Russians and Gorilla Warfair

By second half of the 80s the soviets were giving the Mujahideen quite a beating, the bigger problem was that the size of the 40th army was even at peak just 115,000 men, while multiple divisions more would have been needed to stomp them really out.

>Beslan
>20 Terrorists
>330 Hostages
>350 body bags.

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Want to tell me why it wouldn’t be considered a success?

The US military and the USA itself are finished. It's over. Most Americans aren't fit for military service, special operations are understaffed, Americans are being replaced by Mexicans who couldn't give a single fuck. It's over man.

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>1,100 hostages
>less then half of them died

because Gorilla warfare requires the opposite of a giant mutt army steamrolling over the entire country, leaving raped and murdered citizens in its path.

The US Navy operates more aircraft than the entire VVS, mang.

>Syria is firmly in Assad control
Yeah if you ignore 1/3rd of the country that isn't under Assad control.

>surpass the US
They're falling further behind every year. They'll never surpass the US, only fall behind further.

>only 320 of them were killed
topkek

Was is a success because they only lost Russian lives?

>it's okay if Americans do it too
Oh wait, you weren't making a parody of vatniks were you?

>ignore 1/3rd of the country
Maybe because Assad wants handle that diplomatically? And Russia isn't falling behind more, that's just retarded, their military is improving considerably. Tho it won't be on the level of the US in any foreseeable time.

>Terrible
No
>uncivilized
Here.
Remember, Muscovites are the very same savages they are fighting. Hostages lives are irrelevant, collateral damage is irrelevant - only thing that matters to KGB is to save facade of "strong man Putin". Moscow spend billions on propaganda, and if it often sounds retarded to us - that's because target audience are gopniks and mongols.

i kind of doubt that the based kurds will be like "yeah we have the chance to finally be free but fuck it we are gonna submit"

They will have to, or fear getting fucked by Turkey. It isn't like it will be a one-sided agreement.

>implying turkey doesnt know that they will have a year long gorilla campaign on their ass

also they would have a place to send all the kurds stuck in turkey

Because they're facing such extreme opposition in the territory taken in Olive Branch, right? Attacks do accurate but not by any meaningful amount. And Turkey will attack, the second the US leaves, and the US will leave one day. To end this conflict Assad and YPG will have to come to an agreement, they are the two best and most powerful factions in Syria right now.

and i think that aggrement will be letting kurdistan go in exhange for economic cooperation or some shit. The kurds have international support and international support means money. At least here in germany kurds send many and think about returning, even the once who have been here for 20+ years

Do not forget all of their utilization of guerilla tactics during the russian civil war and ww2
Eventually they did get the Chechens years later due to some political events and the weakening of Chechen unity
But they did eat shit in Afghanistan and most major hostage crisises in their country

If he wants to handle that diplomatically it still means that it isn't under his control now is it? If it was he wouldn't have to resort to diplomacy.

Russia is falling behind because they aren't improving fast enough. Take combat aircraft during the last 10 years for example. The USA were building F-22s while Russia came out with the Su-35, so they really were in the shit. Now, they managed to buy ~80 Su-35s, as well as develop a 5th generation aircraft to compete with the F-22. But in the meantime the USA developed and built 350+ 5th generation aircraft and they aren't even in full production yet. By the time Russia will have finally caught up with the F-22 force, they'll be dealing with a massive F-35 fleet to catch up with and so on. But at the same time their Soviet aircraft will be too outdated and suddenly they won't even be able to count on that.

I'd realy like to see what fatburgers would do in the same situation.

They cant even arrest someone unarmed without shooting him 50 times in the head ...

bingo. they will get some regional autonomy and hands-off treatment

The entire school would explode and all the hostages would die. Americans would just label it a terrorist attack and start another in the Middle East.

>Gorilla Warfair
when did Jow Forums turn into black twitter?

Honestly speaking, Beslan siege was organized with little mistakes. Crowd control primary. No informational blockade of terrorist was created. That's all. Assault began without proper preparations, because fire inside of the building happened. Whole situation itself was a perfect storm — school building has double layered brick walls that can not be penetrated without heavy weapon. Hostages and explosive are mixed up, windows were broken, gas attack was impossible. Any LEO nightmare.

>Is it genuinely because they don't give a shit about their grunts?
In most cases, because Soviet ideology was against radical means. Soviets could easily win in Afghanistan by waging war in Pakistan, but that was not an option. Yet, their main goal was achieved. They did support local government and pump it enough to be capable. Americans failed to do the same thing.
Russian local things, like Chechnya were solved by economical means, not military. It is, basically, the only way. By providing better economics than sovereign Ichkeria could have they more or less stopped the conflict. Those who fight for Arab money can do shit against FSB.

>350/20 hostiles killed

I mean, according to Metro's analysis, there's about what? 4 Gorillas in all of Russia? Two or three bears?

>did well in Grozny

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Beslan was a great success, especially when they fired upon the school with thermobaric weapons and field artillery

Just gonna drop this here

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Counter insurgency requires that you make allies with the local populace, train them, treat them as equals, etc. Russia has humanitarian issues in their own country and don't treat their citizens as equals. How do you expect them to treat locals in a foreign nation?

Cause the first one was practically a war crime competition. The second was pretty much another muzzie war
Grozny was one of the biggest clusterfucks in history

>Cause the first one was practically a war crime competition.
tell us more

fukken saved

Vatniks btfo

just google "the chechen video" and get back to us.

At this point Moscow is basically paying Kadyrov and his cronies to stay calm. The money transfer from Moscow constitutes 90% of Chechenia's budget. Same shit with Crimea.

Why is the Afghan war brought up as some absolute catastrophe for Russia when every major power had just performed even worse in insurgent warfare in Vietnam in the immediately preceding decades (France, then USA, then China)?