Enlisting with a Bachelors degree

Thanks for the advice. I know every branch is different to commission.

Marines: NROTC, Naval Academy, or OCS. For civilians, if you are accepted you go straight to OCS

Army: West Point, ROTC, or OCS. However with the Army, that do not have OSO (Officer Selection Officers) they have regular recruiters. It Nisan application process, need letters of rec and meet wit ha board. But, you enlist with a 09S contract. The 09S contract is your ticket to OCS AFTER Basic. Apparently those who go to OCS in the Army, go through Basic first with Regular solider and then OCS right after. It is like 22 week long training process. Which honestly, is pretty respectable. They make officer candidates go through Basic with enlisted guys before going to OCS after graduating Basic.
Hmmm, you are right.
Im pretty fit desu. Well see what the future has in store for me.

*Its the same application process*

Yeah, we had to go to an OSO as well. It's basically akin to a job interview. USMC OCS was described as boot but on steroids. We had several enlisted(bulldogs) guys drop out or get boarded from the program.

Quite a few. Maybe that's just confirmation bias on my part but whenever I'd get to know people I worked with in the army typically they already had finished college. I've met lots that were going at the same time. I think it's a bit of a disadvantage honestly to go in other than as a fuzzy. Being a private gives you a lot more leeway to screw up and lack responsibility. Sometimes riding the slack is a little, or squeezing the slack for all you can get is kind of the clever move to make.

Since you army. Am I right for the OCS process for the Army? If you are a civilian and you go into OCS in the Army, you enlist with a 09S contract? They make all officer candidates go to Basic first and then after graduating Basic, they go to OCS.

Your* Fuck I'm being stupid with my typing.

I would never recommend to anyone going O. It is just administrative stupidity and following the personal politics of your varying commanders.

We had a great Platoon Leader, but everyone else up the chain of command were legitimately retarded. Our PL did his best to protect us from all the flak from higher, but sometimes he was forced to follow the idiots above him.

I will forever respect my NCOs, because they were not intimidated the same as our Officers. If something was stupid, and worse off needlessly dangerous, they'd say so. Mostly in private, but sometimes right in front of the rest of us joes.

My PL got out after his contract was up, and I don't blame him at all.

Our Platoon Sergeant had his Masters, and he was one of the smartest and wisest men I have ever known.

I'd rather be enlisted because that way you only have to follow retards rather than being forced to order others guys to do something stupid that very well could have gotten us all killed. Our BCO was worse than useless, his leadership was literally dangerous to all those under him. Of course he got promoted after our tour.

Good luck OP, but I personally would recommend Enlisted.

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For a board that always complains about officers who aren't at least O-4s being total incompetents and blowhards, this thread sure is holding a torch for them. Not that I disagree with this sentiment, mind you. The many people on Jow Forums who unironically seem to believe that the military should be run by E-5s are total morons.

Yes, unless you're trying to be a dentist or something.

>I would never recommend to anyone going O. It is just administrative stupidity and following the personal politics of your varying commanders.
This, you can't spell "officer" without "office". 90% of the cool jobs are enlisted. Officers deal with way more office politics and your job basically amounts to corporate supervisor.
The only way I'd recommend officer is if someone wanted to do that sort of shit, or if they were joining for monetary reasons

>monetary
What about an Army Ranger Officer?

>It is just administrative stupidity and following the personal politics of your varying commanders.
aka having responsibility

>We had a great Platoon Leader, but everyone else up the chain of command were legitimately retarded.
You don't find it a little suspicious that the line between Retards and Not Retards was drawn right where you stopped seeing what was going on personally?

>I will forever respect my NCOs, because they were not intimidated the same as our Officers. If something was stupid, and worse off needlessly dangerous, they'd say so. Mostly in private, but sometimes right in front of the rest of us joes.
If your company commander ever called a field grade out for being stupid, would you have known about it? Should you know about it?

>My PL got out after his contract was up, and I don't blame him at all.
No surprise considering he was apparently the only competent officer in the battalion but no one else would recognize his uniqueness.

>Our Platoon Sergeant had his Masters, and he was one of the smartest and wisest men I have ever known.
Would he have been a better battalion commander than the one you actually had?

>I'd rather be enlisted because that way you only have to follow retards rather than being forced to order others guys to do something stupid that very well could have gotten us all killed.
Clearly if avoiding responsibility for others is critical to your mental well-being, you shouldn't be a leader. Not everyone is like you, however.

>Our BCO was worse than useless, his leadership was literally dangerous to all those under him. Of course he got promoted after our tour.
I too am shocked that a battalion commander was promoted for making people do dangerous things.

This is about 50% trolling -- I know there are bad units and bad officers out there, and it's certainly possible that accurately describes your experience. It's also possible that you don't know what you're talking about.

>t. POG officer
Shut the fuck up, you butterboot.

I know two. Both were promoted to Specialist / E-4 at their first unit. One turned out alright. The other was not ready for the responsibilities of a team leader, or staying in shape on his own. He was sent to the board and promoted because his MOS needed SGTs. He was a terrible NCO because his development was rushed and pushed through. I think he could have done better if he had more time. The degree didn't hurt him, a lack of discipline and time in service did.

imo everyone should have the opportunity to be a Private.

Our BCO had three NDs, and lost his weapon weapon four times (including his god-damn M9). Our CO was great getting us trained stateside, but he became a lap-dog once we went overseas.

>I too am shocked that a battalion commander was promoted for making people do dangerous things.

You got it all wrong. He was a danger because he refused to let us do our jobs, where they were needed most. Words that will forever stick with me is "That's the enemy's fighting-ground, we don't go there" Meanwhile hajj had a secure base of operations to make attacks all across the city. throughout our entire deployment. Worse it was surrounding our MSR, other units got punished because we weren't allowed to do our jobs. The city was secure when we were handed it off by the previous battalion, and it all went to shit when our command took over.

We had two major clearing operations, but not where they were needed most. We actually had to file false TIC reports because if our BCO found out we were actually going where hajj was, he'd throw a fit.

>If your company commander ever called a field grade out for being stupid, would you have known about it? Should you know about it?

Had a couple buddies that were on our BCO's PSD, and they told us every single case of him being a retard. Our BCO got informally sidelined by our Brigade Commander. A guy who had cancer, and called our BCO the cancer of the brigade.

We were suppose to take part in an offensive in Baqubah, we packed up all of our shit to move down there, only to hear that our BCO refused to let us take part unless he was in direct command.

After I was wounded, he came and saw us in the CSH.

>Hey user, how you doing? how are your kids?
>I don't have kids sir.
>Yes you do
>No sir, I don't
>Sure you do user

I have heard more stories about shitty and stupid officers than I have about.

It isn't trolling, it was my objective experience. Moreso, shared experience by guys from units outside of my CoC.

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That sucks man. I've been lucky -- I've always been in good units with sensible leadership. The worst I've ever had it was a BCO who was subpar in some important ways but wasn't a complete fuckup.

>A guy who had cancer, and called our BCO the cancer of the brigade.
fucking lol

Jobs like pilot, TACP officer, infantry officer, etc. are generally the exception to this, although even pilots have a shitload of paperwork they have to do

Damn. How do I join the navy?

RASP 1 and RASP 2 are two different things. Generally youre not going to get a shot as RASP 2 unless youve done a lot of time in the army already and smooched a lot of cheeks to get their. Though RASP 2 is shorter. Youre looking at a minimum of 8 years if you want to commission as an officer in the rangers, where as an enlisted you can get an option 40 and go right into it

The days of being a combat leader as a LT are mostly over, or at least on hold for the foreseeable future. We're in "peace time" or about as close as we'll get to it right now. The only ones who are seeing any action as special operations and maybe some intel units (depends on your definition of action though). As an Officer, youre standing of living and pay will be MUCH better. Theyre not shame in jumping on the butter bar cart just for that, and maybe you can even be a good officer and make your men's lives not suck so much, but most of your time will be spent running your platoon, which involves a lot of office politics and bureaucracy. If thats what you want then its a comfy life and you can make a nice career out of it, or transition into the civilian word easier.
Going in as an enlisted your life will generally suck more, you'll be lower on the totem pole and have shit roll down hill on your head constantly, but you wont be an office jockey and your MOS is guaranteed so you at least have some control over your life.
Pick your poison

Because officers cant pick their MOS like enlisted and some MOS's dont accept Officers right out of the gate. I want to be an officer, but I dont want to be driving trucks for my career just to wear the stripes

Even the cool jobs involved the office. Piloting is one of the only reasons to go officer if you want to do cool shit, and you end up basically going back to college for 2 years before doing 8 FUCKING YEARS where you will maybe get a couple hundred flight hours a year for your first few years

> I want to be an officer, but I dont want to be driving trucks for my career just to wear the stripes

"facepalm"

To be fair, my father always joked that I would be "cleaning the latrines" if I joined the military, even though I commissioned. Past OCS, I never had to do any of that shit.

>couldn't pass boot
what a fucking loser lmao

I've honestly stirred our collective shit with JP8 in a half-barrel drum.

Still would rather be enlisted, just being honest.

What's the closest you can get to a military career with a (one year old and fully healed) disqualifying injury?
>just found out last week that I have a compression fracture in my lower back after I went and got an x-ray to see if my posture was normal
>there's no real pain or issues except that I get a bit stiff if I'm in the same position for literal hours
>Australian defence force won't let me serve as the fracture is a liability
>want to be a spook ten years down the track, had planned on spending six in the air force as an intelligence officer
>now have no clue what other Jow Forums related jobs are out there that will demonstrate experience with intelligence
What should I do? Basically straight out of uni, I'm thinking of applying for organisations like the federal police or border force but I've got no idea how strict the requirements are for that and I feel like you already need experience before you could really apply. I'm pretty fit and was pinning my hopes on military so no idea what to do now.

I did something similar for a 35 series gig that I wanted, and don't regret it. Got the training and MOS I wanted, and went contractor after my 5 years doing the same job for more money. Take the guaranteed MI route, dont worry about lame ass officers

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Yeah, getting job skills, free college, and 3-5 years of bachelor style worry free life and maybe some once in a lifetime experiences is for servile idiots and fuck ups.

t. Neverserved

I expect to do my job, Aspergers. I just dont want to get stuck with some shit job thats the total opposite of what I want just to be an officer

As someone whose MOS requires me to work with officers quite closely, if I could I would cross into that side. They just get treated better and don’t have to play as many dumb military games as enlisted. You’ll generally be around more mature individuals as opposed to dudes that just want to get fucked up and drink every time they are off. It gets old after a while. Despite being one of the most competent enlisted people in my section, I’m still the guy breaking down boxes and taking out the trash. The officers will never have to do that. If you want to have more of a voice and impact just be an officer. They also get paid a fuck ton more

OP here, thanks user. Contemplating a lot of things with what to do. Tried doing Navy when I graduated college, but that didn't work. We shall see. One day at a time.

I feel you on that one brother. We are stereotyped as marrying a girl mere weeks after finishing AIT, whereas officers all chant "If she ain't an 8, she don't rate"

I just want some good pussy

>just to wear the stripes
"face-palm"

My favorite joke to play on officers was saying "your rank is upside down". You sound like a user that would look down.

Im not this user you replied back to. But if I ever commission, I know not to look down. Thanks.

Navy SNA here. Go officer. The benefits are much better regardless of branch and the type of work isn't as much bitch work. You'll be better off.

Don't believe you'll be kicking in doors or any of that jazz as enlisted. If you want to be operator go SF, but you can still be an officer and go SF.

I got into OCS with an English degree, and right now aviators are needed so if that job sounds interesting go Navy and OCS for a mostly guaranteed spot so long as you're not a stupid motherfucker.

I don't know about the other officer programs, but Marine OCS is fun if you like getting screamed at and doing flutter kicks for thirty minutes straight.

>Don't believe you'll be kicking in doors or any of that jazz as enlisted.

user, that was my job as a lowly enlisted. I was the door-breacher. And who would have thunk-it, I actually got to breach doors.

You sound like a Siren (Navy recruiter).

If you intend OCS, maybe. It isn't guaranteed.

free men don't serve.

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>english degree
>navy OCS
>doesn't like doing flutter kicks for thirty minutes
you have the mentality of the worst kind of lower enlisted. i guarantee nobody respects you. leadership is not about "being better off"

>I got into OCS with an English degree
>right now aviators are needed
>a mostly guaranteed spot

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Free men choose to serve if they feel like it.
Cowards choose not to serve and make excuses.

The US is a conquered nation. And what the fuck has your service done to stop it?!
Anyway, Kissinger was right about you.

That doesn't seem like a real quote

Fuck-off with your one-note racist bullshit. We are doing fine, outside you of you douche-bags that catastrophize immigration that has occured for three hundred + years.

Get over yourself, even if you only have the attention-span of a nat.

You racist fucking crybabies deserve a fucking pacifier rather than the change you would like. Because you will cry no matter what and make a fuss because it doesn't match up to your feel-sorry-for-me worldview.

How hard is it for any of you fags to be a man? To step up, and defend yourselves and your values? Placing your problems on everyone else besides you is discounting any duty of self-responsibility. You cowards deserve your unhappiness, since you'll do nothing but bitch to others on anonymous forum.

Fucking pathetic, the lot of you.

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What about army officer in special forces?

What is the best course of action with a bachelors degree. Obviously becoming an officer but in what field and do you choose your role?

enjoy becoming a leader via doing flutterkicks while I fly a fucking jet dipshit

You can try out about 3-4 years in.

What do YOU want to do?

I want to be involved in long term strategy. I don't even know how I could get there

I’m trying to get a new job. I’m super lazy as fuck and somehow made it through university. If I can’t get a job by September of this year, I think I’m going to enlist in the army. I really need the beat down.

I will say, I plan on trying to join Customs and Border Protection beforehand.

Look into "functional areas", especially FA59 Strategist. Basically you put in a few years as a line officer and then switch over when you're a captain. I'm only familiar with the Army in this area.

What MOS would an officer pick that would lead to SF?

Literally any of them. It doesn't matter.

ROTC here, how should I rank these branch choices?
>Infantry
>Field Artillery
>Armor

>Infantry
Infantry has the fewest women. It's obviously the most fundamental component of the Army. It has significantly higher select rates to battalion+ command if you're interested in being a lifer. The branch isn't going anywhere. There aren't going to be any big changes. It will always be high prestige and have a strong identity.

There's a small but real possibility that even if you're properly prepared for Ranger School, you will get dropped for some bullshit reason and it will fuck you up early on. I'm not saying it happens a lot, I'm not saying that everyone who claims they got dropped dumb reasons got dropped for dumb reasons, I'm saying that it happens and I've seen it with my own two eyes.

More generally, physical fitness is just more important. There are rifle battalion commanders who will ensure that your career will end at your first duty station if you don't consistently max the APFT. If you go career or are thinking about it, you will be expected to maintain a very high level of personal fitness into your mid-40s. Sometimes that call is hard to make in your early 20s, but sometimes it isn't. This fucks up a lot of mid-career infantry officers.

>Armor
Obviously you will spend more time in and around tanks and AFVs. Armor/cav units tend to promote a more hands-on style from officers because they're smaller and because of their tactical organization (e.g. the CO isn't 1/120 rifles, he's 1/14 tanks). The "fat tanker" is a thing of the past, at least among officers, but PT standards do tend to be a little lower (culturally, not officially). Battalion command+ selection rates were basically equivalent to Infantry during the GWOT but have declined since.

Armor appears to be attracting women who want to be COMBAT ARMS but know they can't pass Ranger School (it has always sort of had this reputation, but the women thing exacerbates it).

The hidden obverse of the lower PT standards is that armor tactics require you to "get" something roughly like a high degree of situational awareness. Senior armor officers and the branch proponent are aware of this and will not let you succeed past Captain unless you've demonstrated you've "got it" and been evaluated accordingly. Most people meet this standard, but some don't, and you won't know if you're one of the poor saps who doesn't until you try.

Field Artillery is a bit of a mess right now. FA LTs have specific technical skills that their soldiers don't and which they're expected to demonstrate. On the other hand, if you can do the work, you're good (and it's really not hard).

The branch has generally lower quality officers than the other two, but the converse of this is that if you're good you'll stand out. You'll have to compete to get platoon and battery leadership, the other two branches pretty much just have to show up.

Also the branch is underappreciated right now. My opinion but the future is more surface-to-surface fires, which means the branch is a growth industry. (So is Air Defense, but Air Defense makes FA look like Delta Force.)

Also food for thought: Armor isn't getting combat deployments right now. Infantry gets the occasional fixed site security "combat deployment".

Field Artillery units on the other hand are getting combat deployments where they actually fire their pieces at the enemy. No guarantees, but it is happening.

>he thinks he's going to be flying
remember i called you a low test english degree faggot when you're given a division officer billet on a bullshit shore assignment

i served. you're just a newfag retard who's too stupid to realize he's not hot shit.

>remember i called you a low test english degree faggot when you're given a division officer billet on a bullshit shore assignment
>i served. you're just a newfag retard who's too stupid to realize he's not hot shit.

jealous incel.

>jealous incel
i am hugging my dd214 right now. enjoy adult day care.

>enlisting with a bachelors

are you retarded?

Do you have a meme degree?

Do you want to be eternally poor?

Seriously, maybe you should enlist if you're too stupid to use your degree.

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>mfw i was enlisted for two tours and am going to school so that i can be an officer and finish my 20 years

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enlistment is literally for kids coming out of highschool. The fuck is wrong with you?

>waiting 20 years to finish your degree.
You're never going to make it.

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Holy shit I have never received such a thoughtful and well written piece of advice on Jow Forums before. Thank you for your support and I'll keep this in the back of my head during branch selection. Also if I may ask is it common for FA officers to go to Ranger School? What are the PT standards like for FA?

>your reading comprehension skills
thank god for autocorrect

They still won't take your degree from your online degree mill, grunt.

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Thank you user

I'm in this position. I have my BA and I want to be an intelligence officer in either Army or Navy. Any general advice from you lot would be appreciated.

should I
>shoot for OCS
>try to be the top of my class
>get put into infantry
>then later try out for SF or the 75th rangers
or
>enlist as an e4
>get guaranteed my MOS as a 35L counter intel agent
>also try out for SF or Rangers with that MOS (do they even take intel guys?)

which one would be a better deal? the Officer route seems more risky and not as set in stone as enlisting, but the quality of life is better?

You need secret clearance to be an officer, right? How hard is that to get? Used to do a ton of drugs and lost a job partially because of it, but I've stopped completely. No record or anything. Am I essentially disqualified? Got a BA and a master's in STEM fields, would probably do well on the ASVAB.

Lie? Op here, I tried enlisting at first couple years ago while getting my associates. And when I went to MEPs you deny everything. But then I decided to get my bachelors. If there is no record or anything, you are good.

phd fag here with similar question

>why dont you go make six figures user?

God and country.

OP here again. Apparently for SF in officers, any MOS will be fine. But for 75th rangers you want to aim for 11A

>What are the PT standards like for FA?
Don't get the impression that you can slack off PT-wise by going not-Infantry. There's an expectation no matter where you go (unless it's a hardcore pogue branch like AG or FN) that you'll be well above standards. Your cadre probably tell you this and you should listen to them. I'm just saying that being a PT stud is basically mandatory as an infantry officer, and throughout your entire career, whereas for the other branches you mentioned, you just need to be in good shape and being a stud is a major advantage but not absolutely vital. From what I've seen of ROTC battalions, if you're not at least "above average" compared to your fellow cadets you're not meeting the customary standards of of either AR or FA. If you want me to put numbers on it, you should be able to score a 270 on an APFT even on a bad day and run five miles in 40 minutes.

>Also if I may ask is it common for FA officers to go to Ranger School?
No, but it's not out of the question either. At BOLC, there will be a pre-Ranger program. In theory slots for non-Infantry LTs are rather limited, but in practice if you show up to all the pre-Ranger events and can meet the RPFT standards you can probably get a slot, and go to Ranger School on the way to your first unit after BOLC. This goes for every branch by the way, not just FA.

A lot of LTs don't even try because the BOLC pre-Ranger program is obviously harder and requires you to get up earlier. Of course if you want to be the best LT you can be, then go for it.

dont fall for the "muh honor" meme
killing sandniggers for israel isnt honorable.

Yeah but I heard that for clearances they go and interview people related to you. And if there's any sign of deception from you you're fucked.

thread is filled with dipshit boots
only officer career worth going into is combat
arms, or medical
or just live off the permanent gibbs as a supply officer or some shit

no a secret clearance is just making sure you dont have ties to other countries or have shit that can be used against you like having a crippling amount of debt. no one gives a fuck if your high school burnout friend said that he may have seen you smoke a blunt at a party 10 years ago

Plenty of officers have degrees from no name universities. As long as it's nationally accredited, it's allowed

pssst aviation

Cool it, Maverick

What are the chances of branching infantry through OCS? I know what is required to do so but was more wondering how open that option is.

Yeah I did a crap-ton of meth though. Surprisingly easy to quit, and I'm a normal and functional person now.

You need to be top of your class IIRC, OCS is basically a competition all the way through and you put down your top 3 chocies for where you would like to go. I dont know if they really follow that, or they throw that away and just put officers where the army needs them most but the higher you are in your class ranking the better chance you have

cringing hard at this fucking nerd

I don't think you understand that he's already a SNA, meaning that he is already in flight school and will be getting his wings. He is going to fly and you aren't, if you're going to attack the guy than focus on facts. For instance, he is probably going to get rotary instead of jets, but even that's a far better job than most enlisted rates.

Are there jobs where I don't have to enlist and it is more like a normal job? I have a family. That's all that keeps me from just running off and joining the MUHREENZ or the Airforce.