Do you think the German government would build me a Tiger 2 Tank if i paid them? I'd really like one as a collectors item.
But there not something that's easy to get as most museums when they close don't sell them but scrap them to scrap metal yards.
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>Be Henschel and Porsche
>Sorry guys, We want to forget the war; But we'll hold onto the documents in the event..?
>German government
Even if they would, which they wouldn't, they couldn't.
No. For the third goddamn time.
just tell them you're going to kill lots of goyim with it. you'll probably get it for free.
>Be Germans don't have the production or knowledge to reproduce a tank that is 70 years behind the times.
Is Germany the AdMech of the 41st Millennium?
>don't have the production or knowledge to reproduce a tank that is 70 years behind the times.
The facilities do not exist anymore.
>The facilities do not exist anymore.
What tooling machines that haven't change for over 100 years? OK.
You don't understand, it's not a matter of outdated technology or expertise. It would be just as challenging as building a new MBT today.
He's got a point. Metal Lathes haven't change in over a 100 years, Neither has welding infact you'd be able to do it better than the slave labor.
Yes, make sure to wear your SS office uniform as you walk through Berlin to PM Merkel's office.
You think they just free handed shit with a press and a drill?
Uh yeah, the tooling has changed, Henschel has been set up to build exclusively locomotives and buses since the 50s.
Good luck with that, BMW won't even supply documents to German plane restorers because "they want to forget about their past" but they love to gloat about their motorsport heritage all the time though.
They couldn't and wouldn't. Krauts would probably rather melt museum pieces down into dildos than see them sold to a civilian, even fully de-milled with no engine.
>German government
No, they're not even in any fucking way related to such an endeavor.
As a mechanical engineer I'm really curious if any actual shop, design or other drawings exist of these machines. I've tried googling it in the past and came up with nothing, I know the model building community has some hardcore members that have actually gotten their hands on some drawings and schematics, but I honestly wonder if any complete-ish drawings exist for some of the armored vehicles used in the war.
Absolutely. The question is getting to them. They are probably rotting in some confidential archive.
Considering their limited production volumes, insufficient regard for spare parts and reliability, innumerous variations of pick-and-mix vehicles, and excessive focus on over-engineered machines, they might as well had worked like pre-industrial artisans.
>Absolutely. The question is getting to them.
You'd be surprised how lackluster archiving is done, from personal experience alone I can tell you that we had incomplete records for an active submarine to which modifications where to be carried out; a substantial amount of drawings were simply shredded, lost or otherwise displaced (no digitized back-ups made or master blueprints anywhere). It would be fucking amazing getting a hand on those drawings if they still exist, just scanning the entire batch and dumping it on the internet.
its not about the tools and facilities, its the expertise of the people that built them. even with complete blueprints it would be a monumental task to reproduce it 100%. like that rocket engine from the 70's i forgot the name that they were trying to reproduce because of its efficiency. they had complete blueprints and documentation but couldn't complete it.
Porsche still runs the tooling for old 911 parts and panels and has started to 3D print the more obscure and rare ones.
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Didn't the French equip their military with Panthers after WW2? The tooling for parts could have been moved there.
We germans are super autistic about this shit. I'd expect atleast a semi-complete collection to exist. The wild card is how much was lost during the later years of the war. They probably aren't open access tho. Which basically means that the only people that do have access don't want to publish it because it'll fuck up their career.
Kubelwagens are being reproduced from the original blueprints and partial tooling. "Only" 51k dollars.
>Didn't the French equip their military with Panthers after WW2?
Yeah, and they quickly got rid of them because they were that shitty.
Im not quite sure if merkel, spahn and the others have the engineering and mechanical knowledge to build one.
im not even sure if the german goverment is producing anything
The government? Fuck no, getting it done privately? you may have a small chance
Thats stupid, im working as a product designer for a german traditional heavy special engineering company and building a king tiger is completely up to our abilities, with all blueprints it would be anything between 1-2 months work and nothing about it is "monumental"
Bullshit, the bundeswehr and a lot of german firms rebuilt an A7V and a Tiger for the Panzermuseum
i'd believe your 1 to 2 months in regards to planning, but you yourself said that you are a product designer. this would realistically be a project years in the making. designing and engineering are quite different. i'm not mocking you or anything but your are seriously underestimating this endeavor.
I mean nothing is stopping you from putting together a replica. Wargaming had access to blueprints or at the very least documentation of most vehicles in the game.
All it takes is time and money.
>pay for design documentation
>manufacture elsewhere
This is how stuff works in real life, at least in industrial projects.
The documentation is as important as the manufacturing/assembly side and these are rarely done in the same place or even the same country.
Sorry but all the blueprints are there we would do this in 1 month work. we built generators for siemens in shorter times which are far larger.
the most complicated thing would be the motor but outsourcing that and getting it done in two weeks is no problem either
casting the hull and turret would be the hardest and longest part but also that is possible under 4 weeks
i dont really see why this would be a years project ?
What would you use as the power train? What about the gun? The transmission?
*if all blueprints would be there
and if you really had to, contact the museum that has the Tiger II and see if you can get precise measurements and unrestricted access to the hardware. for a fee of course. that's how this one team built a Tiger I from scratch
There are lots of commercial systems that would probably fit, BUT i said if the blueprints would be there we simply could outsource the power train and transmission or built them ourselves after original specs. The gun would be really really easy since it can be done on one of our lathes.
The small parts would be outsourced
to be fair your estimation would be correct for a replica, a museum piece or collectors item. but to be truly functional it would need at least a few months of tweaking even parts replacement. not to mention trials and such for the gun,engine and others. that's my opinion in the matter since i would have envisioned a fully functional tank since it would be built from scratch.
no only it wouldn't be easy your plan would make some barely functional monstrosity that just on outside looks like tiger. awesome
? how is rebuilding everything after ORIGINAL specs
> barely functional monstrosity that just on outside looks like tiger
>it can be done on one of our lathes
this, this is why you know jack and shit now gtfo its fucking insulting to your pants on head retarded thread
You subhuman retard, how do you think gun barrels where made ?
of course you use a lathe
Here is a picture of Watervliet Arsenal making a gun barrel on a lathe
Info on the Tiger, I thought the North Africa captured Tiger was the only one running.
>As a mechanical engineer I'm really curious if any actual shop, design or other drawings exist of these machines. I've tried googling it in the past and came up with nothing, I know the model building community has some hardcore members that have actually gotten their hands on some drawings and schematics, but I honestly wonder if any complete-ish drawings exist for some of the armored vehicles used in the war.
For what I know somebody somewhere has all the dandy stuff to reproduce either a Jagdpanther G1 or a G2 exterior shell, it's all about stealing a working Panther, clone its engine and come up with the interior work, also someone got the drawings of earlier BF-109s think from B through E and something between mid F and up to G6 variants, I'm not sure cause some of them were posted when Fine Molds released their 109ish family and people was wondering how to deal with E variants cause of course most model companies like Tamiya releases a variant, hints you that future variants are a maybe due tooling design and parts break up then fucks you in the butt and releases none of it
>rebuilt
Quite a bit of difference between restoration and making a brand new one, especially accurately. If you don't care about having as close to 100% accuracy as possible on the inside that gives you some wiggle room allowing you to use more available parts where applicable and skimp in some places. A Tiger II that's only skin deep I could see being done relatively quickly compared to one that's as accurate as possible.
I'm not exactly confident in you even coming remotely close to that time frame you dropped. If you want to take that as a challenge and prove me wrong for the honor of krauts everywhere please do. Seeing an accurate new production Tiger II, even if it's only one, would be kick ass.
>Quite a bit of difference between restoration and making a brand new one, especially accurately. If you don't care about having as close to 100% accuracy as possible on the inside that gives you some wiggle room allowing you to use more available parts where applicable and skimp in some places.
Its just metal parts that have to be forged, machined, milled, turned
If my company or for that any other good one that does machines for special purposes it would be just an exercise in cooperation with other companies that do the drivetrain etc.
Building a HL 230 is not Magic
Forging and turning a gunbarrel is a days work in two shifts maybe
making the hull and turret parts would be just another job thats not different
1-2 months for one tank is realistic if the blueprints and the documents are there
I guess people cannot believe that because its the "mystical" tiger and a tank is always a piece of awe
But for me its just a machine
We do Generators for Siemens that where used for DAMS (!) and it was not a "monumental" job and im sure there are a lot of french, british and american companies which would also have no problems in doing this
If they did, they would confiscate it immediately.
In 2016 they even stole a panther that a guy rebuilt from a hulk he bought from a scrap yard.
He used it to clear roads after winter storms. He had it since the 70s, and even they mayor was all "everybody knew that guy had a panther tank, he drove it around all the time, and had documents permitting it"
They ducked it up dragging it out of his secret bunker. They also stole a V1 rocket, and a whole bunch of other cool shit.
I guess this image is NSFW because any pollack or Jow Forums guy will curse really loud at this tank rape
Didn't they fuck the transmission because they didn't know how to take it out of drive or was that another basement Panther?
Different I think. This one fucked up the suspension.
This is why we can't have nice things.
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>the army had to be called in with modern-day tanks to haul the Panther from its cellar. It took about 20 soldiers almost nine hours to extract the tank - which was without its tracks - and push it onto a low-loader
>9 hours
Should've sent a fucking engineer unit
it's the only *original* one left
The US army has at least 1, and maybe 2 at fort benning (no public access). Along with 1 of every other tank known to man best Ive seen. The US calvary has a well funded restoration team, PBUT.
But yes, otherwise, the bovington museum model is unique because it was an early model, and the crew allegedly abandoned it when they took a hit and it lodges between the turret and body, disabling turret rotation.
One is in roughly perfect shape, but they cut an armor plate off the side decades ago to make it a literal cutaway model. The other is rough, but in restoration.
That probably was the engineering unit. It was 2 tank recovery tanks. They should have left it the fuck alone.
Im going to add, they only got on this unit, because they wrapped up quick priority work on a WW1 anniversary mark 1.
Anyone here a current or recent tanker in the Army? How common are female tankers? Just curious.
So look, I wasnt in the army, but having spent 18 years living on army bases and going through engineering school.
Dont stick your dick in crazy.
And if there is a woman who wants to be in a tank, that fits the bill.
Nigger ass bitch, ass bitch nigger
what about this one?
The German government never built tanks you moron.
Meme answer "lol fuck no"
But my wife is past due by 4 days, and I found a free powerwheels gator, fixed it, and am getting ready to put stantion on it for a nerf machine gun. So my mind is all fucked
Wonder if the old man's lawyer ever got it back. Along with the flak 88.
>cursed image
It was in very good shape and locals told that the man drove it around the town only few decades ago in the 90s.
wait are you the user that`s building a toy technical?
No word, but probably not. They decided to do a USA and attack taxes.
Yeah, I have all the spare parts in the mail, and a vulcan nerf gun. And a few RPG nerf things.
I need a shovel kit.
It was even registered and had permits.
Fucking fuck. Im german by blood, and this makes me ill.
Like what was even the point? Why not remove the loading mechanism/breech support and call it a day. Just suddenly deciding to take something that has no bearing on your day to day because someone else was having too much fun? I would of been ashamed of myself the entire time if I was told to do that.
The guy was running a private museum which he sold tickets to. He caught attention from some prosecutor specialized in nazi art theft, etc and everything had to be confiscated as a show of force by the prosecutor which is told to have a history of making small cases into very big ones for attention in their circles.
He originally saved the Panther which was in bad shape from becoming scrap metal and restored it. Locals say he used it as a tractor during winters plowing snowy roads open for villagers and pulling stuck cars out of ditches.
I assume to keep your job as a nazi art specialist you would have to create cases for yourself. I can't imagine someone is ringing up your office every morning crying out about some offending art.
It was even worse. It was a hulk, with nothing, sitting in a scrap yard. They used it for testing back right after the war. It didnt have a turret, wheels, nothing. It was a body for scrap metal.
The dude saved it, and the only reason we didnt raise a shitshow was the trump election.
>a panther tank died for trump
Dunno how to feel about this
Bad
Would the government do it? No, c'mon man, they government has other things they worry about. Best you can hope for is they put you in touch with some private industry who might be willing to take on the challenge. Odds are though, you'd need a fucking boat load of money, and all the technical specs required.
>Like what was even the point?
He had a Flak41 and a torpedo that hadn't been demiled so they ended up confiscating it.
I think they are referring to the movie prop Tiger 1 that was built for “White Tiger” but never actually was used in the film as it wasn’t completed in time for filming
No, I just wanted an approximation of how many tank crewmen are female in the Army. Vanishingly few, I would imagine.
Considering that none of them wanted to work on restoring the Maus, not even Porsche(and the hull of that thing is intact, all it needs is the interior and drivetrain). I doubt any german organisation would want to.
I don't even have a proper image fore this. It just makes me sad.
>Why not remove the loading mechanism/breech support and call it a day.
IIRC this guy actually had some form of documentation that the 75mm was deactivated. They just stole it for no reason.
If you want an Honest non-meme answer it would actually be Wargaming.net
They have taken very accurate measurements, 3d scans and photos of the extreriors of every AFV they can to help their modelling process. The Powerplant and transmission will be a mystery still but sd they're already deeply involved with the restoration community I would guess thats the best place to start.
Even if you could never find the plans I suppose you could probably reverse engineer it. It'd be a bitch though.
You'll have far better luck building it yourself
>but scrap them to scrap metal yards.
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>I would of been ashamed of myself the entire time if I was told to do that.
Well I would have quit and/or beat up whoever ordered it.
>Which basically means that the only people that do have access don't want to publish it because it'll fuck up their career.
Should just throw it out on the internet for historical purposes so I can reproduce a Panther for LARP'ing purposes.
>The wild card is how much was lost during the later years of the war.
Same thing happened in my case and that was because of a bankruptcy and people understandably being pissed about having lost their jobs (company was partially absorbed, ie the archiving department was digitized and a lot of shit either got trashed, was misplaced and there’s also the possibility that some now geriatric boomers have confidential drawings locked away in their cupboars). A semi-complete set is what you need for 70 to 90% of the work though, compressors, engine, hydraulics and electrical stuff can be made to look authentic but replaced by better modern equivalents (Like I said, LARP’ing purposes).
>He caught attention from some prosecutor
>have a history of making small cases into very big ones for attention in their circles.
This is why you should hate the justice department and government, or at least be extremely suspicious of the entire bunch. The only people that naturally flock to these kind of positions are either looking to martyr themselves in pursuit of justice (minority elements) and complete and utter faggots that will do anything to show off the retarded power they wield.
I see it's for .45ACP
Most Germans I know don't really like.being reminded about the war.
There were.some German builders at work who were building a storage facility for oxygen and aceyelene bottles, when someone mentioned that they were building a gas chamber, they walked off site and wouldn't return.
Be Alt-Right.
Get your Hands on all the design documents, call them racist and say "we're trying to forget the war and move on" if they try and get it back.
Your move.
But user, Those tanks were built by slave labor meaning the level of knownlege is fairly low.
>It was even registered and had permits.
>Fucking fuck. Im german by blood, and this makes me ill.
What is it? Um. A motorized Tractor plow.
But it has a gun barrel!
Nonsense that's a tool to level snow.
OK. Permit granted.
Cringe and strokepilled.
Assad or the Israelis might sell you one from the Golan heights if you arrange shipping
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>collectors item.
(You)
Europeans are property not citizens
Much like Americans and their corporate overlords? Oh, I forgot, we're living under multinational capitalism. We're technically all property in one way or another.
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We in USA lost the capability to cast big shit like a steam locomotive frame or tank hull. It would have to be fabricated and welded in Y2K+19.
How do you lose the ablity to pour metal?
manufacturing processes change, the tools and machinery used would have been scrapped/sold off when they outlived their usefulness.
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