Self Defense Stories?

I was LITERALLY in the process of shooting him, my gun has a heavy double action trigger, I was already in the process of pulling the trigger but he stopped coming at me at around 8 feet give or take, when he stopped, I slowly released pressure off the trigger, this guy didn't know how close he came to being ventilated. Had I had my glock on me instead, chances are I would have shot him.

Good thing you didn't. Legally, you might have been "right", but the liberal prosecutor still would have gone after you. After all, you're the one who provoked the confrontation. This poor innocent mentally ill man was just innocently minding his own business in your yard, after all!

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I don't think it's called brandishing when someone is in your property, in the middle of the night, charging you with a 2x4. He charged me PRECISELY because he didn't know I had a gun, I had it concealed. I drew it on him to shoot him, not to scare him off. It just so happened he became scared as I pulled the gun in order to shoot him. He got pretty close to me but stopped when he saw I was armed, he was extremely close to being shot by a milisecond.

you retard. you draw for only 1 reason: to shoot. And you shoot for only 1 reason: to stop the aggressor for good. Now you basically told the nigger that 1. you have a pistol but 2. you don't have the gut to use it. He will probably come back with friends for sure to get your gun and everything else.

That was actually my biggest fear in the whole ordeal, having to shoot him and deal with the potential legal head aches of having defended myself in California, not my life or his. There's cameras here in the area, so I am pretty sure I'd be in the clear 100%, it would show him charging me with a weapon, in my property, and me drawing only in order to shoot.

Please refer to

If he does believe that, then I better start looking for really good lawyers, because he was about to be shot in the next milisecond.

I don't know about California but in a lot of places, you can't get any sort of menacing or brandishing charge on your own property as long as you spin it the right way.
>grabbed gun to investigate noise in my back yard
>used flashlight on gun to blind and deter attacker
>was prepared to shoot if my life was in danger but gave the jackass the benefit of the doubt
This same exact thing happened to me in MI except when he moved toward me, I shot him twice. It was a huge fucking fiasco and I highly recommend descalation if at all possible.

It's absolutely insane, where I live is like a scene from South Park's "Change" episode. There's so many homeless people, and the maority of them are from Central America. They are always breaking into homes, cars, and attacking people on the street.

Did he live? How'd the resulting legal shit go? If you don't mind explaining

>I highly recommend descalation if at all possible.
this forever and ever

>when he stopped, I slowly released pressure off the trigger

should have fully pressed it and fired. you hesitated, and if he didn't you might not have made it out. remember, liberal judges coming after you afterwards or not, the main reason you have a gun is to defend yourself 100%, not 50%. you are lucky in more ways than you think

>It was a huge fucking fiasco

what happened? did the family try coming after you?

Prob the best outcome you could hope for in that situation.
Really push that move-the-fuck-outta-there schedule.

Truth be told, all said and done, I am very happy he stopped charging me at the last split second, and that I had a gun with a heavy double action trigger pull. Had I come out with my 1911 or Glock, I wouldn't be on here sharing this story with my bros, I would be in Downtown with a lawyer. I know I wouldn't get charged for brandishing, because I didn't brandish it, I pulled it from my concealed carry holster ONLY once the armed man charged me, and I pulled it ONLY to shoot him. But he stopped mid stride, what was I supposed to do? Shoot a man that was now standing still? The guy saved his life, and I cannot reiterate enough, by a split second. My trigger finger was already pulling on the trigger.

>should have fully pressed it and fired
why? This was clearly not a case of aggression. the asshole was just dicking around in the OP yard. You should call police for stuff like this because you lost in the long term. both legally and personally.

I am not american, but i think op did it right. No need to kill anybody if you can scare him. None of those guys that shout "draw only to shot" will face any legal problem from saying it, but do it and you'll face a lot of legal problems.
Everybody is a cold blood killer in internet, but there is no need to fuck your life in the real world.
Just think that you solved your problem, you got that guy out of your backyard, and you showed him that you are armed, that you arent a easy prey. That shit about coming back is just to save his face.
Anyway putting a cheap camera to cover your backyard coukd be a good idea

Okay seriously the Brandishing thing was a joke because LA. I'm glad you didn't have to shoot anyone.

I'd hardly call it hesitating when I was 100% sure I was going to shoot him, and was pulling the trigger in order to do so, I was dead set on it. There's cameras all over this Hospital owned property might I add. It would just show me rightfully drawing on an armed intruder charging me (no legal problem there), but then he literally stopped as soon as I drew and aimed for my shot, had I continued to pull the trigger, it would have been on a man which was TECHNICALLY no longer combative, though I agree with you, that he is still a threat ultimately.

Correct me if I am wrong though, I can't shoot someone just because I feel threatened by them, doesn't my life have to be in immediate danger to use lethal force? Charging at me with weapon = immediate danger, so I was going to shoot him. Stopped charging me = not, so I stopped the process of shooting him.

>those guys that shout "draw only to shot"
Yes, my point was "draw only to shot". But the suggestion is not "next time better to shoot". Instead is "next time don't draw".

ok thats more info, I guess you were in the right I was retarded. but I would go with the other anons suggesting moving your schedule for moving sooner than later. you just never know if that crazy bastard was serious or not.

"next time don't draw"

So... just have some fat Mexican guy wail at you with a 2x4 in your yard before you decide to draw? By then it might be too late. The best time to draw and shoot, is before they close the distance on you, not when they're already on top of you like what happened to the ZimZam. What happened to ZimZam could have gone South very quick, if that little negro was beating his fat ass, he could have potentially even disarmed ZimZam and killed him with his own gun. Luckily that's not what happened.

Guns exist EXACTLY for dealing with someone from range, that is their purpose. It's a projectile weapon. If someone with a melee weapon starts attacking you, you draw and shoot from a distance.

>>naturally I assume he was pepper sprayed for a good reason
>>I tell him exactly that, that he's most likely pepper sprayed for trouble making and that he needs to leave

Why were you being a dick?

You don't always have to shoot to kill OP. You did good, you stopped the threat, but I'd keep an eye out for that cholo and his friends.

Thanks man, glad to hear you can see it from my side. Yes I will most definitely be keeping an eye out for him in these next couple of days, him or anyone suspicious. And I'll be working on getting out of here ASAP. It's been on my list of things to do, but it will have to take priority.

Why do you suck dick?

Because there was a fucking cholo in his yard?

>Not an act of aggression

A (likely illegal alien) who just got pepper sprayed and fled from hospital security guards after he tried to fight them with a knife, is in your back yard. When confronted he becomes verbally and physically aggressive to the point of brandishing and charging with a blunt instrument.

I would have wasted that guy with zero hesitation.

Probably because he was in my property for starters, and he was a dick first actually, one of the very first things he told me was to "fuck off". Again, on private property, in the middle of the night. Either way, even if he wasn't a dick, I'd still tell him to leave my property.

Most likely a Eurocuck

He did die in the hospital that night but they said he might have lived if he wasn't drugged out. Guess they couldn't stabilize him enough to operate. Initially was arrested but all charges were dropped at the hearing. The guy was cracked out and had just beaten my elderly neighbor almost to death and tried to rush me in my garage. Literally was unpacking from a rabbit hunt so all I had was a side by side with with no. 5 shot and I put both loads in his guts. Family tried to sue but ultimately couldn't afford a lawyer. Whole thing cost me probably 5K.

>Pulling gun
>LA
You lucky bastard.

>draw only to shot
Civilian training demands this because we don't think they can't handle complicated situations. Weird how they don't train military and LEO to "draw only to shot", right? Real world is a grey area. OP was able to calm things down. This ended well.

Yup, definitely sounds like Michigan. What county did this happen in?

>Most likely a Eurocuck
pasta, to be more accurate.
My whole point is that the nigger was not a threat for OP until he confronted him, escalating into one only possibile outcome: draw the gun and (probably) shoot. The conflict could have been de-escalated. Obviously when the nigger started charging it was too late.

I agree with you, it's extremely easy to spout that internet tough guy stuff over the internet, but in real life it's completely different. From my understanding, there are studies that show 300,000 to 400,000 instances of self defense with guns happening A YEAR in the USA, it just so happens that most of those never get brought up, because they ended in the attacking party being scared off by what people call "brandishing", which typically ends in the most hassle free way. Rather than having a coroner, investigation, and potential legal fees. Not to mention family members coming after you, whether legally, professionally, or physically because you killed their dindu.

get the fuck out of LA.

Washtenaw, Ypsi has really gone to shit in the last 20 years.

>damn user. gotta remember to always have my shit loaded after a shoot. Im glad you arnt in jail or dead but wish it didnt cost you 5k.

What kind of a man hides in his home hoping for the bad man to go away? If some degenerate criminal is in your property, in your yard, you're just going to let him chill out there for as long as he wants? Even though the police are unresponsive?

lmao he was right tho

>you dont have to shoot to kill
Actually you do. That's why guns exist, dumbshit.
There is nowhere on the human body you can shoot that won't count as attempted murder in court. If you shoot to wound, even in a situation that is unquestionably self defense, a zealous prosecutor can fucking hang you for "not fearing for your life" but still shooting anyway. And then the victim's fifty million family members get to crawl out of the woodwork and sue you for shooting that good boy who was on his way to church. While he limps into court on crutches and cries on the stand in front of the jury about how he's getting his life together.

If you're drawing a gun in self defense, you're drawing to defend your life against an existential threat and you'd better fucking shoot accordingly. Otherwise you will get wrecked in civil court afterwards- and risk getting wrecked in criminal court too.

OP did the right thing in his situation, but only through sheer dumb luck and quick reflexes. Shooting anybody, ever, is a shit circus afterwards. If he'd have had to shoot that guy, it would've been best for OP if the guy had died with the weapon in his hand.

You only draw your weapon if your life is in danger, and then you shoot accordingly. If a stranger attacks you or threateningly brandishes a weapon against you on your own property, you have no choice but to assume (rightly so) that he intends to kill you. And you carry a gun so that you can kill him before he kills you. Period.

Jesus, that is the most cucked area of Michigan to boot as well. I go to EMU's CoB and I really enjoy the halfway houses that line the streets there. Ypsilanti seemed like a nice city at one point but urban decay is catching up to it. Hell, I'm starting to see pan handlers now on the streets along with blatant drug addicts.

How long was it until you were released from custody? Which department even arrested you?

Someone help the boomer off his soapbox before he hurts himself

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If you are in a defensive situation, shoot to wound ;)

Michael Strickland. 40 days in jail and banned from owning guns, all for brandishing in a situation he perceived as life-threatening but that wasn't bad enough to justify firing his weapon. After those who menaced him had broken his arm a few weeks earlier.

If you live in a state that's not actively hostile to gun owners, your unwritten rules might be different. But if you're in cali or other areas, only draw if you need to kill someone.

He is not wrong you retards.

Civil courts fuck you every way the possibly can when it comes to the use of a fire arm in self defense.

He is right, despite coming across as a dick. Shooting to wound is not a good idea. Killing people is hard enough as it is, let alone incapacitating them. When someone charges you, it's extremely hard to get aimed shots on an armed attacker to get him to drop his weapon, or his legs to stop movement. The way the American justice system is designed, it would punish me, not the attacker. Because as that user stated, shooting him in the legs could be argued in court, to "prove" my life wasn't in immediate danger, which is why I didn't go for his CNS or vitals, but instead shot for his extremities.

What saved OP from spending a night with the police, was his choice of weapon, reflexes, and as he said, pure dumb luck.

If by not "shooting to kill" you were implying that everytime a gun is pulled out, it doesn't NEED to be fired, I would agree with you, and so would hundreds and thousands of Americans who get criminals to fuck off purely by the sight of a gun. But if you meant shooting extremities to deter an attacker, that's not a good idea, not in combat, or in court.

>the chad fill them with lead until he drops dead vs the virgin shoot to would to meet the entire family in court

so let me ask you faggots, do dead men talk?

Should have just wasted him even when he stopped charging. It would have looked like he was charging you and you smoked him anyways and now he's either going to come back with friends or best case scenario he leaves you alone and stabs someone else like your neighbor. When engaged with rapscallions you must understabd these people ARE NOT LIKE YOU they are selfish enough to impose upon other members of society and demand they accomadate them. These people are the kind to pull a knife at a hospital and the kind to trespass with violent intent, just help out your fellow citizen and smoke the fool regardless of how you feel. You may have signed your death warrant or let some other well meaning citizen take a knife in the gut.

Sucks, any other state you could have blapped him and claimed self defense.

>he thought your gun was a taser
This raises an interesting point that I've never seen discussed in the gun community. That is, having a gun that recognizably looks like a gun for the purpose of having a crim realize you've pulled a gun on them.
What kind of gun do you have op? Was this guy retarded or does your gun actually look like a taser?

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It's important to take into consideration what state and city OP is in. OP also stated that there's cameras all around, if he did what you wanted him to do, shoot a man who stopped his charge, it would be manslaughter through and through, not in another state perhaps, but definitely in Cali. There's only so much a man can do. If you're TRULY interested in getting rid of criminals, start by killing all the politicians who allow the filth like this in the first place. That way you'll save millions of people from being stabbed, rather than just yourself/a neighbor, while rotting in prison for rifghtfully disposing of trash.

>tells me he'll come back and people get "killed for that shit" (that I pulled a weapon on him)

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>picks up a 2x4

Start by cleaning up your back yard, you filthy animal. Then install some motion sensor lights. LEDs, as many lumens as you can find, in the 5K color range. That should keep them away.

I've seriously considered stainless slides for that purpose. I've heard other stories of criminals not recognizing a gun in the dark.

Drawing seems to be what de-escalated the situation.

Perhaps, but if he is crazy enough, and has friends crazy enough like him, to try to kill me for what he believes to be me pulling a tazer on him, then they'll definitely be much more determined to kill me had I killed their friend. Either way, there's no winning with these people. Though I do definitely agree that people like that need to be culled from society.

It was a compact all black 9mm polymer handgun. But he was just peppered sprayed perhaps 5 to 10 minutes ago, it was a dark night, I was wearing all black (gun had no contrast against my body), and it has a light on it, which was flashing at his face and blinding him. I could have had a giant stainless steel revolver, but he might not have noticed given his condition, and the light on his face.

Yes he is right, which is why he was a hair away from being killed himself, as he pulled a weapon on me first, and two other security guards before me.

He didn't pick it up from my yard, during telling him to leave, he walked into the street, and picked it up from where construction is happening, that's when he rushed me.

Very true, had my gun not had a light on it, he might not have even recognized I was drawing to shoot him. The light really scared him off, more than anything. I am not entirely sure, but due to me being dressed in all black, him having been pepper sprayed by two security guards 5 minutes before our confrontation, and him still being within the vicinity of the hosptial, I believe he might have thought i was a security guard.

>Drawing seems to be what de-escalated the situation.
milliseconds away from OP pulling the trigger? If the OP story is true the life of the nigger was pure luck at this point. Drawing in my opinion is not a good option to escalate anything

Exhausting. What is there even to converse about? Tell cholo to get off your property. The second he picked up a 2x4 and charged I would’ve mag dumped. Move out of the ghetto.

Checked

Should of given him a 115gr sleeping pill

Everyone has a different take on what should haver happened, or if what happened was right, but the general consensus is, "move out of the ghetto", duly noted.

I'm going to have to agree with the general consensus. You've had to deal with violent thugs on numerous occasion AND you live in an area where the legal system criminalizes crime victims, so if you had to defend yourself, you wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt. One of those two things has got to change.
Frankly, I don't know how anyone can live there. It's like their head is constantly on the chopping block.

not really self-defence but
>some guy knocks on my door at fucking 11:30 PM
>grab my gun and hold it by my side
>open the wooden front door, but leave the secondary gate door locked
>ask the guy what he wants
>asks for a lighter, says something about his girlfriend kicking him out idk
>tell him I don't have one
>he looks at me for a few seconds and then says okay and walks away
thankfully that's the worst I've ever experienced

Seriously. Where I live if a group of dudes were loitering in my backyard in the middle of the night I give even odds I could magdump on them from my window and I’d get a pat on the back from the sheriff. Where OP lives sounds like an enormous shithole

There's no right answer to a self-defense situation. That OP is alive and not in jail means he most likely did the right thing.

Would advise moving as soon as you can

The dude was in his backyard shut up.

Fake.

Should have sued the family for putting you through that ordeal. It shouldn’t cost you a cent for defending your home and/or property.

>pepper sprayed faggot on your property asks you for milk and tells you to fuck off
>"ayy why you bein a dick to him esse he dindu nuffin"

>having a gun that recognizably looks like a gun for the purpose of having a crim realize you've pulled a gun on them.
Nothing beats the sound of a 12 gauge pump chambering a round.

I see like 2 stories in this 80 post thread and the rest is faggots arguing

welcome to Jow Forums newfriend

>live in pennsylvania
>neighborhood is a little rough
>hard to get ccw so don't have gun
>constantly harassed by negros
> go to the store harassed
>go to park harassed
>trying to move but very poor still live with parents
>go to play some basketball
>get in one little fight and my mom got scared
>moved and got a ccw
>pretty good now

Why sue someone who does not even have enough money to sue you?

goddammit

All the people saying 'should have shot, only draw if you're going to shoot' may not have been in this situation. It's easy to say that, but when the shit's going down and you're drawing your gun in anticipation of a crackhead or someone charging you, all that's going through your head is how much bullshit paperwork and time is going to be spent dealing with the fallout. Brandishing is a valid self-defense strategy. I think the wisdom about being ready to shoot means more that you are mentally and physically prepared to end the life of whoever you're up against, so you get into that position: low or high ready based on distance, safety off, target in sight, clear your head. In that position, you actually feel weirdly calm and start weighing the options. If they make any quick movement you're going to blast them, but people usually have a bit more self-preservation instinct when they're staring at the business end of a gun.

I think in the suburbs and such, you know, someone has already broken into your house, makes sense to blast them. If you're innacity, you just have to deal with rowdy tweakers and that sort of trash blowing through on the wind sometimes. If they aren't actually breaking into your house but are just fucking around in your lawn sizing up what scrap to steal, they leave and don't return pretty quick once they are informed of the power dynamics of the situation. In exchange for not killing them, you don't have to stay up all night talking to cops and lawyers.

>Los Angeles
>”my property”
Shitty LARP, but if not enjoy having your asshole torn apart by gang members

>cholo might come back

Lol that moron is never coming back. He couldn't see you had a gun, I really doubt he could make out your face. He stumbled from the hospital pepper sprayed, and likely drugged out, so i also doubt he could find his way back to your place.

I would say next time, unless you have a pet in the yard or whatever, don't go outside. Open a window and tell him to fuck off. Less risk to yourself doing that

So a psycho junkie charges you with a 2x4 and you... don't shoot him? And then he makes threats saying he's going to come back and kill you, all of this occurring on YOUR property?

Op you're a moron. Should've turned his upper chest into Swiss cheese. It would probably solve your bum problem too once the other hobos hear about it.

kek

>be spic
>first instinct is to punch a gentleman asking for some milk
Never change, OP

retard alert

I took my driving test at 22. There's a part where you have to slow down to a school zone's speed limit. Guy behind me didn't like that and was tailgating and honking the whole time. Driving tester pulled out his cellphone and was calling the police on that guy when he legit rammed me off the road. I spun but managed to avoid hitting anything but the curb and some innocent grass. Came to a stop, asked the tester if he was okay and then noticed the other guy getting out of his truck with a baseball bat. I remember saying "oh shit he has a bat" unbuckling, and getting out right as he smashed my rear windshield. Drew down on him as he was heading for me and (this was picked up on the 911 call) yelled at him to "DROP THE GUN OR I WILL SHOOT YOU". Yeah, I knew he was holding a bat but I was getting mixed up because of the adrenaline.

Luckily he did drop the bat almost instantly. He also got on the ground without prompting and kept saying "fuck I'm sorry I didn't know you were cops". The driving tester stayed on the phone and it went pretty smoothly after the police arrived. Guy I was holding at gunpoint was drunk and started crying and apologizing the whole time. My dad's car had to be towed and was considered total but at least insurance and suing the truck guy covered the cost of a new one. I got roasted pretty hard by the tester but he passed me since I was doing really well up to that point and CAUSING an accident is a failure but it said nothing about being intentionally rammed. Also preventing him from getting beaten with a baseball bat probably helped. Not the most exciting story but it's the only time I've ever had to use my pistol for self defense.

ayy I also owned a gun before having my driver's license

By law, wouldn’t they have to pay you if you sued them?

fake and gay

Doesn't mean they'll actually pay up.

And even if they did, you have to weigh what it would cost to bring a lawsuit vs how much you would actually get out of it.

Are you fucking slow? if in the middle of the night anyone is in your yard I don't care where you live they don't belong there and they are not just a friendly neighbor asking for some milk. It is very common for thugs to knock and ask for something simple and when you go to get it/ turn around they attack. I hope you get your door kicked in you nigger.

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