
Jason Cooper

actual superior western world
On the sea, sure. Regarding land maneuver warfare the Sovs were kings from mid-'43 to the '80s

Austin Fisher
Austin Fisher

Soviets send Armored onslaught forward
NATO positions stay behind units
CTRL F "Soviet Logistics"
Zero results found
We also figured out how to beat commie onslaughts back in Korea, just use phaselines.

Elijah Gray
Elijah Gray

The US was able to manhandle the Japanese with 85% of their resources going to the war against Germany. They absolutely could and would keep up Lend-Lease supplies to Europe.

Jacob White
Jacob White

this.

Lucas Kelly
Lucas Kelly

Ah yes the old stab in the back 2.0

David Reyes
David Reyes

Aaaaaaaaah lets gooo

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Anthony Hall
Anthony Hall

Karl Marx
Really gets my spuds spinning

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Sebastian Martin
Sebastian Martin

Operation YOUR anus

Sebastian Baker
Sebastian Baker

germans lost because they went north instead of south. germany lost the war because they couldnt petroleum. anyone that says otherwise is a poopyhead.

Andrew James
Andrew James

ah yes karl marx came back from the dead to translate a manual talking about what a clusterfuck stalingrad was.

Joseph Richardson
Joseph Richardson

have sex incel

Ryan Johnson
Ryan Johnson

Why were the nazi's so gay, Jow Forums?

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Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

what the literal fuck are you on about. it was completely by choice

What is your reasoning for this? You do know the Nazi party had their own military OUTSIDE of the Heer right?

Failure to comply with Hitlers demands would have resulted in punishment. Rebellion would have just ended in civil war which would have likely ended in Nazi victory at worst or at best complete chaos in Europe.

So what is your reason for believing their disobedience to be such a fathomable and understandable idea enough to be almost common sense?

Zachary Lopez
Zachary Lopez

have sex virgin

Jace Howard
Jace Howard

Didn’t the US military have German soldiers/officers/airmen advise on military tactics and strategy after the war?

Brandon Cook
Brandon Cook

All superior cultures have been gay as fuck

T. greek

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