TFW you realize this was the story of a dedicated professional trying to take a fat, unmotivated...

>Sucky sucky 5 darraa
>You want buy GI?

>You want buy GI?
poetry

Verbally and physically abusing someone isn't a very healthy way of motivating them.
Isn't the whole point of basic to make sure a recruit can handle the stress of combat?

Damn I thought I was the only one. It's total fucking shit compared to the amazing first half.

It shouldn't have.

Pyle was drafted. It was more about getting literally anybody fit enough to fight the VC. They just needed meat in the jungle

He took it too far and was all stick, no carrot. Just your run of the mill sadist. Pyle did nothing wrong by ventilating him.

pyle couldn't even tie his fucking boots. he was clearly not right in the head in some way. iirc they even say that in the book, in the movie it's just visually implied. should just never have been drafted.

and if your job is to break people, you kinda have it coming if you happen to have to do it to the wrong people.

Everyone in here posting about how the second half sucks is a child who didn't get the point of the movie. Besides, the second half is more Jow Forumsino. Fags.

No. Look, I get what it's been meme'd into here, but the whole fucking thing was an antiwar piece, and it worked. It's representative of all the things that allowed the commies to come out on top, and why the US hasn't been united against an enemy since, except for maybe the month following 9/11. Uncle Ho's tactics broke our NATIONAL morale. Hollywood perpetuated it. You bought it.

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One guy gets it out of all these mouth breathing brainlettes. The duality of man is reflected in Pyle by his two mentors in training, Drill Instructor Hartman and Joker. Hartman's job is to turn recruits into killers and Pyle would have been his master piece except for one mistake he made, he gave Pyle to Joker. Where Hartman is a methodical killer, Joker is his opposite. By placing Pyle in a position of absorbing to opposing mentors, Pyle becomes an abomination. He has the mind of a killer, but a heart that cannot reconcile taking a life. Pyle kills Hartman, and them himself because he is the embodiment of the duality of man, a savage beast and a gentle sage. He cannot reconcile that and ultimately self destructs.

The second arc is the final transformation of Joker into what Hartman wanted, a cold blooded killer. Without the second arc the story would be much weaker without seeing what the duality of man is when it is in a stable balance.

Shit.

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When i do a rewatch i barely pay attention to the first half not gunna lie. If i wanted to watch some fat body retard fail at everything id watch a video of myself.

sounds pretty gay my dude

Protip: Leonard became Animal Mother. Leonard "killed himself" by turning himself into a killer. "Killing" the DI was an expression of the old guard handing over the keys to the kingdom, so to speak.

Unpopular opinion: The later part of Apocalypse Now (basically everything after they pass the wrecked B-52) is slow and forgettable, and worth skipping.

I think it's François Truffaut who argued that there is no such thing as an anti-war film. Cinema inherently glorifies combat regardless of the directors intentions. Everyone who saw the movie got the same feeling watching it as everyone in this thread: thinking "badass"

Besides this movie came out in 1987, I don't really think it had much effect on US morale in a war that was over for a decade plus

Only because the gay is inside you.

They say it straight up in the movie too.
>Leonard talks to his rifle...
>i think Leonard is a section 8...

You're overanalyzing the whole Pyle/Joker dynamic. Pyle wasn't all there to begin with and Hartman pushed him over the edge. Joker wasn't really an opposing mentor that fucked up Pyle's psyche.

I don't think Pyle is a representation of duality, but more simply a representation of what happens when someone is pushed to their limits in war, and how the military was drafting people that should have never been drafted.

Pyle gets broken down by Hartman, and realizes that he's going to take further abuse in the jungle when he gets deployed.
>I am in a world of shit!
It's all pointless, there's no escape. There's no real reward for basic, it's all for nothing. So he blows away his tormentor and offs himself.

Pyle is the domestic byproduct of the war machine.

;_;7

It's a Kubrick film, there is no such thing as over analyzing a Kubrick film.

Fair enough, I just think the "joker vs hartman schism" is off base.

Pyle, to me, represents that the Vietnam War was kind of pointless, there's nothing to be fixed, there's no reward coming... just an insane shitstorm where one side kills the other and destroys themselves in the process.

You're right, death to the author. And I'm not suggesting it affected the war effort then, but Hollywood in general taking up the anti war propaganda torch that was lit by the viet minh. That demoralized our nation to a ridiculous degree, and then during the cold war following, the Russians drove it home as best they could. I'm saying that a number of factors, including this one, have brought us to where we are, and why we're so divided. It wasn't about morale for veitnam, it was about morale, unity, and pride in our nation overall that was stolen from us. There will not be a popular war again. We will never see a war effort like WWII in which US citizens made themselves "uncomfortable" with meatless mondays and wheatless wednesdays to aid the war effort.Where people were planting poppies for the same. There never will again exist that sense of unity. And it began, for us, in Vietnam. That's where we were broken as a people.

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That is the nice thing about Kubrick films, his symbolism is layered.

Hot take: Animal Mother is Pyle born again hard.

Joker kills the sniper out of compassion. Everyone else was willing to let her bleed out in pain. Joker retained his humanity still. Your analysis is incorrect.

To be fair, you could say there is a duality thing going on with Pyle. But he's more about how circumstances and propaganda mold people into something fucked up, and how pointless the war was from the get go.

I think the chopper gunner moreso.

>Pyle, to me, represents that the Vietnam War was kind of pointless, there's nothing to be fixed, there's no reward coming... just an insane shitstorm where one side kills the other and destroys themselves in the process.
Except that's not true. Saving Vietnam from decades of communist oppression, not to mention saving half of Cambodia from being murdered by their own insane government, was a totally worthy cause. It's just that Hollywood Jews sympathize with communists. There's a reason why you never see an antiwar WWII movie out of Hollywood. As far as Hollywood is concerned (I'm looking at you, Fury), murdering surrendering Germans who are pleading for their lives is fine - but if you dare think maybe we should lift a finger to stop Pol Pot, you must be some kind of homicidal maniac.
>I think it's François Truffaut who argued that there is no such thing as an anti-war film.
There have been some. It's hard to get much glory out of A Very Long Engagement, for example. Or out of MASH (especially the TV series) - though admittedly that didn't show much combat, only its aftermath. Or out of Grave of the Fireflies. It's just harder than most directors think it is.
>It's a Kubrick film, there is no such thing as over analyzing a Kubrick film.
Three words: Eyes Wide Shut

>Eyes Wide Shut
Fuuuuccckkkkk that whole movie. That fucked with my head so much. Christ.

Vietnam was fucked up before the US put boots on the ground no doubt. But we didn't really "save" anyone, in many cases we made matters worse. As far as Cambodia, they got pretty well fucked up, and then Laos got dragged into the mess after the US bombed the shit out of them.

We further destabilized the entire region out of geopolitical interest. We didn't really liberate anybody. There were a bunch of dudes who were essentially warlords, that started the mess, but we didn't clean up anything. Nor did we really intend to

What a bunch of plebs, animal mother was pure kino

Honestly when it got to the whole cultist/tribal bullshit it wasn't a Vietnam movie anymore. Felt like I switched movies halfway through

Like onions

If you can't take getting yelled at, you aren't likely to be able to take getting shot at.

>Antiwar WWII movie
>The Great Dictator

woah it's almost as if the second half was about the realities of war and not the idealized glorious battle propaganda promoted in boot camp to indoctrinate soldiers

Pyle was a massive pussy that got his team smoked every day. They finally got fed up with that fat fuck so they beat him. Pyle finally broke after that.

>its teh commies fault
>while talking about Stanley "Hitler was right about almost everything" Kubrick

Pretty sure you can blame the federal government for Vietnam in full. It’s a war we never should have fought and Minh showed that to the world by being a massive pain in our ass. Corrupt pigs in office are to blame for all the dead men in Nam’.

You utter plebs. The whole movie is centered around finding Kurtz, and trying to figure out what happened.

They finally find him, and Marlon Brando gives his best performance, and one of the best monologues committed to film, breaking down the psychology of the Vietnam war.

They had literal cadavers strewn through the trees, and you call that forgettable?

Without the second half to complete it the first half would have been student film material.

You would only have a point if having a good narrative was all it took to make a good movie. But it isn't, and Kubrick is ill-suited for directing war movies.

>the only one
Pretty much every pleb says that the second half of the movie sucks. The tone is entirely different, but that doesn't distract from its own merits and set pieces.

>saving half of Cambodia from being murdered by their own insane government, was a totally worthy cause.
You mean, doing the thing that Vietnam did, and US condemned it for it?

>But the second half of Full Metal Jacket is intentionally shitty! Don't you see Kubrick's vision?

This, the second half is actually my favorite, plus they got all the semperfinigger culture down perfectly, from the banter to their movement

I’ve seen the same story when I entered the A&M corps and watched a fat fellow freshman get two of our upperclassmen and four of my buddies kicked out for basically the same reasons.
It was basically the same story with every subsequent class every year after that.

it's not trying to be exceptional vietnam footage, have you seen kubrick films before? he's telling a story and w/ FMJ it's basically divided into 3 acts like a traditional play was, with each act being its own story as part of a whole.
it wasn't trying to be platoon or anything

i dont visit Jow Forums movie threads often but everytime i do im reminded that Jow Forums basically has a teenage boy's mindset on movies
taxi driver may be the one exception though i doubt most who say it's a Jow Forums movie have even seen it at this point

Yeah, I don't consider Taxi Driver a Jow Forums movie. It's more of a psychological drama.

The only gunplay is at the very end, and Bickle really isn't all that tactical.

Literally every idiot feels the need to share this. The second half is incredible, fuck off and die.

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Brainlets who can't pass the pleb filter

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>forgetting the part where the gook whore says "me love you long time"
absolutely devoid of taste

the second half is just as good.

Thats bullshit but I believe it

Everyone keeps talkung about the second half after Hartman dies

It was more like 3/4 of the movie I think. Basic is like 30 minutes out of a two hour runtime

yeah bootcamp is the 1st act and you can basically watch it all on youtube.
gl finding the rest on youtube, even in bits.

That’s because the boot camp part of the movie is the only part that anyone remembers or cares about. As other anons have pointed out, there were a lot of Vietnam movies made in the 80s, and as they go, FMJ is in the lower tier. The only part of it that was different from the pack, and was memorable and innovative, was the boot camp part of it.

You forgot about MICKEY MOUSE

>based phoenixposter

yeah fuck your national morale and fuck your cuntry, too

Taxi Driver is a Jow Forums movie if there ever was one

Well yeah, Hartman was just doing his job. And well too. Anyone who thinks he isn't the hero is not a man.

Correct me on my History, but no one had reqlly been drafted since wwii until Vietnam exploded, right?

Hartman'z style probably would work on people who willingly enlisted. You do have to be rough on recruits. On the flip side, if you're dealing with a hapless conscript like Pyle, who has neither the physical nor mental aptitude to be thrown into the bush, shit is gonna go wrong real quick

I think Bickle is more of an Jow Forums kind of guy, but Jow Forums could work just as well.

That’s not true. There was a draft all the way from the early days of WWII until 1973, when Nixon ended it. Famously, Elvis Presley got drafted in 1958 at the height of his career and, though he could have gotten out of regular service if he wanted to, he went in and served a two-year stint driving armored vehicles, mostly stationed in Germany.

For multiple reasons, it probably ended up severely damaging his career.

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Shit, you're right, I forgot all about Elvis.

Not gonna lie, that one hooker in that striped top and white heels caught my interest immediately. Lucky motherfucker, Animal Mother.

WHO'S THE LEADER OF THE CLUB THAT'S MADE FOR YOU AND ME?

M-I-C K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E

Despite the memes, Hartman was a pretty shitty DI. Rather than trying to get Pyle discharged despite his clear mental and physical deficiencies, he kept pushing him. Then, when confronted with an obviously unstable Pyle holding a loaded weapon, he got aggressive with him. If Pyle hadn't gone mental he would have finished boot camp somewhere near the bare minimum needed and would have been dead weight, if not an outright shitbag, on his unit.

>what is "unfit for duty"
Exactly my point. Also, he did choke Pyle.

Fred Reed - a Marine Vietnam veteran turned writer - posted a story a lot like this about somebody he knew when he was going through boot in the same time period that FMJ was set in:
fredoneverything.org/getting-rid-of-mckinley-the-marine-corps-reality-and-south-carolina/

It wasn't Hartman's fault, Pyle is meant to be one of McNamara's Morons
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000
As with all of the Vietnam war, it was the terrible, completely divorved from reality decisions up top that fucked everyone over. Hartman tried to do the best he could with the directive to get every invalid thrown his way in semi-fighting shape.

Fuck off with your "spread democracy" Trotskyist bullshit.
The world needs less, not more, democracy.

>Fighting against communism is, somehow, communism.
Go back to Jow Forums, retard.

>being an idiot

No they need republics not democracies. A democracy is still better than facism, socialism, or communism.

It wasn't supposed to be a 'Vietnam War' movie, it's more akin to something like Homer's Odyssey or Dante's Inferno, a long epic journey where the main character travels through different domains and everything is unknown.

>damaging his career

Considering the height of Elvis' Career was post service, you'd be wrong.

That reminds me of a water tower in Fort Hood. For a long time, one of the water towers off of Hell on Wheels avenue had a giant Elvis mural on it in honor of the unit he served with. I don't have any pictures and my google-fu is weak, but it was very well maintained and about a hundred feet high. A few years ago, they stopped giving a fuck and painted over it. I was a little peeved about that.

Does anyone else remember that? Any pictures?

>be US
>spend 70 years spending money in shitholes making messes because of commies and goat farmers
>somehow this is good

POONTANG

>dealing with a hapless conscript like Pyle, who has neither the physical nor mental aptitude to be thrown into the bush

He fixed pile and perfected him.

But he was murdered by Pyle, who blew his brains out immediately afterward...

Who's side are you on, son?

The world needs America to stay the fuck out of its business.

>All fucking niggers must fucking hang

Checked

>and how the military was drafting people that should have never been drafted

The Marines did not take on draftees until almost a year after the boot camp scenes would have taken place. They were all-volunteer until May 1968. Pyle volunteered.