Russia and its guns

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Slug guns for this same reason are quite popular among the (very few) Japanese gun owners, as shotguns are the easiest to obtain, with rifles requiring a mountain of paperwork after shotgun ownership, and handguns nigh-impossible unless you're an Olympic Team shooter.

Video below is of a Miroku MSS-20, as featured in the manga "I am a Hero:" one of the most realistic mangas I've ever read in both art style and what guns you'd realistically find in Japan.

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Well yes I'm sure that's possible there but I'm talking about legal methods.

it's sad, though... using laws to punish those who inside, since criminals obviously don't pay notice to such restrictions. how can one be trusted with a gun but only with rat shot?

I am a hero is really good in what you said. But he gets a rifle later on? Shit I need to catch up

5 years of shotguns before rifles, after that semi only, 20in barrels and 10rnd mags. Theres also a max number you can own.

About 1.300-1.800 ft⋅lbf in .366 depending of the mass of the projectile, and about 2.950 ft⋅lbf in 9.6/53 lancaster.
How would a long gun with half-smooth half-rifled barrel be classified in US?
This but 20in is overall length of barrel and a receiver(overall length of gun must be more than 31in, if it folds under that length gun must have a mechanism that does not allow shooting while folded) and no one gives a shit about mag capacity except when you are hunting.

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I recall some loads were comparable to stuff like .35 Remington and .45 Winchester Magnum, so it's not bad.

>Russians have some of the coolest guns in the world
>most Russians can't even own them

Sorry rusk bros. Wish there was another country with basically no gun laws, I'd move and take my guns with me.

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>american user here
Are you a russian Jow Forumsommando? If so, do you do much hunting over there and what is it like?

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Yep, I'm rus/k/ie, I live in Moscow, so the nature in 100 mile radius is pretty fucked, not much to hunt over here. Also we have absolutely retarded hunting rules, so I'm more of a shooting range guy.

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Putin Huilo i vya ego ebuchaya svora pidorasov silovikov. V rot ebal

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He мoгy нe coглacитьcя, бpaтишкa.

>10rnd mags
fun fact, possession and sale of 30 rnd mags is not illegal, you are just on honor system to not put 11 or more rnds in them

I pray one day youll be free slavfriend, hopefully that new training program theyre talking about to support russian ammunition factories spikes interest and people vote with guns in mind

Sorry to hear that annon, being out in the wilderness hunting is one of my favorite pastimes. Nice mosin nagant by the way here's mine.

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> >most Russians can't even own them
That's wrong. Almost everyone can, if you are not criminal, shizo, addict and have $150 for all papers needed.
The problem is there is not enough advertisment. Not many people actually know they can have guns. 3 millions gun owners of 147 millions population. Not cool.

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>3 millions gun owners of 147 millions population
That's no good, those numbers have to increase.

I dont consider having a bunch of butchered rifles into shotguns the same nor the 5 year requirement. Earlier someone also said a mountain of paperwork and a limit on ownership.

>3 million gun owners

Sounds like I was right most dont own many of them

They rebarrel certain saiga model to make it smoothbore. They actually still manufacture the smoothbore SKS, brand new.

vpo 208 and 209 yah?

They will not. Statistics says amount of real guns only decreased - there is only 6 millions guns currently, and IIRC 3 of them - traumatic pistols with rubber bullets and 91 Joules of energy for some kind of BDSM play aka russian self defense. As I said, not cool at all.
That guns limit kills me. Only five shotguns, five rifles and two "pistols". Why? Fuck you, that's why.

Pic - Lancaster rifling, The Loophole.

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>Lancaster rifling

What in the fuck is that ? Ive never seen that before

Lancaster drilling is a kind of oval-screw drilling of a barrel of a smooth-bore weapon, in which there are only two wide rifles in the barrel, the edges of which gradually pass into the fields, and because of this, the barrel's bore seems not round, but oval. At the same time, the “oval” along the trunk does not pass directly, but reproduces a certain number of turns by analogy with grooves. In such a barrel, the bullet acquires the torque, which significantly increases the accuracy and accuracy of shooting. t. Wikipedia.
Basically, it's non-rifled rifle, because law considered it as smoothbore, but in fact heavy 9.5 mm bullet is flying pretty accurate til 150-200 metres. Great for plinking, hunting and self-defense (because of BIG BOOLIT), but expensive, around $0.50 for one round.

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IIRC, it wasn't legal to reload rifle casings, but since the .366TKM and the other one are legally considered shotgun shells, it's legal to reload those?
You could save a bit of money on that.

> IIRC, it wasn't legal to reload rifle casings, but since the .366TKM and the other one are legally considered shotgun shells, it's legal to reload those?
Yes, that's right, but in january guberment reworked the law, so now you can reload everything. Good for those snipers with unobtanium rounds .4629594 Arisaka Lapua Mag.
> You could save a bit of money on that.

Also, .366 is basically 9x39, so subsonic rounds with suppressors are a thing.

Ah, that's good then, some rifle cartridges can indeed be *very* expensive to shoot.
Stuff like the American .45-70 Gov't, or the .338 Lapua Magnum can go down like 70% in shooting cost if one gets into reloading.

Join the thread. I live in Russia, I have a Turkish fake for rem 870 and a non-lethal version of fort-12
Ask if you are interested in something. :)

Hey Russianons, is my interpretation here () basically correct?
Hard to check when I'm inferring stuff from bad Google translations, wikipedia and videos I can't understand.

Anything with even a portion of the barrel rifled that isn't in what the government considers a sporting clause exempted shotshell (.410, 28ga, 20ga, 16ga, 12ga, and 10ga ONLY and fuck you if you have a 32ga or 24ga from europe) is not considered a shotgun.

This does work in our favor in one regard, and that's that pistols that can accept. 410 are legal as long as they have a rifled barrel.

What for? U got norman weapons, wich is not made for gay-liberal Russian laws reality.

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Yes and no, it's not clear smooth bore, it's Lancaster rifling or Paradox (130 mm of rifling at the end of the barrel).

Here's what I got after owning a shotgun for 5 years.
It's a 16" Russian AR-15 by the St. Petersburg company called ADAR.
Free float barrel, 30 round Magpul mags, semi-auto.
Sorry, California brothers.

A civilian firearm is legally defined as having no more than 10-round mags in Russia, but the standard or larger capacity mags are not banned.

We only get to have and carry crappy rubber-bullet handguns, so you've got that on us for sure.

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When you live in Russia where made AK
@
But you can't own real AK

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The Roach knockoff 870 is probably at least as good, if maybe not even better, than Remington's own.

>pistols that can accept. 410 are legal as long as they have a rifled barrel
Interesting, do you have any examples of these? Are they Taurus revolvers?

Your interpretation is correct. Calibres 9.6x54 and .366tkm appeared so that licensees for shotguns could buy things that were certified as shotguns, but de facto are carbines. It is a pity that in order to obtain a license for a carbine or rifle you must have a shotgun for 5 years

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Pleases one, that stuff better then .410 and anotgher shotgun calibers.

So far I have had no problems with this, except that when I disassembled the "hatsan escort aimguard", I extracted some metal shavings, and sometimes the primer does not ignite, but probably the problem is in crap russian 12ga shells

Taurus and Smith revolvers, the .45lc/.410 Contender/Encore pistol barrels. Probably a few other more esoteric ones.

Shit to hear, I'm seeing the same here in Sweden, there are mostly boomers who own firearms, we aren't getting much new blood. We have an even worse limit as well. On a hunting licence it's up to and including four firearms, the feds won't ask any questions, beyond is filled with questions and legit and bulshit justification. Most say that there is a soft cap of five and a hard cap of six or seven.

We can at least own rifles the day we get licence in hand and you can get more room if you gain additional licenses, a pistol licence allows for a competition pistol and a regular pistol, competitive shooting gives you access to pretty much everything short of machine guns and automatics above 9mm parabellum, but only one and only while you are active, I.E. is on range twice a week that, while nice, is impossible if you ever plan to do anything.

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It's not just ratshot. There's a lot of different rounds for these pseudo-rifle calibers like .366TKM, including FMJ, which shoots about as accurately as 7.62x39 out to 200 meters.

Taurus Judge and related
S&W Governor and related
BFR
T/C Contender
Rossi break action
Various derringers

neat. Im curious
>does it get attention at ranges like nice AKs do here?
>will you try to hunt or varmint with it?
>what kind of ammunition do you normally use? brass, steel, grain
>can you get western ammunition like hornady 75gr bthp or sierra tipped matchkings?
>plan to handload ever?

>and automatics above 9mm parabellum
are they that afraid of desert eagles? I can relate to the senseless limitations on what you can own

> >does it get attention at ranges like nice AKs do here?
Not him, I live in Moscow, saw a tacticool SCAR-17 once, it costs probably $15 000 - 20 000 here, not many people give a fuck.

Yeah, people go nuts when they see it, because AR's are pretty expensive and rare. $2000 for a basic free float AR with a shit milspec trigger.
It's an iconic rifle here, a symbol of the American firearms freedom that we envy.

I just shoot it casually and take it to local IPSC matches from time to time.

I've only shot cheap Tula and Barnaul ammo, and it does what I want it to, which is hit targets reliably out to 200 meters.
We've only recently been allowed to reload rifle calibers. I might get into that later.

Yeah, we can get all kinds of expensive ammo. Check out this link to a Russian store and see the brands for yourself. Divide the prices by like 67 and you'll get dollar amounts. huntworld.ru/catalog/okhota_i_sportivnaya_strelba/patrony/nareznye/filter/kalibr-is-223 rem/?sort=pricedown&order=desc

Hi there! In Soviet Russia we love guns, but our gun laws didn't love us.
Fun shooting is not available in most regions, only hunting or shooting ranges with short distances.

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example of how people react differently in different places. my bolt builds at my eastern US local range draw a lot of attention but no one cared when I went to a western range
Im glad the rifle makes you happy.
thanks user, am browsing now

It's not even different places. I'm in Moscow as well as the SCAR guy. It's a city of 15 million, so sure, reactions may vary.

>obviously don't pay notice
It definitely limits the kind of guns criminals like Yakuza can get. There's a reason a couple of pistols is considered a significant result in Japanese firearms seizures.

The ratshot round is made for the sole purpose of making the hunting inspectors fuck off in case they try to >imply that you're hunting birds with slugs. Normal rounds are all solid.

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They are afraid of arming the general populace in case they dislike the rulers. It has been so since time immemorial in some parts of europe. We tend to joke on here about Sweden but it is one of the more liberal when it comes to guns in europe, and gun ownership per capita as well, third behind Schweiz and the checz republic.
I am personally thinking about getting a pistol licens, but the problem there is that you have to be an active shooter to have one and you have to have one for two years before you get to own anything beyond a single-shot .22

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Thanks anons
The ratshot bit was specifically referring to OPs pic, not meant to be implying that they only used them and didn't also use "slugs". Ty for the clarification though. Cool to see the weird stuff other countries do to deal with their gun laws.

>huntworld.ru/catalog/okhota_i_sportivnaya_strelba/patrony/nareznye/patron_223rem_ppu_hp_bt_4_86g/
>m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfTqOXCCyXs
and you guys have actual SMKs, theyre just more expensive. This makes me happy.
Im having a hard time find the twist rate on ADAR though

Here's my beat to shit MЦ 21-12, Soviet clone of auto-5 . The interesting part about it is that choke runs across the entire barrel.

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You get that with a lot of modern Remington shotguns.

Honestly Sweden is run by half boomer fuckwits, and half hippie fuckwits. I really do hate it here.

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It was something like 1 or 2 years in a shooting club, and then you could apply for a license for a .22LR semi-automatic pistol or a .22LR revolver.
Of course, the fudds at the club or the police themselves can do all kinds of bullshit to fuck with you.

At least the boomers let us keep firearms in some form, everyone else is trying to limit them.

Also, fuck yes for people forgetting about lever shotties when they wrote the law, getting one with a 7+1 mag

It's a 1:8 twist and a 5,56 chamber iiirc. The rifle has a Molot RPK-profile barrel with a 1/2-28 thread.

>At least the boomers let us keep firearms in some form
Barely. They're the worst fucking fudds.

>fuck yes for people forgetting about lever shotties when they wrote the law, getting one with a 7+1 mag
They did? You mean I wouldn't be limited legally to 2+1?

КAК ЖE ХOЧETCЯ MOCИHКУ B ЛAHКACTEPE ПИЗДEЦ ПPOCTO

Not in your country for sale?

Эээхххх, кaк жe хoчeтcя APoчкy в лaнкe пoд .366 и .366 мaгнyм....

im too lazy to go throught paperwork

100$ 1 month, bottle in hole and mosin yours.

мнe бы ceйчac хoть oднocтвoлкy

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>bottle in hole
>go to "educational courses" during weekend
>go to schizoouse to take paper that you are not mentally ill
>go to drug test
>Wait for a month
how much time does it take idk

One day for medical papers, one or two days for courses, ~5 days for hunting paper, and license made when you goes to med paper it makes ~30days.

I got my gun one and half months past 18 birthday.
Waiting sucks.

Well we have some semi-auto AKMs (old school) and Saiga 5,45 is basically semi-auto AKs, Tigr as civilian SVD , while Vepr are semi-auto RPKs. So here we're on par with you, burgers, with your neutered ARs. Magazine capacity is strictly 5 rds per gun if you hunt, but no limit at range. Recently introduced new 9,3 Lancaster round ( this one isn't ratshot for sure!) and guns for it, now we can have "smoothbore" SVD and not wait 5 years to get a real shoota. And this year we can reload rifle cartridges legally (earlier we could reload only shotgun shells). So our market is not striving, but alive in its own way. There are some movements from govt to raise the amount of paperwork and to diminish the image of hunters and shooters as freaks, on the other hand - we have new cartridges, new gun models...well, about that.

Use gosuslugi, pal. It really works. Better than runnung around feds on foot.

вы нaхyй дpyг дpyгy пo oглeцки чeтo coвeтyeтe билингвы хyeвы

Igor, is it you?

Oh, fun fact for you, burgers. Historically we didn't use lever-action guns. While some levers such as .444 Marlin are qualified as shotguns, levers are almost non-existent here. And the cartridges are homemade only.

Hy гocycлyги пpoчитaть ты cмoг? Boт и мoлoдeц, a тeпepь нe флyди.

Taк a тoлкy, ecли пo мeдикaм и нa БO caмoмy бeгaть нaдo, тyдa тoлькo зapaнee зaкинyть зaявкy и пoкa кaбaнчикoм бeгaeшь, oни тaм oфopмлять тeбe лицyхy бyдyт.

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Suck my dick we are protected by FSB and Putin

>имплaинг вaшa дocкa чeм тo кaчecтвeннo oтличaeтcя oт двaчeпoмoйки

Since in your blurred vision Putin is a deity of some kind, kid, you must be saving your pocket money for weeks to pay for Internet in your backyard shithole.

burger man talks about affordable internet connection

Guys, let's not these silly geopolitical conflicts

There is no conflict, these are fat trolls.

>t. Shareshill

Took you all day to draw that, champ?

What's the quality on Russian AR-15s? Are they chambered in .366, and if so, how well do they take to it?

>this
Ignore the trolls we are all Jow Forumsomrades here no matter where you are in the world. I appreciate the rusky anons giving their own insight into russian firearm ownership and showing off some of their neet guns. Я жeлaю вaм yдaчи тoвapищи!