He said he would support secession movements in the US

Accepting aid from a foreign power doesn't mean always mean you become their puppet, see the mujahideen and Taliban in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion, US provided arms and supplies and look at how that eventually turned out.
It's also less of a certainty he would rule over an American secessionist state than the 100% guarantee that a liberal progressive government will eventually destroy the bill of rights

>tfw based assad wins the war and also comes to the rescue

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Pro tip: some Americans do want the country to break up

No, i think socialist Dems and really old, politically impotent Reps are breaking up our country and Putin wants to help out because he wants positive trade with the winner and to fuck over China's industry.

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How much are you willing to wager on that though?
Ukraine, crimea, and syria dont tell me Russia is interested in humanitarian aid without strings attached.

I'm Alaskan and I would wholeheartedly accept Putin's support in a secession scenario. It's a far better scenario than living under what America under Dems post-trump.

Putin does not give a shit about the domestic policies in countries allied with Russia. He cares about their foreign stance towards his country.

>cheap russian arms imports
>no more atf
>[ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION]
>no coasties
>cripple china's economy
Truly, a Russian backed conservative secession is the best timeline

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Of course. Just consider all the ramifications of that. Especially the fact that your kids and grankids could be the one dying in the conflict then living in poverty then fending off foreign intrusion.

Well we can either let the cancer kill us or take a chance on the chemotherapy
If we do nothing we're definitely fucked, if we try we might be fucked but we might be able to pull something off.

As opposed to what? Living in a hyper-leftist country where all your rights are gone and you are a minority in your own country?

Im alaskan too. We're bolstering our rights to own guns. Whats happening in the lower 48 hardly touches us. You should visit sometime, actually nevermind.
Unless youre an othodox russian i dont think youd like russian rule. If youre in anchorage you probably dont deal with russians much.
You should ask people from cordova or seward or sutton what they think of the Russians they encounter.

Independent States of Siberia soon.

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Russia has harsher gun laws than any US state

Slavs aren’t white

Russians fucking suck. Any "help" they provided during a secessionist movement would soon be regretted by the parties involved as it became pretty clear they had no intention of ever leaving.

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Yes, I’m baptized Eastern Orthodox. We have more commies here than in Russia. Not to mention cultural marxists and militant homosexuals.

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That's undeniable there will be hardship and there is no guarantee of anything good but with no risk there is no reward.
The colonies went through some very hard times following the Declaration of Independence and even after "winning" the war the country was in a worse way in almost every way possible with the exclusion of the realization of our ability to manifest our own destiny (pun not intended) separate from that of the interests of a king and parliament both physically and idealogically removed from us.

The lines aren't as clear cut in modern america, at least geographically, but there is a fundamental difference in the belief of how government should work that has grown more divisive from each other and if that keeps going then the best thing for us is to separate.

>russia is imposing its gun laws on countries allied to it
Complete brainlet.

I would like for Cuba to conquer Florida and gas all of the cuban americans in Miami.

Why would a sane person assume that secession of nuclear power will be a good idea?
I'm pretty sure Russian Federation didn't follow the USSR dismbebmering way because the powerhouse decided that destabilization of nuclear Russia wouldn't be a bright idea. Same works for the USA I suppose.

The way I see it is that in a secession conflict we need all the supplies and assistance we can get. If Putin wants to send over armanents and tanks, good.

>He said he would support secession movements in the US.
I call bullshit. Where's your source?

We are very VERY far from a crisis point where we need to stop talking and start fighting. And theres some good, encouraging signs that the leftists are destroying themselves.

The rise and prominence of the moderate/liberal jordan peterson, the university professors from liberal colleges making up bullshit studies about leftist dominated subjects and getting them accepted by leftist "professors" as science (one was literally mein kampf with "jews" replaced by "white men") then they went public with this, undermining the entire leftist ideology.
Also if we strike first we look exactly how they think we are, when its really them that are violent, stupid, and hateful

>Massalians magically turned into Romans fallacy
doesn't mean a Russian client state would adopt identical laws I fucking hate that meme

nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna614196

>not wanting to btfo the statists in washington then go full wolverines on the ruskies
Seriously, this country is too damn big and too damn full of guns and ammunition to occupy IF, and this is the BIG IF, the people don't want them hear.

I don’t give a shit about “white”. Conservative, orthodox and catholic values will benefit us more than reconciling style Christians, and obviously Muslims, atheists and nihilists should be turned away.

>I don't like muh gays so fuck the union fracture the country and the global dominance and prosperity men greater than I created

>global dominance
>endless wars to serve israel
>"HURR MUH CARRIERS OORAH!"
FUCK global dominance. America was intended to be an isolationist neutral state that is akin to Switzerland. Aka leave us alone and we don't give a shit what you do.

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I understand that, i really do. From the last few world wars, however, i dont think anyone but a small few will make it out of a third.
And a US civil war is too rich of a prize not to get everyone involved and then world war 3 is here.
Our ideas can stand on their own merit. The left needs force and punishment to prop theirs up. We can take them apart with logic and facts.
People arent as stupid to be blind to who's making sense and who is holding them at gunpoint

>catholic values will save us!!!!
>catholics actually infest the most egregious antiamerican locations in the US.
>beaners are catholic
Lol just be more like cali brooooo. Catholics are good for defending your rights BRRROOOOOO

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>"we can own them with shapiro and peterson guys!"

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We can have secession without violence, or at least without starting it, but you cannot expect to maintain that without having a way to respond to the violence that the state will visit upon you.
Not striking first is absolutely a must.
I disagree about the proximity of crisis.
The state is moving unrelentingly towards the eradication of the individual and the small community to be self sufficient.
Without self sufficiency at a local level (think counties or small towns being able to take care of themselves) there can be no Independence from the national state.

Russia wants Crimea and Ukraine because it used to be part of the USSR and has ports that it needs for force projection, and it wants access to Syria because that gives it access to the Mediterranean. It is practically impossible for Russia to hold any physical control over the US, even if the US were to balkanize, since it's a living nightmare in terms of logistics. What is possible though is an alliance with secessionists or rebels to prevent the US from projecting power overseas, which would help Russia regain it's old territories and put pressure on Europe.

If you legitimately want a new, free United States, you should accept Russian aid without accepting Russian conditions, since they know they can't pose any real threat to the US.

>he thinks Russians are Christians
If you add up all denominations they reach 40% of Christians, and that comes from the Russian census. Even Sweden is more Christian than that.

They don't have 'conservative' values, they have a disgusting bastard mix of shitty Soviet values, feminism and christian values. They have the highest abortion rates in the world for example, where two thirds of their pregnancies end up in abortion. Half of their laws and policies favour women like some feminist wet dream.

>conservatives:There was no collusion and dems are anti-american
>also conservatives: I would collude with a foreign power and attack americans to btfo those anti-americans

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not worth fighting for freedom if you risk compromising it anyways only right way is either independent or with a truly like minded ally

We'll be in small bite size pieces if anybody wants to try taking us and if we accept aid they can easily sneak a coup on us as another "military aid" shipment.
We can be totally controlled before we can defend ourselves.

If you're fighting traitors, why would you refuse to accept foreign assistance? Did you forget about the French assistance in the American Revolutionary War?

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I disagree. It's a gamble we have to take if we have any hope of keeping our guns.

I wish I could believe that what you say is possible, there is an idea of america that I once loved and I shit you not it absolutely hurts me to think the things I do now about it, but the dream of what this country could have been has never really played out or existed.
Could be paranoia but I feel like the door is closing on our chance to make something good out of the Great American Experiment.

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That's how empires are made. Robespierre was a vocal lawyer. Then statesmen. Then he was chopping off the heads of royalty at the end of the French revolution.
Ideas are everything.

I don't recall France threatening to start a war with us on a bi-yearly basis
Russia is literally an enemy state.

yes but they actually revolted against the nation.
my man logic and facts are not going to convince blacks and hispanics to become right wing.

There are no like minded allies. Every other nations is either hyper lefty, or moving in that direction, or ruled by """"conservative"""" dictators. We stand alone, as we always have.

To America? Why would I give a shit if Russia wanted war with democrat-controlled America that infringes on the shit of gun rights? Do you honestly think I'd still want to defend the nation in that case?

>Russia wanted war with democrat-controlled America
The US currently has a Republican president and we have almost entered conflict with them twice

Once the coup begins that's when the american people galvanize against the invader, if there's one thing we hate more than each other in this country it's foreigners.
Think of it like siblings, especially if they're close in age.
You might hate your brother's guts and your parents had to give you separate rooms but if someone comes to kick little bro's ass you'll be there to kick a nigga in the dick.

>The state is moving unrelentingly towards the eradication of the individual and the small community to be self sufficient.
That's true and that's how they'll losr before this gets out of hand. The local politicians pushing these bills and laws are facing a public that is aware there is a problem and the leftists have cast everyone who believes in science as a facist.So People are moving right and these politicians are showing themselves to be leftist.
Theyll be voted out at the next opportunity in most cases then it will swing right for a bit.
Yes many people hate trump. But trump hardly represents the right

Better than atheists and nihilists, obviously. Are you retarded?

>cancerous foreign policy
>whites declining
>republicans did fuckall for guns in the two years they controlled congress
I'm not a retarded Yangoloid but I could hardly see a reason to defend America in its current state.

All I hope is that a secession means I can leave Australia and move there

You have very narrow view. Post electric socket.

We literally fought a war against the French so closely previous to the American Revolution that veterans of that war were fighting in the revolution along side frenchmen that they would have once been shooting at.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_War

I wish I was optimistic as you. Things will get much worse fren.

>living nightmare in terms of logistics.
So was japan. And yet we made it. Today it would be easy.
What you are saying about Crimea and Ukraine is accurate but its not very encouraging they didn't use diplomacy.
Syria...well many would argue the Mediterranean isnt their sea to operate in. They have the black sea. And force projection is a flimsy reason to invade. The US could make the same claims about its far flung commonwealths.

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>actually revolted against the nation.
That was terrible for france. Just like communism in the USSR.
They started cutting tons of innocent peoples heads off to secure their political grasp.
Robespierre today could lead a political movement that does the same thing today without so much murder.
Also people only revolted when they were starving to death.

Now follow the rabbit hole until you find out the source is some US think tank. Again, Russian official numbers put it at 40%.

What kills me is how this shit doesn't seem so crazy anymore.
My favorite holiday is the 4th of July for fucks sake.
The ruskies were the bad guys in red dawn bros, how did this shit happen?

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>galvanize
Takes time we won't have and theyre going to immediately start making "statements" with anybody who seems suspicious.

Look at Warsaw pact gun laws if you want to have an idea of how Russia looks on gun laws in its puppet states.
Right now you need a license in Russia to by non-lethal weapons. Sidearms are completely banned. Smoothbore shotguns require a hunting license and have restricted mag capacities and minimal lengths. Rifled weapons require a 5-year waiting period after getting a smoothbore license, and rifle owners are constantly pestered by police inspections. If you use firearms in self-defense, you're most likely going to jail. Smokeless powder purchase requires a license.

Are these the kind of gun laws you want in your country?

Feel free to post your source.

>he thinks an alliance with a state automatically means adoption of its gun laws
Syria had quite lax gun laws before the war. Did Putin get Assad to pass strict gun laws there too? Putin doesn't give a shit about gun laws in other nations. He cares about foreign policy.

Statements? You couldn't be anymore vague
You are also overestimating the ability of the modern russian military to project the kind of force required to lock down even just a small fractured portion of what would be the remnants of the United States.
their only hope would be to win the hearts and minds and at best put a puppet government
So it comes down to what I said, wether or not the people will accept russian rule.

>Dumbfuck I am American as they come.
That isn't what your prose style says. Faggot. It has Eastern Eurofag written all over.

They aren’t communist anymore. Putin hates commies and criminals. The bad guys are marxists in our own country.

nothing but simple fear mongering to prevent the end of the status quo
>better not stand up to the new world order, slave
>boogeyman Putin gonna Soviet cock bloc you and take your guns

>this thread is presented by russian bots

I agree with everything that guy said and I'll post my diabetic blood sugar levels to prove my murican status

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He's actually done it, the madman. He's got you guys thinking you can trust him for a second. God help us.

>Statements
I guess "examples" might have been more clear. The size of their military is small. But they dont have to make an immediate coup. Theyve used secret police and intelligence agencies in the past to quietly assert their will then theull have our military.

They probably also believe our side will resort to infighting in the post war vacuum making us easier to dominate.

This is literally Comintern propaganda. If you're not a shill and just a retard, look at what Russian Empire/Soviet Union/Russia promises the peoples it subjugates versus what it actually gives. You should absolutely stand up to tyranny but, you should probably do it in a smart way like learning to manufacture your own weapons and not by dreaming of replacing the current tyranny with a much worse one.

>ACCEPT SOCIALISM
no
>RUSSIAN BOT
>PUTIN
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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This is a FEDERAL BOARD. Secessionist traitors WILL HANG. The union WILL BE PRESERVED.

>it subjugates
Who is it subjugating? Putin didn't meddle in Syria's domestic affairs because the country was an ally up until US backed rebels wanted to overthrow Assad.

There's literally no way to keep your gun rights under dem rule in the future. So you have two choices, accept your fate as it is and watch America become Brazil, or secede and accept Russian support in the hopes of establishing a pro-gun state that is at best allied to Russia, or at worst ruled by it.

It absolutely is a gamble I would take.

KGB finally got us

I'll see you in hell yankee scum!

Or even the other ME nations allied with Russia.

Funny how putin only wants to be friendly when we're vulnerable. Right now he won't even come to the negotiating table.

Well, you have no idea how bad it is to be ruled by Russia. And what do you have against Brazil? It's a giant shithole and always was, but you can get guns there easily, and the government actually expanded gun rights in a massive way recently.

Russia is not the same as the soviet union. There are unironically more socialists in power in America than Russia this point.
>implying brazillian laws are not strict as fuck with the populace except the criminals disarmed
Bolsanro only loosened the laws slightly.

The sad thing is that even if they tried diplomacy, which they clearly didn't afaik, the new Ukrainian government would reject anything and everything and most likely would step to military action almost instantly. This is precisely what happened in eastern Ukraine, they didn't even try negotiating they just send troops there as a first response.

Just because there aren't socialists doesn't mean it's not a totalitarian hellhole. The govermnent has the exact same disposition to the people it did in the Soviet times, except now it refuses to give them anything at all while putting in more restrictions every day. The latest project is isolating Russian internet the same way China has it isolated.

keep towing the line for the Rothschild's slave
the one world government won't establish itself

Just so you know I completely support California seceding from the union and I would gladly sign up to march to the sea against California. I also want the state of Jefferson to be recognized. This is all regardless of what putin thinks.

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2 rubles have been deposited

>Russia is not the same as the soviet union
A lot of people seem to forget this for some reason, Russia itself might not be a perfect place by any means but foreign politics changed a lot since the fall of the CCCP. Especially now with Putin who tries to be friends with everybody, one of the reasons his popularity is decreasing in our country.

>implying you would Russian military aid for a successful revolt against the US Government and that the decades of degenerating political discourse, rampant corruption, loss of trust in the government, and disintegrating state of society in general won't be what causes it to fall

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>Good riddance. America is a diseased corpse at this point. Even the founding fathers would call for a revolt.

THIS

"You no longer have a Constitution in this land. The most vile criminal people that ever walked the face of the earth now reside in Washington DC and they are your masters!!!
And Jesus Christ is going to bless this land?!
How dare you even consider it!!!
I'm asking you to make measly, miserable worms out of ALL Federal Agents! This is our country! When you raise that hand to feel the power, that comes from total absolute unconditional commitment!
We win or we die!!!"
-Louis Beam

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