How do you obtain one? Do samples even exist in the US? Are there any builders who could build one? How much would it cost?
AS Val
Tyler Gray
Bentley Ortiz
>how do you obtain one?
Be part of the Russian armed forces, or one of their very close allies' armed forces
>do samples even exist in the US?
No/not outside of the government
>are there any builders who could build one?
Literally thousands of them, yes
>how much would it cost?
Enough that nobody's gonna fucking bother building them since they'd have to fab 95% of the parts from scratch.
Jose Hall
>fab
Gonna ignore that shortening of fabricate.
To put it simply it looks like an sks upper with an ak lower, in which case, the hard part is the finding a way to make the barrel the silincer, the handguard can be put together from a pistol, and everything else is what you want to put on it, given the money.
Jaxon Bailey
>sks upper with an ak lower
'no' in every meaning of the word
quite literally the only interchangeable parts of the AS VAL platform between AKs or SKSs are the likely the irons, and the fucking sling swivel.
To describe the operational parts, think SVD but made to look like something not like a SVD.
I guess you could ""politely"" ask for blueprints as Tula has given the blueprints for everything but the suppressor to Molot from what I can tell.
Isaiah Gonzalez
>blueprints
*technical data package
Nicholas Sullivan
It's the basic standard AK action with a very robust, milled instead of stamped, dust cover. Which is a net boon for small production since it reduces the number of bending jigs you need.
Owen Robinson
do plans even exist?
would $15k be enough to build one?
Jose Gonzalez
>the hard part is the finding a way to make the barrel the silincer
No that is almost the easiest part. It just has a tiny ported barrel with baffles screwed on to the end and a body that fits over the entire structure. You could honestly make one quieter than the Russian ones because their baffles are shit compared to newer Western ones.
Nathan Davis
russians know how to make good silencers. issue is weight and diminishing returns. if you could make Val 10% quieter but with 10% increase in weight, that would be a shit compromise.
Ayden Morales
> the hard part is the finding a way to make the barrel the silincer
Okay so you clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about, so maybe try not pretending you do.
Carter Russell
Not in the US as far as I'm aware, meaning $15k would get you a very nice pseudo-clone but not an exact duplicate. None of the parts or systems are complicated, but unless Russia manages to cough up the prints anybody making one would be doing it through fitment trial and error.
Sebastian Smith
fuck you op just give me an ar in 9x39
Joseph Adams
give me a plan on how one would build an exact copy.
Gavin Jenkins
1. make plan
2. execute plan
3. enjoy as val
now delete your thread, this is retarded.
Robert Russell
>suck Tula's dick for the plans
>hand plans to a competent machinist with an 07 FFL and SOT
>wait however long
>pay them loadsa moneys
>file 2x Form 4's (suppressor, SBR)
>receive semi-only, 2-stamp gun
>realize it's mediocre
Samuel Jenkins
About 9 years ago there was a few guys here on Jow Forums that were going to build and sell them in the US. If I recall they had a rough idea on most of the parts and even got some data on the internals of the gun from a guy in Russia, but I haven't heard of that project in awhile, can't imagine they got to a prototype.
If they're still around I'm sure they're share/sell the specs if they don't intend on continuing the project.
Jacob Mitchell
That was a very complicated trolling, basically all they had to show for it were some napkin drawings and a badly blurred pic of an illegally SBR'd AK105 after several months.
Jackson Garcia
>fab
fag*
as in (you)
Connor Johnson
that's actually a workable idea.
1) find a guy in russia that has one
2) pay him to take high-rez pics
3) get him a high-quality micrometer so he can take quality measurements
4) contact him whenever you need more measurements info
Nathaniel Cook
>pay him to take high-rez pics
>spend $100+ on a micrometer for him
>he fucks off with your expensive-ass micrometer and whatever initial payment you gave him and you never hear from him again
BRILLIANT
Matthew Jenkins
not everyone is a fucking scumbag you moron. plus $100 for a micrometer is nothing if you promise to pay him few K at the end.
Adrian Barnes
There's the guys at slagga but I think they're never gonna actually launch. It's been too long and they still haven't released anything meaningful or significant. Dead project
slaggamfg.com
Brandon Walker
No, but all Russians are scumbags.
Sebastian Wright
Gonna have to second
here, they're just barely one step above the chinks in the "fucking off with assets and defrauding business deals" aspects. They're also short sighted, low-IQ addicts and the prospect of 2 days' worth of weed, a pint of cheap vodka, and maybe half a high's worth of krokodil from pawning that micrometer will win out over holding out for $3k USD for a couple months every single damn time.
There's a reason the only rich people in Russia are either crooked government officials or non-Russians.
Benjamin Hall
found the buttmad kike
Aaron Rivera
Lol really? Shows how out of the loop I've been.
Benjamin Parker
I mean why not just build one? Get a barrel for it and form 1 a suppressor.
Jeremiah Perez
>6-lug bolt
>plunger ejector
>striker-fired
>APE cams on barrel
>cam lug on bolt body, not bolt lugs
Sure, just an AK action.
Evan Evans
SR-3MP... thoughts?
Isaac Wood
WTF is wrong with the buttstock? Who the hell came up with that?
I heard that SR-3 (suppressor attached) is heavier than AS and not so great to use.
Logan Roberts
It's to use with those bulletproof visors, reddit
Lucas Morales
Oh really? Machine one together and see it blow up on you on your first shot then.
Jack Reed
All the parts of ak, sks, svd, as val operate in a the same manner as per why the R&D did close to nothing to the exterior, as well as interior. More than anything they adjusted for the gas pressures of the calibers.
Luke Peterson
Been waiting for a thread like this.
What y'all think of taking a vz56 and cutting the receiver and associated parts down to the same receiver length as the vikhr and then having a .300 BO turned for it?
I feel like with some effort and welding you could get something that at least vaguely resembles the ASVAL/Vikhr. The real challenge would be getting ribbed .300 BO mags.
Colton Hill
>muh vintorez
Paint the ceiling with your brains you absolute faggot.
Jace Flores
They kinda sorta do but then their suppressorts are quite heavy hunks of steel which kills your point.
David Powell
TsniiTochMash has such a cute logo.
Dominic Sullivan
this
Isaiah Thomas
I was you once, OP. Just buy an AR in .458 so I’m and suppress it. It’s better in every way.
Connor Ortiz
* .458 socom
Brandon Perez
>AS Val
Evan Hill
.300 blk ar pistol is as close as you can get for the time being. Until tula actually sells the 9x39 they've been promising for less than a dollar per round
Nicholas Richardson
Anybody who actually makes things has no problem shortening fabrication to fab. Everyone in this thread is a big faggot fairy boy.
Samuel Peterson
The closest you could reasonably get without access to technical schematics would be adapting the SVD operating mechanism to a shorter receiver.
Gabriel Lewis
A real one? Not a chance in your life
A clone that takes val mags? doable
Colton Gomez
piedmontcartridge.com
>9x39mm integrally supressed AR-15
Just load your own. It's necked up 7.62x39 brass with a .357 bullet.
Nolan Peterson
This. 600gr subs are pretty cool in semi auto
Matthew Lewis
Are you fucking stupid?
Luke Perez
yeah, but you still have a shitty AR action in the end.
Dominic Perez
>i have no idea what i'm talking about: the post
Tyler Cooper
It’s absolutely fucking not.
Charles Sanders
very interesting round
Asher Fisher
>All the parts of ak, sks, svd, as val operate in a the same manner
How can you be this wrong?
Cameron Flores
you're a tard. post less or just fuck off back to where you came from.
Landon Ortiz
Better than no gun at all, no?
the bullet diameter is .357 though, and the parent case is 7.62x39
Elijah Ward
>fab
Youre clearly not in the manufacturing industry if you dont use that term all the time
Hudson Young
>Molot from what I can tell
Didn't they say they were going to make civilian VSS rifles?
Carson Carter
Oliver Hughes
You will never own this Amerifat
Aiden Price
>when you don’t know guns but you try to post to seem like you’re not nu-Jow Forums.
Ya buddy, we’re gonna have to go ahead and ask you to lurk moar.
Austin Ortiz
The fuck kind of crack are you smoking?
Holy fuck the general fucking ignorance of you idiots
You got everything from retards that think FNH has been consistently changing the formula for the secret sauce for the SCAR with changes made every month since it's fucking inception
To idiots like you bitching about shortening fabricate
Literally everybody uses Fab in industry. It's even a legally recognized shortening, same as THU being a shortening of "Through", and the dozens of other words that are industry standard and have been for the past fucking century you mong
Oh, wait, sorry, that's short for "Mongoloid", didn't want you to think too hard on that
Second, no, the SKS, AK, SVD, and just because I'm sure you'd mention it, the SVT have absolutely nothing in common with the VSS and the VAL series of rifles engineering wise. None. Nil. Zip. Ziltch. Zero.
You literally know so fucking little about engineering and design it's actually appalling that you flagrantly pretend you do
From an actual Mechanical Engineer, unironically kill yourself
Jordan Reed
do you have the CAD model of it?
Mason Gomez
Jonathan Reed
Camden Green
>if you have to ask you definitely can't afford it, faggot
Sebastian Perry
At $15k you could probably develop your own integrally silenced fun. Keep in mind that even the ammo for the VAL is unobtainium in US, so you might as well modify something that's available.
Elijah Davis
In related news Wolf is importing 9x39mm ammo and is about to import a 9x39mm AR15 upper.
Krebs and a bunch of other boutique AK makers have made 9x39 custom guns in the past, so we'll see
Hunter Torres
Russia is bad/mediocre compared to the west but it isn't even fucking close to China and the 3rd world when it comes to business practices
Adrian Adams
It can either be mounted on the bottom of the pistol grip as pictured, for use with body armor and helmets with visors, or it can be quickly taken off and remounted on the reciever conventionally
Oliver Bennett
It's far more similar to an SVD action than an AK action.
Asher Hill
Begone Satan!
Ethan Thomas
You think suppressors are hard to make? You can make them out of an oil filter, the rest of world has disposable ones made out of plastic. It's just the US's fucked up laws that make them expensive here. You have to spend $200 either way, so might as well machine something that will last forever.
Aaron Scott
They were for the Russian market only, and they would only sell to actual license holders for rifled firearms directly, not to dealers.
Alexander Morgan
Okay I kekd
Zachary Hall
>plastic cans
What.
Dominic Garcia
hmm... so it's possible to find one and a person who would be willing to chop it up?
Dylan Wright
Probably, but you'd have to spend some serious time getting dimensions, tempering and friction coefficients for important surfaces from the cut-up receiver.
The VSS/AS VAL platform (i know the VAL technically has different receiver), are not rifles that can be manufactured like AKs.
AK rifles are overgassed, hence their receivers don't need to have some space-magic-tier machining done on them for them to work. From what I can tell the VSS/VAL have a really low bolt velocity as a side effect of the bolt carrier only unlocking after most of the pressure is released (BCG cam only allows the bolt to rotate open after about 15mm). Any unaccounted friction between the BCG and guides which are in the receiver will lead to an unreliable rebuild.
After this 922R also comes into play....
Ian Adams
Colonel Skull has one.
Traders occasionally have them in stock.
Expert level Duty and Monolith guys may be wielding them.
>git gud
Hunter Hill
File a form to import one with the Atf
Be the first civvie with one
Isaac Ortiz
They're called unobtainium for a reason.
Nathaniel Adams
nigger pls. russia's one of the biggest exporters of titanium in the world. and silencers are so simple it's dumb. which proves the point that you're a shithead.
Henry Thomas
What's wrong with liking niche guns faggot. Not everyone likes the common and boring as fuck ar platform