who won?
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Sino-Vietnamese War
Henry Morales
who won?
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Jaxson Myers
the country that still exists
Benjamin Butler
it depends on how you define "winning".
the us claims they left in a stalemate. the vietnamese claimed they won. the truth is closer to the viets version. the us left and the communists took over all of vietnam. the war was essentially for naught.
today, they are fairly westernized with businesses and money from the us. we might have lost the actual war but the culture war is another issue.
Parker Ward
wrong war
Jackson Sullivan
>the us
SINO-Vietnamese war. Into the corner you go.
Caleb Campbell
China and Vietnam both still exist
Michael Mitchell
tactical staleman, but the Chinese blundered into a strategic victory, ironically by seizing the means of production
Alexander Kelly
The free world.
Brandon Walker
Welp..This is a cool Vietnamese-Chink war movie clip..
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Austin Cruz
> didn't get Vietnam to back off Cambodia
> strategic victory = looting
seems like that covered some of their loses but idk if i would call that a strategic victory
Sebastian Jones
Vietnam. The Chinese failed to accomplish their objectives during the war.
Alexander Jenkins
-The battered Vietnamese gave the Chinese a run for their money.
-China could not get Vietnam to withdraw from fighting the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
>you be the judge
Colton Sanchez
Viets and to those that try to make the case that Chinese won over minor gains the war forced major changes in the PLA. For one they started using the rank system again.
Lincoln Price
that's why I think the strategic Chinese victory was unintentional.
Vietnam couldn't maintain the Cambodian occupation, and Myanmar just fell back into the sino sphere of influence.
where as Vietnam lost its shot of being the powerhouse of SEA.
this is looking back into history, if this was happening as we speak, it would be impossible to call
Jacob Martinez
Vietnam.
>still carried out their occupation of cambodia
>probably consolidated some of the ex-south vietnamese civilians into embracing the then-new unified vietnam regime
>removed khmer rouge, despite the chinks chimping out
>stayed there until the 1990s
>china just attacked and retreated
>had their military doctrines rewritten after fighting the vietnamese
>the lack of ncos and other seniority in PLA ranks fucked over those poor volunteers
Isaac Jenkins
To reiterate from the thread last night, China lost at least 7000 men in 3 weeks before giving up and failed to get Vietnam out of Cambodia. Seems like a defeat.
Bentley Howard
Strategic Chinese victory, Tactical Chinese defeat.
Strategic Vietnamese defeat, Tactical Vietnamese victory.
In the end, Vietnam lost their chance to become the top dog in the region and the relationship with the USSR was ruined forever, while their economy literally crashed.
For China, it was their achievement to eliminate a USSR-supported threat in their south, and gained favor with the Americans (who endorsed the invasion), which helped them to become the economic power they are today.
Also, unintentionally, China's secret alliance with Thailand began due to this war.
Isaac Hernandez
The US since it completely shattered Sino-Soviet relations
Luke Peterson
The Sino-Soviet split has long happened.
In fact, the Sino-Vietnam war was closely coordinated by Deng Xiaoping and Henry Kissinger, since it was in the interest of both to push out Soviet influence in South East Asia.
Benjamin Perry
Yup. Funny how the US and Vietnam are now starting to realign against China.
Henry Ross
Naturally, since the Big Bad of that time, the USSR, is no more.
Jeremiah Jackson
China even got a bunch of pretty hightech (for that time) weapons and gear from the US. Such as these counter-artillery radars that were top of the line.
Parker Wilson
As well as night vision equipment and laser range finders/designators.
These were the first high tech weapons in China's arsenal back then and they used them to kickstart their own R&D from those.
Jackson Adams
>Two sides making dead commies.
The US won.
Chase Barnes
both sides declared victory
Mason Cooper
Of course. I just like the irony. That, and the idea of Vietnamese and Americans working together in the jungle again makes me hard.
Aaron Gomez
Why the fuck would we give that to them? We knew that would just use that equipment to rip of their designs and jump start their own R&D?
Bentley Peterson
probably didnt think they could at the time
Joshua Peterson
The USSR was the greater evil at the time. Planners of the age saw China as a thorn in the Soviet’s side that could be used as leverage against Russian aggression. On top of that, China was beginning to liberalize after Mao’s death, and America thought that continued prosperity and stability would lead to a less authoritarian China.
Jacob Price
Jacob Gomez
Vietnam won the moral victory by stopping a genocide and cucking the Chinese at the same time
Matthew Ramirez
why don't you point at sinostan on the map then you idiot
everyone look at this fool and laugh
Elijah Miller
You’re retarded, learn your history.
Wyatt Johnson
Vietnam
Bentley Phillips
that's why you meet so many vietnamese tourists at every historical site all over europe. i've never seen any chinese tourists or students here, so i guess you're right. vietnamese are everywhere.
Logan Cox
McDonald's of course.
Ian King
By that metric, the US won in Vietnam too, dummy.
Evan Butler
We're talking about Chink-on-Gook action