How do you fight off a bunch of Jedi?

This. Jedi cant even block blaster bolts 100% of the time and bullets travel much much faster.

You make them fight each other

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Niiiiiiice

Corrupt them with the liberal virus

It's as much about premonition as it is about speed and precision. Did you even watch A New Hope?

Stone cold.

Nerve gas

Begs the question, why even move towards energy-based projectiles in the first place when lead/solid based projectiles will most likely remain the best there is for centuries to come?

Because they're cheaper to maintain and supply from a logistics standpoint, and every bit as effective against 95% of targets.

Depends on the author.
Most authors have bullets being much more expensive per shot than tibanna gas for example, and of course blasters have much more capacious magazines. Most authors also give slugthrowers much worse armor penetration.
Trajectory is also an issue: blasters shoot in a straight line and the bolt dissippates after reaching max range, whereas bullets arc and potentially keep moving indefinitely if shot in open space.

A good example would be the coliseum battle at the beginning of the clone wars. You see multiple jedi being overwhelmed by blaster fire sometimes from just one opponent (jango fett kills a jedi singlehandedly with a blaster). A weapon rapid firing the much much faster moving bullets would easily overwhelm a jedi's abilities.

>why even move towards energy-based projectiles in the first place when lead/solid based projectiles will most likely remain the best there is for centuries to come?

in star wars RPG, the slug thrower (normal gun) is inferior in both size and power to even common blaster carbines 1 whole class size smaller while also having a very low high crit cost (can cause critical wounds less often)

the only enemy slugthrowers can really hurt are imperial navy troopers, weaker than even common storm troopers, who have no armor at all outside a helmet
real storm troopers will only take scratch damage from one, if at all

movie-wise, the energetic bolts cause several deaths from missed shots, presumably because the small explosions they make sends red hot sparks and metal splinters into the unarmored rebel bodies
so the blaster is extremely efficient at clearing hallways because it is both rapide fire and can cause red hor fragmentation

>use physical projectiles
>against an enemy who can move objects with his mind

was gonna post this

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Answer: Select grenades, sonic screamers, cluster rockets, and plasma charges. Mines are also effective, since many Jedi will run to meet you in hand to hand combat. Silly Jedi.

It also depends on the Jedi in question. Some Jedi are better suited to combat than others. So you would have to take their rank and class into consideration.

>using weapons
>against an opponent who can rip them off your hands with his mind
Jedi telekinesis is a slow and hard thing. It takes a master to use it in battle.

Dunno what the reason is now, but in the old EU, slugthrowers were made obsolete as armor improved faster. Blasters became standard because they penetrated everything and made armor moot,though this makes no sense from a realism standpoint because they are generally significantly less accurate than slugthrowers, severely limiting engagement distances.
Ironically, the ubiquity of blasters made people more or less give up on wearing armor,making slugthrowers effective again for the odd hipster assassin.

Yeah, doesn't really make sense.

>,though this makes no sense from a realism standpoint because they are generally significantly less accurate than slugthrowers, severely limiting engagement distances.
we cant always take what is shown on the screen as total truth, as its typical hollywood embellishment

like why do spaceships make noise in space, why do spaceships bank on turns in space?
these are things that can never really be answered from a direct 1:1 showing of special effects on the screen due to being limited by audience perception

blaster inaccuracy and low velocity would make it inaccurate if its viewed as a literal representation of their universe
but people in universe swear by the blaster and pull off insane trick shots with it, and guidebooks and RPGs always rank the blaster as far superior to the slig thrower in damage and penetration

the meta-reason is that george lucas was inspired by WW2 tracer rounds which appear to travel slowly despite being supersonic due to persistence of vision and skewed human perspective when firing
it looks cooler than simply drawing instant-rays and we are gonna have to live with that
it also creates a mental bridge in the mind that gives it impact to the viewer, a bullet with instant travel time and therefore no visible projectile doesnt really look impactful as the only time the viewer is reminded of their presence is when they hit something

Blaster bolts are a bit like frag-12 rounds in terms of damage. A near miss is sometimes fatal to unarmored targets and a direct hit is fatal even to armored infantry.

Blasters also have hundreds or thousands of shots per reload so logistics is way easier.

Personally, I'd use gauss or rail guns but I'm not in charge of Disney.

Blasters have extreme ammunition densities. The Empire's ubiquitous E-11 uses two ammunition sources; a catalyst gas cartridge for the plasma and a battery to power the firing process. The former goes for 500 shots and the latter for 100. Considering the tiny size of the weapon and the batteries, it's easy to make the argument that poor marksmanship could be made up for through a ridiculous (by our standards) amount of fire from each rifleman.

HE munitions, literally anything else is objectively wrong.

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Modern problem, classic solution
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Artillery.

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a shotgun or flamethrower can wreck their shit, they can't block flames, and a shotgun has too many pellets for them to block them all

How can Jedi be canonically susceptible to ballistic weapons if they exhibit abilities to manipulate many other physical objects?
What makes a small piece of lead traveling at high speed any different than another material object hurtling towards a master Jedi?

Projectiles they cant deflect

1/2

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Wrist rockets

2/2

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Try 99,9 Even in a jedi led army we are looking at 1 or 2 jedi and a couple padowans backed by 10.000 to 50.000 stormtroopers.

Guns. Worked for the tusken raiders

>They can't block flames
Wrong
>Shotgun has too many pellets for them to block
Wrong again.

You know what they can't block? An explosion of indeterminate size happening very close but not directly to them, to where the perceivable projectile isn't the threat, but the unperceivable blast force and subsequent shrapnel is.

See

>Worked for the idiot indigenous people who are scared of beepy things with lights, should work no problem for the magical laser wand space wizards.

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This is what I'm referring to here How can a Jedi not just wave the rockets away? They can focus on blaster fire enough to dodge or block it, why not slower, larger rockets?

The ability to percieve it.

Just look at how slow Duko and Joda was at moving things. And they are the best at that.

Alright. This would apply to a Jedi who ignorant of explosive devices and only on the first go around. Afterwards he/she would know how explosives work.

There are a few go-to methods of killing Jedi (or someone with Jedi like training).
>Volume of fire from multiple vectors
>Explosives
>Slug throwers
>Getting allies to betray them

>lure them into an ambush, then put down unrelenting fire.

>can't trick them cause force
>can't shoot them cause force
>can't stick them cause force
>can't anti-force them cause plot armor

you lure them under false pretense to a nice undefended location then exterminautus.
>nuclear
>chemical
>biological
>anti-force/force-fuckery
just to be certain.

if you are at war with the Jedi, kill on capture. no dramatic villain speech, just kill. and if they seem immortal its a trick, contact your local sith inquisitor.

those objects were heavy

>Blasters became standard because they penetrated everything and made armor moot,though this makes no sense from a realism standpoint because they are generally significantly less accurate than slugthrowers, severely limiting engagement distances.
>Ironically, the ubiquity of blasters made people more or less give up on wearing armor,making slugthrowers effective again for the odd hipster assassin.
Akshually the old EU stated that armor like storm troopers wore was capable of standing up to clone war era blaster pistols/carbines for at least a couple shots and the plates were almost completely immune to slug weapons and shrapnel.
They die in droves because lol plot and rebels use modern military grade blasters or illegally modded civilian blasters like Han's DL44.

"size matters not"
t. Green Goblin

It was slug thrower I think. In the old expanded universe a bounty hunter tried to shoot a jedi with one, the jedi tried to block it like a blaster and got red hot slag launched in his face. I haven't read that stuff in years so don't quote me on this. Doesn't matter though seeing as it's not cannon anymore.

>What makes a small piece of lead traveling at high speed any different than another material object hurtling towards a master Jedi?
Energy and time. Using their TK on an object requires concentration and time to overcome that object's energy.
>How can a Jedi not just wave the rockets away? They can focus on blaster fire enough to dodge or block it, why not slower, larger rockets?
deflecting rockets is easy enough when it's just a single rocket. Deflecting rockets while constantly being shot at is not something any but the most powerful jedi could accomplish. They would have to be able to split their attention between perceiving and defending against the blaster/slug projectiles being shot at them and focus on the rocket(s) long enough to affect them with their TK.
Every jedi that you ever see die to projectile weapons of any kind are because of some kind of hand-waved total surprise(muh order 66) or getting their defenses saturated and overwhelmed.
The old EU books even described saber duels as functioning the same way. The fighters would attack and defend continuously until one of them managed to put enough pressure on their opponent that they could find a hole in their defense to exploit.

Do you have any idea the inconsistent nature of an explosion let alone all the millions of different types of munitions and calibers in use among the 5 million inhabited star systems, you don't just get shot at once and then "Get how they all work" instantly.

Fucks sake, dude.

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Why don't force sensitives seem to use blasters in the movie universe? Luke appears to be the only one who is aware of his abilities and rocks one (see Episode 5), but even he bailed on it by Episode 6. Doesn't make sense, as force premonition obviously gives you an edge in shot placement, as shown when Luke dumbfires his proton torpedoes in Ep 4.

I can get it from a tradition perspective in episode 1-3, but by episode 4 that sort of BS should have died out. Certainly by episode 7, you would think Ben Solo would have one since his dad obviously taught him to fly, he'd have taught him to shoot too, and Ben has obvious disdain for both Jedi and Sith traditions.

I also can get that it's probably a liability against a trained and talented force sensitive opponent (see Darth Vader in episode 5 and Rogue one, and Ben Solo in Episode 7), but it just seems like an objectively superior choice in 90% of the situations they find themselves in, and there's nothing keeping you from carrying a saber too on the off chance you need to duel a family member.

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>Not showing them unlimited power.

Saturation attacks, have multiple squads of shooters open fire on them in staggered uncoordinated attacks from multiple positions with conventional kinetic weapons. Jedi fight and defend themselves by using their own focus and the force to instantly calculate the most probable events about to happen in the next second and reacting in ways conducive to their survival automatically as a result of rigorous physical and mental training. By increasing the number of things going on in the battlefield you increase the amount of work the Jedi has to do to find a survivable option and make it more likely that there's simply nothing they can do. Use multiple weapons with different killing effects and projectile velocities, if possible saturate the field of combat with easy and quick to set up traps like mines or claymores which aren't conscious and as such are harder to perceive for the Jedi than living beings. If your forces are non-organic, you could saturate the battlefield with skin-penetrating chemical weapons and CS gas which will not hinder your fighters at all but will kill or incapacitate at least a portion of their biological counterparts and hinder others by forcing them to wear protective garments that are harder to fight in.

Because the people writing Star Wars are so deeply lacking in the fundamentals of being creative that random people on the internet routinely come up with better ideas than they do.

Between force abilities and the lucky coincidence that lightsabers seem to be able to reflect blaster bolts not only with precision but somehow without them losing any power kind of makes it a mute point. If you had the ability to wield a lightsaber successfully in tandem with force powers, it's unquestionably a downgrade.

That being said, Kyle Katarn totally did.

>In the movie universe

Because to the same effect that you had Stormtroopers missing all of the main characters, you'd have Luke Skywalker hopscotching through the Death Star popping headshots left and right and the entire Empire would have been defeated in 20 minutes.

>Watch Luke playing Quake on fucking Stormtroopers

Fuck, I want to see that. Granted that's almost literally Jedi Knight with Kyle even by-engine, but still.

before the rise of the empire there was actually an order of blaster wielding force users. never heard what eventually happened to them, but they weren't unheard of.

two blasters.

Yes, size dosen't matter, but it still takes time to focus on the object to move it. Furthermore the energy of the object being moved matters as Joda struggles with the bigger objects more than the smaller objects. Thus a bullet fired (lots of kinetic energy) would be hard to control. Then given the short time they simply can't do it. There is seemingly also a max distance to the force moving as we never see them pulling guns away from enemies over large distances.

Blasters can fire in space

Modern guns can too with minimal modification.

Shoot them with an AR-15 because Star Wars bullets are slow as fuck and real life bullets would send those freaks to jedi hell.

God fucking bless the United States of America.

>There is seemingly also a max distance to the force moving
Not really. Vader and Joruus C'Baoth were both shown choking people half a galaxy away through comms, so at best there's a very high mastery requirement to it.
The reason why jedi don't rip weapons off their enemies' hands *all the time* (because it happens plenty of times in both the movies and the EU) is narrative convenience, pretty much.

Fucking based.

Modern gunpowder has its own oxidants. The real issue with vacuum would be about lubrication and heat.

If you're drawing from both movies and books, there are force users like Abeloth, who could use the force from literally across the galaxy. Even when Luke was grand marshal, was far stronger than even Yoda, not even he could take her on one by one.

Fire the old masters and hire “you-know-who” to replace them at the Jedi Temple.

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air burst a tsar bomba over them

Kylo ren stopped a blaster bolt from a sniper he didn't know was there at the beginning of TFA so your point is moot.

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yeah man

Cold as fuck

Temp them with a little Jewish girl to impregnate, then use MDE-patented ZioLez™ mind control technology to assault them with visions of said Jewish qt dying in childbirth. Causing them to go insane and kill their fellow Jedi in a desperate bid to save her.

It works every time.

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fuel-air burst

>rocks literally can't kill people anymore unless they are used by niggers

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this is advanced schizoposting

What's the point of Sith keeping their numbers at two at all times? If they were caught on the same starship together when a Rebel fleet came and blew it up the Sith would be destroyed forever.

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They would be constantly fighting and most of them will die, weakening the sith.

It's only schizophrenia when you actually believe the horseshit your posting rather than putting it up to bait your little brother board's autism.

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Bullets duh, the only reason the weapons don't work in the star wars series is because the lazers are SLOW moving thus easier to deflect but if you take a bunch of mosin nagants and fire a volly or just have a bunch of guys jury rig a mini 22lr machile gun and pull the trigger and unleash a bunch of tiny bullets they wont deflect any of that shit since it is moving faster than a lazer and their glowing dildos wont deflect them all.

Literary just use a fucking REAL gun and shoot them and you got yourself a dying jedi.

Heavy repeater

"Eventually, Darth Bane became the sole survivor of a war against the Jedi Order a millennium before the Clone Wars.[3] Recognizing that it was Sith greed and in-fighting that led to their destruction, Bane created the Rule of Two so the Sith could operate in secret, using subterfuge to plot their revenge against the Jedi.[4] Bane developed the philosophy after his personal experiences and by studying ancient Sith documents.[5] Bane thought that this new principle would prevent the power of the dark side from destroying the Sith Order once more."

In addition, real guns, called slug throwers in star wars, are specifically utilized to kill jedi because the metal bullets become molten slag when they pass through a light Saber instead of deflecting like a blaster bolt. So any rounds they DO manage to catch still burn the fuck out of them as molten metal

Not that guy but who gives a shit about what some swole emo fag does?

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Perception, not understanding.

my nigger i got this comic more than a decade ago. absolutely based and redpilled.

Please tell me the Mandalorians won the fight.

obviously it's

WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS

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