Why is airline travel still safe when there are lots of MANPADS in the black market...

if you give a caveman a manpad is he no longer a caveman?

>Shootdown civilian airline.
>Got combat medal.

This why AMERICA is the ruler of this fucking world and nothing or anyone could do anything about it. Even GOD, JESUS or even SATAN couldn't do shit against the will of AMERICA. Fuck anyone who isn't or against AMERICA cause you shit couldn't win.

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No, then he’s taliban

>Thinking Taliban is inept.

Confirmation of neverserved

Actually, that's kinda true. If there is a territory with a risk, local agency may publish a regulation that forces airline to never go below 12 000 feet in that danger zone. Or higher. Or close the zone completely for civilian flights.

Did you know that the TWA crash was retaliation by Iran for this? The more you know...

Your logic is flawed. Moscow shot down KAL007, MH17 and other I won't bother google about. And Moscow empire has been torn down and will be balkanized soon. Shooting down civilian jets isn't a measure for superpower status.
Q.E.D.

Despite the mistakes made in the downing of the plane, the men of USS Vincennes were awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completion of their tours in a combat zone. The air-warfare coordinator on duty received the Navy Commendation Medal,[11] but The Washington Post reported in 1990 that the awards were for his entire tour from 1984 to 1988 and for his actions relating to the surface engagement with Iranian gunboats.[61]

The incident was ruled as an accident and while the Captain should've had his career ended the rest of the crew still did their tour and earned the commendations they received also why would we apologize to Iran?

The dirt age.

I used to fly to Dubai and Doha a lot. The plane would take a big ass detour around Syria and Iraq

It's generally considered good etiquette to apologize for shooting down someone elses airliner. It's why so many people were upset with russia some time ago.

Take your lies and go fuck another goat Achmed

That's stupid because it could only get hit by Assadists or T*rkish planes and none want to deal with the PR hell it would create.
Now, what stop some of the jihadi to go near an airport with a manpad and to kill hundreds?

I don't know, but ive come to the conclusion that terrorists are retarded.

There's so many ways to kill huge amounts of people very easily but they almost always fail. Planes are difficult, but trains have hundreds of passangers and are very easy to derail. Ferries too have so many passengers, one bomb would sink them on a rough day and theres literally no security.

But no the best their retarded brains can come up with is driving down a busy street or stabbing someone.

They'll definitely never top 9/11.

Not that i want them too, but theres definitely some correlation between wanting to kill lots of people and being too stupid to figure out how to do it.

>Terrorists get bombed to stone age
>Thousands of years of progress made overnight

Because the Syrian government is so good at keeping track of their equipment and making sure it never ends up in the hands of Jihadists.

>shooting down an airliner with a harpoon

What did they mean by this?

Derailing a train cause almost no death, even the fast speed ones. You would have to send another train on the other side but good luck hacking all the signals they use to prevent that.
Ferries are not the titanic. I do however wonder why no one made a mass shooting in a medium sized boat.

We even know there is old, ungarded submarines from the Soviet area rusting in ports with enough contamination on it to create a dirty bomb. Imagine if all of Manhattan had to be evacuated for one year.

Actually, yes, unlike western power who literally gave their guns to ISIS. This is not Ukraine.

Anybody with the brain to cause carmageddon isn't going to bother.

>Derailing a train cause almost no death, even the fast speed ones.
Do you not watch the news? when a big train derails everybody dies.

No.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckwersheim_derailment

that's 20% fatalities m8.

>A train going at 360 km/h have a 20% death rate if it crash
What is the rate for a plane crash?

Even the most advanced MANPADS today, 9K333 Verba, has flight ceiling of 4.5 km and airliners fly at more than double this altitude.
>inb4 but they have to take off and land
Civilian airliners don't do it in warzones and with military transports this has always been a legitimate threat. Read about sick shit Soviets did to defend their transports from towelhead terrorists with amerishit weapons in Afghanistan like assigning Hind escorts doing crazy maneuvers with all sorts of countermeasures. Didn't always work though.
youtube.com/watch?v=uqJziglPkZQ

So where does ISIS get all their klKornets from? TOWs have all but disappeared in their videos and it's all Kornet/Metis-M/HJ-8.

>What is black market

And I guess smuggling a manpad in Egypt or whatever is not in the realm of possibilities?

lol'd

>Also there are unofficial no fly zones airlines tend to follow.

Except when certain shitholes lie to airlines and tell them there is no warzone in their east, and permit civilian airliners to travel skies where high altitude military transports were struck down just days earlier by theatre level SAM systems.

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>the most advanced MANPADS today,
You spell Piorun wrong. And Vreba has huge warhead for them numbers wanking, but fuck all in terms of guidance, range and fragmentation.

>imagine actually believing this like a clueless brainwashed vatnik
don't you have some krokodyl to inject and rot your arms off, Ivan?

>Doesn't not have any arguments

Don't talk shit if you got nothing, faggot.

Chill out CIA

So explain again why a civilian airliner was cruising above an active warzone with confirmed theatre-defense missile systems?

>Silence intensifies.

Yeah, I fucking thought so, glownigger.

t. Inventor of V-22

>Derailing a train cause almost no death, even the fast speed ones.

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Because up until then, rebel groups only had MANPADS. Protocol hadn't been adjusted for "rebels" having a BUK.

IIRC civ-pattern planes have at least some active countermeasures for MANPADs, most are fitted with a jammer if memory serves me right.

Because people are stupid and lazy. Why were advanced AA systems in Ukraine in the first place being operated by discipline-less monkeys?

>That's right user, airliners fly at 12,000 feet
around 33.000ft is better

Ever play RPGs?
>I can't use these rare potions now, I might need them later!
Same shit.

>Derailing a train cause almost no death, even the fast speed ones.

Is this one of those retards I hear so much about

>Because up until then, rebel groups only had MANPADS.

BULLSHIT.

>ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2014-11-26/ukraine-has-lost-22-aircraft-rebel-forces

An An-26 was shot down literally days before MH17 by a BUK system

Fucking lying, glownigger scum.

>Why were advanced AA systems in Ukraine in the first place being operated by discipline-less monkeys?

Why was the government of Ukraine removed by a pro-American Junta?

It's a deep mystery.

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kek, got me

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MANPADs are significantly more rare than your normal unguided or wire guided anti-tank missiles, and you need to be within a certain distance of takeoff/landing to be in the effective range. Against military targets they're likely to have the land near an airport decently defended, against civilians its less of an issue but still a strange waste of a comparatively rare resource. If all you want is to kill ~200 or so civilians you can do that with a truck bomb, don't need to source an IR guidance system for that

for a terrorist there are much softer targets. for 'legitimate' militaries airliners are a great way to get the world real upset at you

>mfw it's true and actually happened
What the fuck is wrong with americans and their happy-trigger attitude?

Most of the time commercial airliners travel above 10km. Most MANPADs reach to about 8km. So most of the time they are out of range, just when approaching airstrips they are not.

>trains are very easy to derail

Who the fuck told you that?

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>ISIS
>tows
Guess again

The battery that shot down An26 was stationed near Rostov. Why hadn't Moscow declared the no - fly zone over the puppet states?

100

The missile shown is a Harpoon, not a SM-1.
The airliner was approaching, not heading away from the USS Vincennes.
Cap'n Rogers was a dumbass.
Nobody got a medal for the shootdown, you liar.

>why were Russia’s puppets removed?!??!? No fair America!

Fuck off nigger

What if that's what you wanted, and you take over the now bombed out city whose government was destroyed in the collateral?

dumb ahmeds refused to answer hails

on the wrong frequency

Well the missile sure didn't have a problem with that.

Who do you think creates, recruits, trains and directs the groups?
Who do you think own the airlines?

>Ukrainians removing corrupt Russian puppets means it's ok to shoot down a Malaysian airliner full of Dutch people
The vatnik mind is truly a thing of mystery wonder. How does it work? Why does it not simply die of despair? How can something with no life or soul in it control a nervous system? Mysteries. Mysteries.

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>Large portions of Jow Forums do not even know that airliners have cruising altitudes

I don't understand why terrorists haven't staged more attacks on airliners, say in the USA.

Airplanes on approach or takeoff are flying slowly, in predictable paths, at low altitude with no room to recover from disruptions. They periodically get rekt by hitting birds.

Infiltrate three teams into the USA with dumb, unguided RPGs. Have each one drive to a different major airport, set up along the glide path, and rocket a jumbo jet out of the sky before exfil in a white van or something. Keep the teams moving between airports, knock down one or two airliners per day with no pattern.

US air travel halts instantly, billions of dollars in economic damage, widespread panic, mass mayhem.

Dear federal glowniggers, I in no way endorse such actions or intend to do them, this is a thought experiment examining our vulnerabilities as a nation.

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most 'terrorist' are the feds imagination. gotta keep the budget big. the fact it's rare proves it's not a concern

these are transportable weapons....

you are a real special kind of stupid, kid.

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that last line won't save you from the secret prison

Few years back something like that did happen in the UK but the guy doing it was shit or something happens and it failed

Why not just fly a big rc plane with lots of metal and wires into the engine and fuck the plane up maybe fly a whole bunch of it and crash the plane. You could really shut down airports that way.

if they come to take me away to secret prison for speculating about ways terrorists might hurt us, it's LONG past time for the feds to get scarred for life in my dragon dildo fortress

>I am too young to remember 9/11

All civilian aircraft would be grounded indefinitely a few minutes after the second aircraft was hit by a rocket.

>Why not just fly a big rc plane with lots of metal and wires into the engine
Try to crash your model aircraft into a specific side window of a moving car. Fuck, try to crash it into a specific window of a parked car.

Planes are faster, and have an additional dimension to move in.

dinnt they shut down a whole airport recently cuz one was just flying arround.

No. The Brits shut down a major airport because they imagined one was flying around.

And? You're going to need a LOT more disruption and destruction than that to be a successful terrorist.

>thinking cavemen are inept
"cavemen" evolved into modern homos

Based burgers, killing muzzies like the best of em

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>innocent
>Iranians

Select uno

>hitting a plane with an unguided rpg
>bringing down a passenger plane with a single rpg

Have fucking fun with that.

Modern jets have at least two engines. If one engine is shot by MANPADS , jet can contonue flying and land on the other one.

>airplanes land on runways
>runways are stationary objects
>every airport has published standard approach paths and glide slopes
It's not like you're trying to 360 noscope an evading fighter jet.
>airplane landing safely after you rpg the cockpit
Im-fucking-plying, also a miss is super scary too and would also cause mass panic

Because the president was deemed unfit for function by the Rada, which is the Ukrainian equivalent of Congress, and therefore the constitution allowed for his destitution.

Holy fuck, checked

>implying cave men had the luxury of bombed out cities
Then you bomb that, too

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Well for a start you'd have to get what's technically called "very very close" to the runway. Even on approach the planes is still travelling really fast, and the RPGs range isn't that great really. And airports have this thing called "physical security". Guards, fences, attack dogs etc. Fences being the most important thing since almost every airport has a large area around it for safety reasons. You'd have to be about on the fence line.
Secondly, to hit a airliner with an unguide rpg, you'd probably have to be pointing it more or less straight up, and to prevent ruining everything and killing yourself with the back blast, you'd want to dig a deep hole like those somali niggers to accommadate it. Now it may be that the security of an airport might take notice of a guy digging a deep hole 5 meters from the perimeter fence with a stack of rpgs next to him.
None of which matters anyway because you'd never hit it anyway.

It's the sort of retard question you only ever see on Jow Forums.

You idiot, they dont go under 12,000 feet. They have airports 12,000 feet in the air, that you have to take stairs to get to

HAHAHAHHAHA MY DAD WAS THE RADIO OP ON THAT SHIP THE USS DALE
>Radio airliner because intruding airspace
>No response
>Recieves orders to shoot it down
Fuck off libtard

USS Vincennes dumb fuck.

TL;DR the answer is shelf life.
longer answer; The technology of ordinance (other then gunpowder) that can reliably remain on the shelf for 20+ years after manufacture is a relatively new development. most of the solid fuel rocket motors and warheads are usually considered less then reliable by their manufacturer after just a few years. Its kind of like a 'best if used by' date on a container of milk, it might still be usable, but it might not be worth the risk. A lot of the black market AA weapons would likely be either cold war era manufacture or weapons captured from armories during civil wars. Many of those would be of questionable quality or reliability upon manufacture, let alone after the effects of improper or long term storage. Realistically, reliable AA systems would not likely be available to the black market. the ones that would be illegally sold would be the much less reliable ones that should've been destroyed years ago.

Not in the middle of Bumfuck Afghanistan they don't.

Something like 90 percent of the flight is at high altitude and the rest is near an airport.

Problem with commercial airliners is that they use multiple engines so a heat seeking MANPAD wouldn't only realistically destroy 1 out of ~4 engines. That's still enough for a plane to land with and you're not getting another shot before the tower spots you and the FAA sends it's goons.