What would happen if someone put a bomb on a oil pipeline? would the oil burn...

So, if someone wanted to destroy/disrupt NordStream for certain economic and political reasons, and had to do it in a way that wouldn’t implicate a state-level actor, how would one go about it?

It's because most people smart enough to pull off these don't have the proper motivation

Yeah, I made this thread after watching this video. What causes this to happen?

Watch The World is not Enough

A chain reaction would blow up the pipe for all thousands of miles.

Ha!

>why dont terrorists and ecofaggots do it?

Oil companies spend a lot of money on security, to the level of hiring retired SF etc to red team their systems

>why don't ecofaggots deliberately spill thousands of gallons of oil over the ecosystems they're trying to protect?
Even Greenpeace isn't that retarded.

Plus, blowing a pipeline would spill a fuckton of oil, messing up the environment even more. That leaves only attackers interested in doing gross infrastructure damage as the only possible attackers, which are very rare.

They were tapping that gasoline pipe for a while prior, see all the jumping beans running away with jugs and buckets? They were stealing it from the pipe, but one of them set it off somehow and the whole thing ignited.

All they have is radiosensors and such to detect when people get to the pipeline. If you're in and out in a remote enough area you probably could get away with it.

>Then how come there are pipeline explosions?
Those are usually *gas* pipelines, not oil.
When there are explosions they are usually caused by exceptional circumstances. For example, a section might be shut down for repairs. A worker using a grinder or a welder creates sparks which ignite the gaseous fumes in the partially drained section of pipe, which goes boom. Liquid oil is not explosive. Hell, a lot of it won't even burn.

kek. I thought as said there would be more security on pipelines, I didnt know it was that easy. One could literally just detonate a small bomb on a pipeline and ignite it, what security is gonna stop that?

That's Mexico. It's the Third World. Their security teams probably take a cut to look the other way.

What would that even do?
A small bomb might make a hole in the pipe. Suddenly oil rushes out, the sensors in the pipeline detect the sudden pressure drop and shut off the flow. You'd cause a minor oil spill and maybe a fire.

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>I didnt know it was that easy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack
>The attack, in which gunmen fired on 17 electrical transformers, resulted in more than $15 million worth of equipment damage

>Then how come there are pipeline explosions?
Niggers stealing the oil

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Then they probably got a bonus by making the problem a bit more "combustable", to send a message

Apparently, the gasoline thieves broke the pipe to steal gas, and one thought it was a good idea to bring a lantern at night to a place with gasoline being sprayed into the air.

Bombing a pipeline isnt even close to the easiest way to shut down production, doesnt even rank in the top 20.

Wtf, who did this and why?

Do tell. It's a stationary, high-throughput, relatively unsecured and isolated target, what could be easier to hit?

It might not be, but it's the most safe and easy to get away with it

That’s the kind of terrorism that causes damage. I guess it’s a good thing most people who do that sort of thing are too dumb to target infrastructure.

Former Chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission Jon Wellinghoff stated that military experts informed him that the assault looked like a "professional job", noting that no fingerprints were discovered on the empty casings.[7] He has described the attack as "the most significant incident of domestic terrorism involving the grid that has ever occurred".[9]

Henry Waxman, a ranking member of the United States House Committee on Energy and Commerce, stated that the attack was "an unprecedented and sophisticated attack on an electric grid substation with military-style weapons. Communications were disrupted. The attack inflicted substantial damage. It took weeks to replace the damaged parts. Under slightly different conditions, there could have been serious power outages or worse."[8]

>ecofag
>purposely spilling oil into the ocean
Yea I don’t think even ecofags are that retarded user

Who would be interested in doing this?

Electrical grid. Even accidents shut down 25% of the states.

An even more professional job would've used brass catchers IMO, no reason to take the risk of a fingerprint on a cartridge.

assmad AT&T/PG&E customers
Prior to the attack, a series of fiber-optic telecommunications cables operated by AT&T were cut by the culprits. Additionally, following the attack, investigators found small piles of rocks near to where the shots had been fired, the type of formations that can be used to scout firing positions.[7][8]

You're worrying too much on "easy" and not paying enough attention to the amount of damage caused.

Why would "professionals" seeking to damage a power installation not be using weapons capable of dealing more damage than 7.62x39? If you can't muster up anti-materiel rifles then you can at least fire 308 AP

Unless the cartridges were intentionally left. I read somewhere that they were 7.62x39. If I were Tom Clancy, that would be an intentional Russian message.

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That's true, but I find more merit in being able to hit an easy target and keep hitting targets, rather than one larger one and getting caught. Nobody's really done sustained attacks on infrastructure.

>Nobody's really done sustained attacks on infrastructure.
Lol.
Study up on the activities of the resistance operations in Europe conducted during WWII, especially that organized by the SOE. They had sabotaging infastructre down to a fucking art.

What would be the most effective way of damaging the electrical grid to say, cut the electricity of a city?

>In October 2015, it was reported that the Department of Homeland Security had found indications that the attack may have been committed by "an insider".[15]
the linked article mentions the subsequent massive security upgrades so one might wonder if it were someone doing it as a proof of concept to make it impossible for them to continue to ignore the vulnerability and force the administration to take action.

It's California, probably easier getting around without some fuckhuge rifle that shoots through schools. What I want to highlight is that a group of dudes with some rifles and a magazine or two each managed to execute what the feds consider the most significant and damaging incident of domestic terrorism regarding the grid.

>What I want to highlight is that a group of dudes with some rifles and a magazine or two each managed to execute what the feds consider the most significant and damaging incident of domestic terrorism regarding the grid.
Oh, I agree there.

My point is different: I'm saying they easily could have done a whole lot better.

a 2AM sneak attack is little different with a barret than an AK, it's not like they have to conceal these weapons on their person in public. they're driving out in the middle of nowhere. Even then a semiauto 308 loaded with AP and a few tracers would wreak a lot more havoc.

They didn't have to deal with motion sensors and security cameras, plus they had reliable teammates. It's nearly impossible to form a group to sabotage something without getting it chock full of feds unless you're only pulling from people you've known forever.

>be father in the mid 1990s
>work for state police
>get assigned to go undercover in a branch of some regional militia
>about a dozen full members
>fool around innawoods for a few months
>finally hear some guy cooking up a plan to bomb a judge
>half the militia is onboard with it
>dad is a bit shocked, as most of them seemed normal enough
>a couple guys leave the group
>plot keeps advancing
>state police decide they have enough evidence for a case
>plan to arrest everyone at the meeting after next
>dad is at the meeting one week before the scheduled raid
>suddenly, doors get kicked in
>everybody gets arrested
>State Police confused as fuck
>dad later finds out that the guy who started the plot was ATF
>club president was FBI
>two sheriff's deputies in the rank-and-file
>US Marshals involved somehow
>whole militia branch was founded as an FBI honeypot

Dad's face when the whole thing gets buried out of embarrassment.

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depends on the city. your first job is to research: where are the plants, how do they work (gas, coal, oil, hydro, etc.) Attacking the supporting infastructure may be more effective than the plant itself. For example, a coal-fired plant is fucked if the rail line which delivers the coal is disrupted. A hydro plant is fucked if you blow up the penstock, and so on.

Also think about the big picture: what happens when a plant goes offline: the power is redistributed from elsewhere in the grid, so how to you prevent that from happening? Again, research: you could time the attack to co-incide with peak demand, or when other nearby plants are below capacity for some other reason (other attacks, maintenance, etc).

wouldn't it be easier to just cut the right cables

>They didn't have to deal with motion sensors and security cameras
That's true, though they were dealing with conducting these operations under hostile occupation with armed nazi guards and soldiers everywhere. They developed a lot of methods to get around scrutiny.

>plus they had reliable teammates.
I'm not sure you are following what I'm talking about. The SOE developed tactics and tools that were distributed to random people, often by airdrop into occupied countries. The attacks were carried out by random people. I'm not talking about organized spec ops raids. I'm talking about tacts that were designed for one person to cause serious infastructure disruption.

There's way to much to write about, which I why I suggest you read up elsewhere, but a few things:
-magnetic mine stuck to the hull of a ship which explodes hours or days later; ideally you would time this so the ship sinks somewhere that is blocking a harbor or fuel terminal.
-explosive charge stuck on railroad track blows up and derails the train when it passes. better yet, do it on a bridge, or in a tunnel.

Cutting cables is really easy to fix, and it may not disrupt much of anything since modern electrical grids are designed to work around problems like that.

You could cut cables and then deploy other tactics to make the repairs harder. Arson the site. Plant bombs, chemical, or bio agents--real or fake--to force those to be cleared before the repairmen can go to work.

Do you know of any good manuals that have been published? I'm interested in the train derailment, chiefly the amount of charge you would need for a guaranteed derailment. I'm surprised there hasn't been many rail attacks.

This. Maybe sniping at the repair crews? They'd get smart and have police escort soon, but if they're too scared to repair the lines, you'd keep them down for much longer. You could use that time to hit another line on the same system.

fuck off FBI

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Or maybe contaminating the area with radioisotopes so nobody could get near. Think about Chernobyl, nobody can get close enough to just repair the reactor and well, all the city

This, imagine if someone did that with a fucking metro train, lots of people would die.

We're pretty lucky that terrorists are low IQ morons.

There are countless books on the subject. My brother is a huge WWII nut and has dozens. I'll ask for specfic recommendations, but you can just google "WWII SOE resistance" or "WWII resistance sabotage" and the like and I'm sure you will find plenty.

Pipeline thieves have been stealing oil & diesel in mexico for decades. It's real simple, Buy a front gas station. Dig a tunnel to a pipe. Tap & take several hundred barrels a day for months without being noticed. Several million a year and only get busted when the gas company sends a bot down the pipe for inspections
In that case it looks like they just dug down and failed botched that tap causing a geyser.

Bro just came back with book sugestions:
SOE Equipment Air Dropped in Europe 1940-1945 by Anders Thygsen & Michael Sode shows EXACT photos, technical drawings, and contains a full copy of the associated instructions & tactics manual as well.

OSS Special Weapons & Equipment by H. Keith Melton is more "spy" oriented, but also contains info about the sabotage and resitance stuff too.

Fucking based. Thanks for not being like most 'dae atf/fbi' posters.

I'm guessing you already know about TM 31-210, but for any other anons here, it's one of the greatest improvised explosives handbooks out there and should be required reading here.

gunfreezone.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/improvised-munitions-handbook.pdf

^ Best online version of it. Have fun.

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am I gonna get v& for opening that image

I wouldn’t worry about it user. On an unrelated note, do you have any dogs?

Supposedly OP wanted to hear this but I sincerely doubt it would ever work that way. Sure, loss of profit and a couple million in damages, but that just gives the oil companies a justification to raise gasoline prices world wide. So instead of fucking the company, you fuck with everyone everywhere. Not even ISIS was ready to do this, in fact they sold oil abundantly

It wouldn’t. They don’t pipe fuel with enough air inside to facilitate combustion, for obvious reasons. Also, they’re gonna close valves upstream when a leak is detected.

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Used to happen all the time in Canada. Natives bombing pipelines because they wanted more gibs from the government and kickbacks from the oil company.

Causes a big environmental disaster and makes news. It's part of the reason why BC is dead set against a pipeline from Alberta. Because the chugs would just fuck with it.

Not water, usually a slurry of diesel transmix.

No, I meant that was what he wanted to hear. Of course it would work like you said

You're looking at it wrong. They should have gone smaller, not larger. A big bullet destroys the transformer right then and there in a very obvious fashion. Popping it with a .22 once or twice causes it to spectacularly fail two or three months later, which gives you more than enough time to drive around and hit every transformer in town and plenty more time for anyone who saw you to forget your face.

Boots and Coots pioneered a method of extinguishing oil well fires by planting dynamite adjacent to the blaze and using the explosive charge to "blow out the candle" as it were. That's why they were considered fucking nuts when they first presented the idea to well operators.

This thread glows in the dark.

A total absence if white people.

holy FUCK is this even real? looks like a movie.

horrible way to die.

shooting a transformer with two .22 bullets will cause it to fail in 3 months?

Putting a slow leak in the transformer's cooling oil pan will fuck it up down the line, yes.

kek

>You're looking at it wrong. They should have gone smaller, not larger.
Depends on your goals. I was operating under the assumption that you wanted to control when the failure occured as part of some greater plan. Of course if you have no greater plan and your goal is just to cause havok then a slow leak is a valid option. If you want to go for small leaks I'd still suggest AP though, just smaller caliber. you want to make sure you're putting holes in what you hit, if you're just making dents that's useless.

i guess they dont teach stop drop and roll in mexico

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There's some wisdom in getting out of the area before dropping to the ground and rolling, but yeah more than a few of those people made it worse or died because they ran clear of the blast and just kept running.

"Partisan Leader's Handbook" from the British Military Intelligence in 1939 has a section on the subject.

Where can i find the pdf version of the first one?
cant find it...

That one video of niggers stealing spilled oil or gas then it cuts to all of them reduced to burnt corpses

>i guess they dont teach stop drop and roll in mexico
They don't teach "stay away from giant fountains of gasoline" either. Honestly, the people there got what they deserved. Typical corrupt latins, want the free gas, who cares if their 5 dollars of fuel take-home takes millions of dollars of fuel away from end customers.

Oh hell no. I’m not falling for that one again.

I have no idea, sorry. My bro has the hardcopy. That is not an easy book to get, it was published in Denmark by a historical group, though it is written in English. My brother got his copy directly from the author.

>ecofaggots do it?
Because it would ruin the point they're trying to make.

>feds consider the most significant and damaging incident of domestic terrorism

They also called it sophisticated. A bunch of yahoos with AKs, in a pickup truck, is not what I’d consider sophisticated. Hell, it could have been a pack of drunk crayon eaters on weekend liberty from 29 Palms doing it because they were bored. Bored E3 and below will find all manner of creative ways to tear shit up. I almost burnt down a whole marina full of sailboats from 400 yards away once, because I was bored.

Why would a repairman for a random power cable be wearing a geiger counter?
Unless the radiation is in the "immediately dangerous" level, there is no reason to believe that anyone would notice it.
For the purposes of delaying repair crews, it is imperative that they PERCEIVE a threat - it doesn't even matter if there is any real threat.

considering they leaked H-bomb schematics in the 1980's...

Beat me to it. An explosion large enough to severely rupture a pipeline is probably going to snuff out the flame. The trick after that is if the material in the pipe catches a secondary fire. And that's going to depend on the surroundings mostly, something has to be flammable/sparking/on fire from the first heat wave.

Pipelines have leak/flow/annular leak detectors, bop style systems, etc. So it's not like they're going to keep shiting fuel out either.

don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to be a dick, but if you are getting into reasearching this kind of stuff (or history in general) you're proably only going to find about 5% of the sources if you are limiting yourself to PDFs. Many military sources, obscure collector books, etc, simply don't exist on PDFs. Don't get me wrong, PDFs are fucking great when you can get them, but you usually can't. Plan on spending lots of time in libraries, archives, and hunting down books which are long out of print and sell for mad money.

>liveleak
>embedded youtube link

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>For the purposes of delaying repair crews, it is imperative that they PERCEIVE a threat
Of course.
All that means is that you need to leave some kind of sign. You could spray-paint "enjoy the radiation, suckers". You could leave a sign, a radioactive goods container...

Do you know a lot of people with access to weapons-grade fissile material, high-yield explosives shaped to precise measurements and lithium deuteride?
Assembling a nuclear weapon requires a lot more than just a fucking schematic.