I'm asking this question because I honestly don't know, despite years of looking into this.
Considering that the AR-15 is now around 500 dollars easily, and there are plenty of high quality models at 700 or good condition used models below 500... Is it possible for the AR-18 or any other comparable weapon to ever be competitive on a cost or manufactured numbers basis in the modern era?
A good AK in the US is like 800-1000 dollars, and outside of reliability it's going to be a worse weapon in all respects.
The AR-15 is an appliance rifle for people who want a gun that's accurate, reliable, etc. and don't care about anything else. It's the Glock 19 of rifles, and that's fine.
Justin Scott
After the WWSD project finished, it became possible for a 800 dollar AR-15 to be better then guns twice as expensive.
The AR-15 is breaking my mind.
Grayson Reed
The WWSD rifle was really cool, but it cost a lot more than $800.
Levi Gutierrez
You can buy a
Parker Flores
>Is it possible for the AR-18 or any other comparable weapon to ever be competitive on a cost or manufactured numbers basis in the modern era? I don't think so. CNC manufacturing has gotten so cheap and commonplace that it largely pushed out stamped guns. Notice how most new rifles are milled aluminum and polymer. In the future we might see better all-polymer designs. That could possibly undercut cheap milled aluminum. But for now it's all ARs. It has the market traction and parts can be manufactured by many companies
Joseph White
>appliance rifle for people who want a gun that's accurate, reliable, etc. and don't care about anything else. not OP but thanks for this post
Anthony Reyes
Uh, the Scar and Japs are keeping Ar-18's alive. AR-15 seems to be it until they change calibers or even types of ammo, at that point who knows what will happen? Or when that might happen.
Ive wanted an AK underfolder as a first rifle since forever, now that I'm finally in the market and looking seriously it's impossible to justify with the glut of high quality ARs stocked in every store. I'm probably gonna buy a 499 Sport II and die a little inside.
Matthew Harris
just get the undafolda you bitch
Justin Morris
this, it doesn't matter if it's expensive to buy, expensive to feed, if you truly want it you won't regret it
Kayden Davis
The barrel, lower receiver, basic parts, free float furniture, and free float barrel were under 800 dollars put together.
AKs that cost 700, like the RAS-47 fall apart before 5,000 rounds.
Parker Carter
SCAR is a gucci gun Type 89 is ordered in such small lots it costs .mod.jp gucci gun prices for the best rifle of 1975
Blake Roberts
You mean the BREN CZ 2 right?
Josiah Reed
Meanwhile WASR goes 10,000 without issue. What can we learn? Buy American AR, not AK.
Jace Campbell
The AR-15 has such a massive economy of scale and aftermarket in the US that I don't see how any comparable rifle would be able to compete with it price wise. There are companies with the sole purpose of churning out receiver forgings or bolts and bolt carriers. I think it would require the US military to adopt a rifle (to create enough demand since people like owning what the military uses), that is significantly better, that is simpler to manufacture, somehow wasn't patented so anybody could make it, and doesn't require insurmountable start up costs.
Hudson Hernandez
This. Although desu keep your eyes peeled on that PSAK. I doubt it'll run as good as a WASR but it seems to be holding its own so far.
Benjamin Rodriguez
Is the Galil Ace Aluminum and Polymer?
Jack Thompson
Yes.
Nicholas Jones
The AR-18? That's not even fourth or fifth on the list of AR-15 alternatives out there. It'd be well behind the Garand family (Mini, M1A, Carbine, Garand), the SKS, the AK, the PC Carbine, and the Sub2K.
Lucas White
The WWSD is an interesting build but it is full of Faxon garbage, and the GWACs lower has been out of production for over a year now with promises of an update broken. It's something that should inspire your builds but should not be copied verbatim.
Benjamin Brooks
PSA Gen 2 passed the 5K test, I wished Rob went a 5K more
Hudson Butler
Neither. It’s a milled steel receiver with a plastic insert that forms the pistol grip. The 7.62x39 doesn’t need the lower and it acts more or less like a magazine guide. It can function fine wihout it and even fit og galil furniture. The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO variants, however, need those inserts as they hold the magazine.
Aiden Barnes
Is it made via CNC machine? >Is full of pencil barrel that shoots 1MOA and doesn't have deviation even when hot >G36 and early AR-10 hated by troops because pencil barrel gets hot too fast, then droops. So tell me, how cheap is meth?
Caleb Robinson
what companies make decent ARs that are 'cheap'?
Jace Edwards
I mean brownels has rheirnar180 upper. Maybe it will become successful overtime.
Easton Foster
>So tell me, how cheap is meth? depends on the quality and if your dealer is using what they're selling
Ryder Foster
What if we made an AR-15 that looked like a Galil Ace, with only the outside and the gas system being the same?
Cameron Allen
I'm sure the company that bought all of Cavarms's tooling and has never had to R&D molds before will have their Mk3 lower ready to go any day now.
Gavin Wood
AR15's can fire 20,000 rounds, AK47's can only do 5,000 rounds before their rail cracks.
Monolithic AK receiver is a disadvantage in all of murica, an AR upper can simply be swapped out.
Julian Harris
Underfolder is alright. Doesn't work for mags larger than 30, the foregrip is wobbly as fuck folded, it's alright when it's out and the retaining pins are fond of falling out. Way better than a romy made for a child soldier tho.
Andrew Mitchell
It's more of an issue with the bolt, I think.
Adrian James
Yeah on economy of scale but if murica invented the AK we'd be seeing them for $200.
Samuel Brooks
I think the cam pin on the AR is the weak point, ignoring the ridiculous gas system.
AK rails also include the extractor. Shits made out of sheet metal, only paperwork is making them expensive in murica.
Caleb Cooper
It costs Cugir about $240 to pop out a WASR. The rest is tax, tariff, fees, and Century being kikes.
Charles Diaz
>wasr goes 10k without issue Lmaooooooooooo next you'll say the c308 isn't a piece of shit
Isaiah Cook
Have you not seen the video? The weakpoint on the AK is the bolt.
Carson Gutierrez
>So tell me, how cheap is meth? I wouldn't know.
I do know I've spent good money with faxon and for my money I got parts with shit fitment and comcast customer service.
Bentley Moore
PSA, Smith and Wesson
Nicholas Sanchez
> AK47's can only do 5,000 rounds before their rail cracks. What retard? AKs can do 100k before the rails crack fucking brainlet.
Jace Gray
I've seen them crack of less then 5,000, over and over.
Ian Lewis
Stop looking at American AKs
Carter Stewart
>that shit >better than a $1600 AR ok retard
Sebastian Morgan
what about ruger?
Grayson Perry
>Guns >Not other AR >Other guns, clearly Made by who?
>A good AK in the US is like 800-1000 dollars, and outside of reliability it's going to be a worse weapon in all respects.
And gas piston ARs exist.
Aaron Mitchell
What retarded rock are you living under? This isn't some controversial opinion, it's video-documented proof. > you'll say the c308 isn't a piece of shit Century produced/assembled =/=century imported. Century imports the WASR. They only mill out the magwell, and now that they have proper machines instead of drunks with dremels, they don't fuck that up.
C308's are shit because century does a few welds on them and is making them from used parts kits, and deciding which pieces to QC reject. They don't do any of that on WASRs.
>Buy 500 dollar AR in 7.62x39mm >Replace gas-system >AK's cry because lonelyness >Profit
Carter Davis
Do it. Listen to these anons. I had choice of bitcoin at $800 or milled underfolder. I figured if bitcoin did go up in price I would never have chance to pick out the best milled AK underfolder out 15 milled underfolders in front of me. Worth it, especially how hard it is to find good and proper AK that was not molested.
Parker Williams
AR-15s perform a lot better then Glocks.
Isaiah Murphy
battlefield vegas's wasrs run without issues until around 70k rounds
Alexander Brown
>AK rails also include the extractor. Shits made out of sheet metal, only paperwork is making them expensive in murica.
how does the ak rail pull rounds out of the chamber?
Liam Brown
>things that never happened.
Jaxon Powell
RAS 47's don't count
Juan Lee
>a pistol out-performing a pistol quite the stretch, user
PSA. Check out the premium selection for FN CHF barrels.
Jace Campbell
That's what killed it for me.
Tyler Butler
I meant to say AKSU.
Chase Torres
Are there still places that could have an easier time just making huge stamping factories, over places with CNC machines?
Maybe the third world as it industrializes?
Nathaniel Harris
The short gas system means less mass out front to slow the gun down and fuck up the balance, and it's 2019 so nobody cares how long the sight radius on your backup irons is. The short gas system also means that you can either build it as a rifle or cut the barrel as short as you want and build it up as a pistol/SBR.
Strictly speaking, AKSU sights would be an "improvement", since the AKSU rear is canilevered back over the receiver dust cover for a longer sight radius.
Bentley Jenkins
stamping is just 1950s injection molding nobody's gonna spend $$$$$$$ tooling up to compete with Cugir, etc. when they could spend the same moeny making plastic garbage instead
Zachary Scott
>battleshill vegas I own a wasr and its a piece of shit. I dont care what any of you meme parrots say. Everything century touches is shit.
Hunter Reyes
accurate. If you're gunna spend money milling stamping dies you could spend the same money milling injection mold dies.
Some small operations might choose stamping since it's easier to halfass the equipment. Or existing stamping companies like Masterpiece Arms. But most companies will just contract out the injection molded polymer.
Jacob Jenkins
>milled underfolder I am not sure this even exists. Just get a wasr.
Ryder Reyes
the AR 18 system is still relevant if you're trying to make a short barrel AR or if you want to suppress stuff. not to mention the G36, L85, SCAR, CZ Bren, M27 IAR, and HK 416 are totally alive and doing really well.
Logan Morales
>buy an AR is 7.62x39 >have to buy ugly as fuck non bakelite mags that cost more than steel ak mags >bolt lugs are known to break off with even small round counts
Parker Cooper
Explain.
Brandon Anderson
you can just get a receiver and the expensive parts and then get something like an AK 63DS which is sub $600 as of right now. or you could do the reverse and get a basic bitch AR and a Hungarian AK 63 underfolding AK parts kit (which is about $300 with all parts minus barrel and receiver).
Jackson Butler
>rheirnar180 Did you have a stroke, buddy? Like, not making fun. Are you okay?
Think about how much longer the gas system should be.
Michael Baker
Do you know how long it took them to get gas systems of that length to be reliable?
Bentley Hernandez
Actually, now that you mention it, that's a full-length AK gas system. It just looks shorter because of the front sight gas block.
Cooper Foster
too fucking long, considering that all they needed to do was run a 5 oz. buffer like the M16 has and open up the gas port a litttle
Alexander Cruz
this has GOT to be BAIT. There are Soviet era AKM's still in servix in AFG GTFO
Landon Jones
>milled underfolder >I am not sure this even exists Yeah not in today’s market. Bulgarian, Chinese, Yugo just to name a few for ones can get. Don’t see many come up any more.
Jason Evans
Must suck that people like will never know and experience non-american AKs
Gabriel Martinez
why they don't make this a "pistol" or virgin receiver, i don't know. I probably would have bought one if i knew i could cut down the barrel.
