How is it that the "greatest nation" in the world lost to such a small country?
What went wrong in Vietnam exactly that forced them to turn tail and run?
Was the US military just not trained well enough to beat a bunch of rice farmers?
Vietnam war
Ethan Evans
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Ryan Gomez
It was the war back home that did us in.
If we had been given free reign to do as we needed, than we would have taken Vietnam in less than a year.
Easton Wright
So essentially it was all the draft dodgers, old fucks and women back home that cost the US the war?
Ayden Long
Did you know Vietnam has 94 million people?
Austin Harris
oh boy this thread again
Jace King
>If we had been given free reign to do as we needed, than we would have taken Vietnam in less than a year.
Imagine being this delusional...
Cameron Morgan
it's the draft dodgers, old fucks and women that cost us every war, son
Jordan Foster
Lack of public support and approval.
For once, Columbia's people hated the idea and frequently protested the war effort.
This was crippling to morale, made the US government look bad, and created a rift between the military and civilians.
It also doesn't help that wartime journalists and photographers were becoming more and more abundant, sending the media all the ammo they'd ever need.
A lot of war is "fought" on the home front in the sense that you need to carefully keep the people and politicians on your side.
Kayden Brooks
To make a very long story short, and to oversimplify things a little bit, North Vietnam, which we couldn't invade because that would mean starting a nuclear war with China, kept sending soldiers to attack the South.
In order for us to be able to withdraw from the war without South Vietnam collapsing, one of two things had to happen
North Vietnam had to give up on the war, which was never going to happen because they'd been fighting against foreign occupiers since the beginning of time and they were completely fanatical about it.
or South Vietnam had to become stronger than North Vietnam, which was unlikely to happen because South Vietnam had a less effective administration (the reasons behind this are complicated, but they mostly chalk up to French being incompetent assholes, plus South Vietnam being a completely artificial meme state), and because the North was crippling their economy by fighting a guerrilla war within their borders.
After eight long years of trying to get the North to give up, and the South to improve, the US was forced to conclude that there was little to no chance of either one of these things happening, and withdrew.
This is the brainlet meme answer that Nixon pushed on the media because it meant that Congressional Democrats got blamed for losing the war instead of him.
Jonathan Green
Benjamin Stewart
Gay animay loving faggot
Heres how it happened
>mistake #1
Once the USA took strategic points, they would instantly abandon them and move onward, pushing farther into the jungle. These locations just got handed back to charlie like nothing happened.
>mistake 2
We werent supposed to go into laos or cambodia. If we could have, the outcome may have been different.
>mistake 3
All the draft dodgers and hippies hated the war. Alot of people did.
And finally
>mistake 5
Waging a war of money against a people who dont have money is a weird thing. The vietnamese are no stranger to total suffering and sadness. They said that once we bombed their roads and villages, they would have them rebuilt literally in one day.
Before the US invaded vietnam, the french got their ass kicked in vietnam. Then USA invaded. USA killed a fucking shitload of vietnamese, but decided to pull out because communism was obviously imminent after their dumb decision making. THEN communism took over, vietnam had their "vietnam" in a war with china, and 2+ million people starved cuz you know, communism.
Vietnams a shithole for sure.
Dominic Flores
>How is it that the "greatest nation" in the world lost to such a small country?
Democrats refused to honor the agreement to supply arms after the Pairs Peace talks that had the US withdraw forces.
>What went wrong in Vietnam exactly that forced them to turn tail and run?
Democrats wanted money for gibs and thought that the South would be fine without weapons and equipment.
>Was the US military just not trained well enough to beat a bunch of rice farmers?
No, the US won the war after they stopped caring if the Chinese would get into the fight. Once the US started attacking the enemy it was peace talks in months.
Hint when fighting an enemy make sure you actually attack them.
Henry Perry
How delusional can one man be?
Jaxson White
Read a book nigger. It was all politics.
William Gray
How long between the start of direct attacks on the north and the Paris Peace talks?
Angel Diaz
>How is it that the "greatest nation" in the world lost to such a small country?
>First off, the US didn't lose. Secondly, it was a proxy superpower war.
What went wrong in Vietnam exactly that forced them to turn tail and run?
>The US didn't run at any point.
Was the US military just not trained well enough to beat a bunch of rice farmers?
>Training actually was a legit issue. Combat arms and counterinsurgency were not the US emphasis when they should have been. But when SV fell it was when NVA regulars violated negotiated peace terms well after the US military withdrew.
Noah Morris
>How is it that the "greatest nation" in the world lost to such a small country?
Well the "greatest nations" dont loose wars. Once one war is lost, it is not "greatest" anymore.
>What went wrong in Vietnam exactly that forced them to turn tail and run?
Empire losta colonial war. Happened many times ro other empires when they enter decline.
>Was the US military just not trained well enough to beat a bunch of rice farmers?
Recruits make bad soldiers. Plus that PoS named M16.
Elijah Butler
I hate when people use the term "war" for Vietnam, like if we were really at "war" with them it would be America v2 Electric Boogaloo. Can you fucking imagine if the boot was taken off the necks of our bois and we just fucking laid WASTE to that country ? Sweep in after the fact and start setting up some McD's and Walmarts. Boom, easy. Hell we've seen what we had to do when we we're going for the 'hearts and minds' shit right ?
Bentley Lee
There was no fucking plan to win to begin with.
It was literally just keep killing Viet Cong and hope they stop trying to overthrow the South Vietnamese government, which was corrupt as shit and couldn't defend itself from an army of fluffy teddy bears.
It was always doomed to fail.
Adrian Hernandez
>Was not allowed to destroy the actual nation we were fighting against (North Vietnam) due to geopolitical problems
>Would only "Clear" out areas but never "Hold" them, general lack of emphasis on the control of the CivPop
>Made South Vietnam too strong in the wrong areas and too weak in others
>gave them too much autonomy when the government should've been under military governance due to corruption and ineffectiveness and conflicting ideas
>South Vietnamese military was laughably unskilled, corrupt, underutilized when it came to simply filling the ranks in areas, way too much power in executive decision making when it should've been under direct control of US forces
>Once Westmorland fucked off, Hearts and Minds and general COIN strategy became too pacifist, COIN is simple 1) Destroy all opposition, 2) Occupy CivPop, 3) Annihilate those who rebel and oppose to enforce loyalty in the other villages. "If you are not with me, then you are the enemy."
>Same reason's why Iraq and Afghanistan are shitshows today, murder and scorched earth are just a means to an end, nothing less and nothing more
>Also Jane fucking Fonda
Carter King
Why do we have this thread every day?
Robert Thomas
Well we propped up a corrupt government and alienated ourselves from the people of Vietnam. We killes a lot of civilians as well. The war also wasnt very pretty on tv. Theres a lot of things to it. It could have been won if our leadership wasnt so ignorant of what was happening on the ground
Caleb Sanchez
Isaiah Adams
Yeah, because the AR and AK generals are such a fucking delight.
Jeremiah Rodriguez
Crawl back into your hole Phuc
Logan King
The US never developed a coherent strategy to make North Vietnam give up the fight; invading the North wasn't an option, and an unrestricted bombing/naval mining campaign that might've been militarily effective would've been a political disaster and seriously strained relations with our allies, and made the Soviets and Chinese double down on their support to the North. So the US just took piecemeal actions that didn't support any larger objective, liking bombing the North for three years, then stopping for four, or invading Cambodia, capturing a lot of equipment and disrupting the Ho Chi Minh Trail to some extent, then withdrawing and allowing them to rebuild. Like a blind man trying to grope their way through a maze.
Gavin Ortiz
Nine years.
The first US bombing attacks in North Vietnam were in 1964, the accords were concluded in 1973.
Elijah Ortiz
>which we couldn't invade because that would mean starting a nuclear war with China
Delusional bullshit. Vietnam is not Korea you ignorant boomer fuck.
Jeremiah Cooper
we didn't have public support and we had no idea who to shoot at because of muh cong