Now that there is the SU-57 at the very least as a tech development reference, there are plans for Mikoyan to be the next one giving a shot at 5th gen.
However, with costs being the reason for purchasing only one batch of the SU-57 so far, why is so much more money going into a new interceptor? Does it have to do with some specific doctrine that has requires a whole class of fighters dedicated to it? Anyone here able to elaborate?
Is MiG-41 the one that was supposed to be an outer space fighter?
John Edwards
Can’t wait to see it never get made
Oliver Moore
Why 41? Wouldn't they have to make MiG-37 and MiG-39 first?
Michael Bennett
With Russians, you never know how many concept papers they already gave numbers to.
Aiden Watson
>They're still using some guys Deviantart concept art as proofs.
Asher Smith
we literally have ZERO clue about their next supersonic interceptor
not even a fucking drawing or model or or or
Brody Thomas
>why is so much more money going into a new interceptor? It probably isn't: >Tarasenko told TASS that research and development as well as experimental design work on the MiG-41 will start "in the immediate future."
AFAIK nobody believes they will actually build this thing. They can't afford their damn air superiority fighter, forget interceptors.
Christian Cox
>They can't afford their damn air superiority fighter, forget interceptors.
this fucking meme again
Benjamin Murphy
MIG has always been Shukoi on the cheap and disposable, I am right?
Su-57 = T-50 = PAK-FA - Stand off Strike/Multirole MiG-41 = PAK-DP - Interceptor
Different projects, if I recall correctly, MiG's push for the PAK-FA was the LMFS.
Also they really need the PAK-DP more since Russia's land mass is xbox hueg. But the MiG-31BM is still okay for now.
Jaxson Cruz
Not when it comes to interceptors. The last one Sukhoi got to build was the ill-fated Su-15 (famed for killing 3 passenger planes and Yuri Gagarin). It was superseded by the more advanced MiG-25 and its successor, the MiG-31. The MiG-41 is a proposal to replace the MiG-31.
Meme? They're apparently only building 1 this year, and the engine still isn't finished.
the production is set to start in 2020 when the new engine will get adopted
Bentley Morales
>the production is set to start in 2020 when the new engine will get adopted Right, of course it will. And I'm sure all five of them will be very. Delivery complete by 2050 if we're optimistic, yeah?
Jacob Phillips
>we have already discussed this shit to death not like you make it sound like more like >... >the production is set to start in 2016 when... >the production is set to start in 2017 when... >the production is set to start in 2018 when... >the production is set to start in 2019 when... >the production is set to start in 2020 when... to be continued
Michael King
Yeah, just like what your kind of ineducable breed has been squealing about Su-30, Su-34, Su-35, Ka-52, Mi-28, etc. Fuck off back reading businessinsider, clown.
>inb4 he posts that pic compilation of news articles saying "to be expected", "we hope", "we expect", "we believe", etc. Paid natofaggot shills are ineducable, don't expect much of them.
Nathan Lewis
>Russia get their 350 garbage aircraft in 10 years >still less than the amount of 5th generation aircraft the USA have built in that amount of time Yes I'm sure everyone else is butthurt and coping but you.
Ethan Cruz
Irony being that the less we hear about it, the more likely it is of being fielded. Napkin vaporware gets shilled and pushed by RT and stronk-posters alike, the real stuff gets hidden untill its ready
Liam Rodriguez
>Moving goalposts He already told you, natofaggot clown:
Cameron Bell
>2010-2018 is 10 years >550+574=350 >Lies, it's garbage *merishartnik stench bingo.
he knows how to use inspect element, or, more likely, is posting from 2 devices.
Jonathan Barnes
>Lies! Deception! Russians are coming! McCarthy is long dead, brainwashed intellectually invalid retard.
Joshua Russell
And he was also mostly right.
Colton Jackson
My god entitled brats that they cant believe that they are wrong to a point that they MUST be right and sperg out that everyone is a russian that shitpost
>Armatard projection and deflecting as hard as always
If anyone wonders why Armatard is so extra pissy and whiney lately, he got banned for sperging out a week or two ago and now is trying everything he can to slander the one perosn who he thinks is responsible for it, but it doesnt work at all, see for a partial update on the topic. All roots lead back to Armatard.
Ethan Barnes
Holy fuck that is pathetic.
Dominic Morales
>Anyone here able to elaborate? Easy. To keep jobs. MIG is a several thousands job-places plus shitload amount of subcontractors. And most of them are high quality jobs. Government buys MIG shit only in required to survival of a company minimal amount. State capitalism, bro.
Chase Bell
>1 >3 >9 >15 >17 >21 >23 >25 >27 >29 >31 >35
Adam James
>McCarthy >And he was also mostly right.
More than mostly as we now know from archives that became public at the end of the cold war he was ENTIRELY correct and the continued vilification of him by Hollywood just shows that there are still Russian agents of influence at work. Oliver stone is simply a traitor as is George Clooney (as was his father)
McCarthy was a hero.
Benjamin Reyes
>like the Su-57 wa snever made >”FRP IN 2016 stupid mutts!” >”FRP in 2017 stupid mutts!” >”FRO in 2018 stupid mutts!” >”FRP in 2019 stupid mutts!” >RuAF scales back orders continuously >12 aircraft so far Correct, like the Su-57
Isaiah Powell
All Russia armament announcements are vapourware bullshit. Or have we forgotten the announcement of a new aircraft carrier standing beside a meter long model, the braggart crap about shooting down anything over Syria and absolute failure to o so, the sinking of steamboat willies dry dock and the fact that it is the command ship an flagship of the Russian navy and is out of action and of course the long dawn out and embarrassing saga of the jet that failed to be the su57. Then there is the t14 and its cutbacks etc. The Russian defence industry is riddled with corrupt incompetents. I don't live in a NTO country but got bless it for standing up to the USSR and the whining lying foul mouthed Russian bitch on this thread just makes me think maybe my country SHOULD join NATO.
Charles Rogers
Based Project Venona user. FDR administration was riddled with spies like cheesecake with raisins.
Wyatt Baker
>ill-fated Su-15 The PVO used the Su-15 for decades and only went out of service with the fall of the USSR.
When your main strategic opponent has a fleet of bombers, some themselves stealthy, and you have a humongous land mass to cover it makes sense.
None of the Russian/Soviet manufacturers have been 100% consistent.
>FDR administration was riddled with spies like cheesecake with raisins.
the weakness came from Roosevelt himself and his complete naiveté about Stalin. Truman's election saved the west. McCarthy deserves posthumous decoration by congress and recognition as the valiant man he was who's life and legacy was attacked by traitors
Leo Smith
source?
Charles Carter
10 seconds on Google, you commie colaborator.
Jordan Walker
>(famed for killing 3 passenger planes and Yuri Gagarin). There's also the one that tried to dance with a Viggen, and ended up running itself right into the baltic sea.
Maybe we should start screencapping the restarded posts so that when yet another vatnik claims turns out to be wrong you can't pretend no one claimed such thing. When is the Su-57 getting its GaN AESA, ROFAR and plasma stealth?
>can't even read his own graph What do you think the "Prev." stands for?
Joshua Clark
We would need a whole organisation to archive all that.
Joshua Thomas
Sounds like some one came from f-16.net.
qr.ae/TW8N6w Radio-optical radars will easily defeat stealth. Use VHF or UHF does not matter if your 100 meters off. X-band host radars on missiles can lock on to stealth with a wide radar beam to do the rest to lock on to targets even if they are 100 meters or miles off target the range and distance of the host radar will do the rest.
Isaiah Nguyen
>complete naiveté about Stalin Didn't Roosevelt clan got filthy rich during the war?
Andrew Jackson
Yeah, that's the annoying part, they'll just move on to the next shit and pretend nothing happened. You can't make them admit that they were wrong.
>radio-optical radar will easily defeat stealth The optical only refers to the signal processing electronics. They're still using conventional radar waves which will be affected by stealth just the same.
Benjamin Walker
>After reviewing evidence from Venona and other sources, historian John Earl Haynes concluded that, of 159 people identified on lists used or referenced by McCarthy, evidence was substantial that nine had aided Soviet espionage efforts. He suggested that a majority of those on the lists could legitimately have been considered security risks, but that a substantial minority could not.
kinda sounds like he cried a lot of wolf, and got the occasional right.
William Gutierrez
How can someone be this stupid? >he was ENTIRELY correct No.He underestimated the number of russian spies by 1 order of magnitude.
Robert Young
Did anyone in Russia heard about economies of scale? Although the more money will be stolen during creation of Wunderwaffe #1513 the less headache Russia will cause in Europe.
Hudson Rivera
With what money are they going to use to make these? Their army couldn't afford socks until 2015 so I bet their airforce won't be able to afford this for another 300,000 years.
Very clever of you Russia. Like China, you play the long game.
Andrew Davis
just like the second kirov is going to get back into service "any day now"
Jaxson Miller
>no refunds -t. sukhoi
Ryder Thomas
>t. 'no funds' sukhoi ftfy
Ethan Green
Will it actually be comparable to it's Eastern and Western counterparts?
Grayson White
depends on how little they gonna make of it, the less of something ivan has the more uber it is
Juan Moore
Mikoyan doesn't have enough money to tackle this because Russia doesn't have enough money to fund the development of a true 5th Gen Fighter.
Noah Phillips
>The optical only refers to the signal processing electronics. They're still using conventional radar waves which will be affected by stealth just the same.
photon radars have the ability to de-chirp and multiply frequency without any loss conversion compared to regular X-band radars.
If Mikheev is right about the UHF and exposing aircrafts to a variety of frequency you wont have to worry about being off target with AESA host radars on missiles.
Adam Sullivan
In no way does this easily defeat stealth. Radar waves still function the same no matter what processing method you're using.
Kevin Perez
>McCarthy >And he was also mostly right. And there, ladies and gentlemen, is all you need to know about the state of poor brainwashed fatnik imbeciles on this site.
Mason Rodriguez
Western militaries cannot into interceptors.
Nathaniel Parker
>The last one Sukhoi got to build was the ill-fated Su-15 "P" in Flanker's official "Su-27P" designation literally stands for "interceptor". >the ill-fated Su-15 So "ill-fated" it remained the principal aircraft of the Soviet Air Defence for several decades. >It was superseded by the more advanced MiG-25 No, it was not, you fucking retard. It has remained the workhorse of the Air Defence until 1990s.
