what is the best smg of ww2 and why is it the PPSH 41
What is the best smg of ww2 and why is it the PPSH 41
Michael Robinson
Ayden Rivera
>what is the best smg of ww2
the PPSH 41
>and why is it the PPSH 41
because it's the best smg of ww2
Austin Fisher
It was probably the best, but the MP40 is certainly iconic and that brings it's own charm.
Likewise for the M1 Thompson, a very iconic gun, and imo, the best looking SMG ever made.
Jaxon Hughes
The ppsh41 heck of a shotgun
Nolan Lee
Ease of manufacturing
Thompsons and MP40s were a lot more involving and costly to make
Luke James
KP-31
Matthew Edwards
Tommy gun, nice
Xavier Morgan
You miss typed PPs-43
Josiah Lee
That italian SMG is way better than crude slavshit bullethose
Tyler Nguyen
>what is the best smg of ww2
PPSH 43 or the Grease gun
Jace Young
>smg
I think you mean shotgun
Michael Johnson
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Charles Reyes
>what is the best smg of ww2 and why is it the PPSH 41
Cuz twice the ammo before reloading
Jason Bailey
liked
Daniel Cruz
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Joshua Bennett
Based and Suomipilled.
Gavin Hall
M3 Grease Gun.
Simple, reliable, cheap, relatively light and easy to mass produce, .45 in an era where smaller pistol calibers were under powered, relatively slow rate of fire made it easier to control and made the magazine last longer.
Juan Sanders
Its literally a shitty copy of a far superior smg.
Logan Diaz
This
Andrew Russell
Considering shooting and producing it was probably the grease gun or the PPS-43
Connor Rogers
>what is the best
Thanks for laying out some decent criteria you stupid faggot. This thread will definitely not devolve into shit flinging and semantics arguments we’ve all seen before
Noah Nelson
Beretta M38 is correct for both overall and early/pre war
M3 Grease Gun late war
PPS43 mid war (ppsh41 was literally great because the ppd40 was terrible until nearly 1939 in small numbers and Lend Lease Thompsons were in short supply. ppsh41 was improved ppd40 and PPS43 was improved ppsh41.
Cameron Johnson
For the individual rifleman or for the military-industrial complex? Because those are two completely different things.
PPS-43 was the best for the military because it was the cheapest, the easiest and quickest to produce. But Kp-31 or MP-40 was what you wanted to have on the battlefield. Kp-31 is laser-beam accurate in full-auto at 100 meters and didn't have horrible production problems and flaws PPSH-41 had (no parts interchangeability, each drum magazine must be hand-fitted to each gun, etc). MP-40 is also very accurate and doesn't have any felt recoil thanks to the telescoping bolt, but its magazine wasn't that great. PPS-43 is inherently inaccurate and jumps all over the place when firing, with a very unpleasant and inconsistent felt recoil. Soviet ammo doesn't help. Thompson is probably the worst non-meme SMG of the war, between costing more than a car and having the weight and bulk of one while being a worse gun that M3 Grease gun.
Austin Murphy
>Likewise for the M1 Thompson, a very iconic gun, and imo, the best looking SMG ever made.
the tommy gun doesn't remind most people of ww2 when they see it though
they think of gangsters in chicago
especially if it has a drum mag and a pistol foregrip
Aaron Ross
Suomi for individual effectiveness & awesomeness.
Grease gun for effectiveness in relation to the war & its low cost.
>MP-40 is also very accurate and doesn't have any felt recoil thanks to the telescoping bolt, but its magazine wasn't that great.
>doesn't have any felt recoil thanks to the telescoping bolt
You have no clue what a telescoping bolt is.
Brandon Morgan
Best SMG of ww2 is the French famas how ever it was extremely uncommon on the battlefield for obvious reasons.
Luis White
This gun
Ayden Miller
anyone got pics of silenced ww2 SMGs? so far all i can find are stens, grease guns and PPD/PPSH, no Mp40 pics
Austin Foster
MAB 38, in its first variants, was a fine weapon by any standard, crafted with high quality materials, flawlessly finished and with carefully machined parts. Models 38/42 and 38/44 were easier and faster to build, the finish was sacrificed for speed of production but the quality remained high. The mechanism was a traditional simpleblowbackrecoil but with a novel floating firing pin, an automatic safety on open bolt (both later removed to save production costs), a recoil compensator on the muzzle, a bolt cocking handle with sliding dust cover and a striking trigger gear with no fire selector but with two triggers instead; the fore trigger was for semi-automatic fire and rear trigger for full-auto. The user could shift quickly between methods without switching levers or safety catches, which proved useful in combat. The full-auto trigger a safety catch on left side, which was eliminated from 1942 and the rear sight was adjustable up to 500m (550yd) in the MAB 38 and 38A, the 38/42 and 38/44 variants had fixed rear sights. The MAB 38 had a wooden stock, was about 800mm (31in) long and weighed about 5kg (11lb) when loaded, with an effective range of about 200m (220yd).
Carson Flores
STEN
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Cheapest
Most reliable
Best ergonomics
Jaxon Myers
>sten
>reliable
>ergonomics
It suckd ass jamomatic that everyone held by the mag causing even more jam
Charles Reyes
>Here you go
They were for elite commando units. Also had silenced Lugers and 98ks
Aiden Martinez
thanks, i can barely find anything on silencers in WW2, theres mostly text but rarely any pictures
Cameron Butler
hands down Sudayev's 43. elegant to the point of being obscene.
Austin Campbell
the sten is what I envision one would come up with if one were to try to design the WORST SMG possible.
Nolan Morales
Suomi KP/-31
>considered most accurate smg of ww2
>sustainable rate of fire
>heavy as shit but not to much recoil
>was used by big dick daddy simo häyhä
Jeremiah Nelson
PPS 43 is superior.
Sebastian Martin
PPS43 is hands down the best subgun of WW2
>excellent caliber
>compact
>lightweight
>easy to manufacture
>easy to clean
>reliable mags
>easy to load mags
>doesn't burn through your limited ammo resserves in 45 seconds
Suomi fags need to die. loading suomi drums is a pain in the ass because rounds fall over as you're loading it without spring pressure, it's chambered in an inferior caliber, and the ROF just burns all of your ammo away. And don't forget it's like a 10lb smg with a fixed stock, useless for tankers.
I do feel like the Suomi proved the effectiveness of squad automatics though. Russian adoption of SMGs and sequential adoption of RPD, AK, and RPK would have never happened if the awkward little SMG had never proved how effective coordinated automatic fire is.
Andrew Baker
>not picking up a dirt cheap Polish PPS 43 kit for less than $100
Cooper Scott
Or you could make this instead? ;)
Anthony Adams
Where would you buy a receiver for that?
Charles Jenkins
Asher Russell
Yes, but the civilian tommy with a vertical foregrip and drum is the best smg in history
Gabriel Thomas
Anyone who thinks the sten is crap is a raging autist. It was perfect for its intended role, being cheap.
Eli Powell
this.
Ian Scott
That looks long as fuck
Daniel Gomez
Came here to post this
Brandon Reed
Because you play CODWW2 for a living
Carter Turner
>MP40
>High manufacturing cost
What
Zachary Peterson
>mp40 high manufacturing cost
I think you're thinking of the mp38 there m8
Joshua Hernandez
You mean Kp-31, a gun with actual parts/magazines interchangeability, superior accuracy and better round?
Also, everyone advocating Sten/Grease gun as an all-around good gun is a drooling retard. The only thing they're superior at is being cheap. A general's dream, a soldier's nightmare. PPS-43 is marginally good because of its light weight and possibly the best SMG magazine in the war, but it's innacurate as fuck even at 50 meters and has barely manageable recoil. It's bad compared to Kp-31, Mp-40, PPD-40, PPSh-41 and even the Thompson, except for the price and ease of production. Wanna be the soldier that died because of it, so that the military industry gets to save some money?
Austin Morales
I'd say that's more to do with it having two different profiles. Give it a wooden foregrip and a drum or 20 round magazine, people will think of gangsters. If you give it a 30 round mag, no foregrip, and change the iron sights, people think of WW2.
Not sure if it's just me, but I think of two different versions of the gun when I hear it called Tommy Gun and Thompson. There's a duality to it that other guns don't have.
Eli Smith
I hate this gun with a passion. It's like they looked at a gun and took away everything that you could without making it not a gun. I feel like of it was possible they would have eliminated the bolt from the design
Jaxson Edwards
The Sten wasn't reliable because most people held it by the magazine, causing feeding issues and jams.
Luis Hill
Who the fuck cares about how hard loading a magazine is? Its not like youre going to be doing it under fire. All of your ammo is going to be in mags anyway.
The 10 pounds is an advantage since the gun was so accurate and rapid. Makes the recoil lower and gives it a good feel for long range shots.
There were versions meant for bunker and tanks with shortened stocks, also thats not what the gun is meant for, Finland didnt have tanks (or bunkers really).
The gun was meant for a very specific purpose and it filled that purpose extremely well. Saying that the suomi was bad because tankers couldnt use it is like saying that toothbrushes are bad because you cant use them to butter your toast.
Gavin Fisher
With the milsurp dried up I was eying a Suomi build. Then I found out you can cut down 5.56 brass to load 7.62 tok. Which swings me back towards the PPSH. Dammit if the asthetic is not pleasing.
Ethan Gutierrez
Same thing.
Elijah Smith
>PPSH 41
It's not.
Heavy, crazy ROF, drum mag has lots of disadvantages.
PPS-43 is better.
Oh, my brown fever.
Colton Morales
This user is correct, the mp40 had to low of a rof and the grease gun was just wonderously easy and cheap
Josiah Bell
This.
They literally used bed springs from discarded mattresses as return springs.
Henry Myers
(you)
Luis Cook
No its the 42 goof
Oliver Parker
>magwell grip
>foregrip
>jee bill 2 wieners?
Levi Cruz
Thompson because it's the only that gunned down other mafia members
Owen Taylor
Suomi KP-31
Isaiah Cox
Thompson and dual 45s, both 45 so only carry one ammo!
Nolan Moore
Nyet, it's pic related
didn't take wood, easier to manufacturer, and more lightweight, and was influential to the M3 Grease gun and other modernizations of smgs for the allies and axis
James Jones
This brings up a question I’ve always had. Why were subgun designers so resistant to putting a foregrip ahead of the mag? You always hear issues related to shooters grabbing the magazine because of this. Why not just add a damn foregrip?
My vote goes to the Owen, exceptionally reliable, cheap, accurate, and functional albeit unconventional ergonomics. Also sweet proto-Rhodesian factory finish.
Nathaniel Harris
Andrew Thompson
>New Zealanders fighting in the Guadacanal and Solomon Islands campaigns swapped their Thompson submachine guns for Owens, as they found the Australian weapons to be more reliable
Asher Myers
>t. butthurt commie
Asher White
Yeah cunt!
Easton Lopez
The only references to suppressed MP40s are to two prototypes found by Soviets. Dubious and bold claim, user.
Jace Thomas
You fucking degenerate shitlord