>WASHINGTON — The Navy’s newest fighter jet, the stealthy F-35C, may not have the range it needs to strike enemy targets, the House Armed Services Committee said in a new report, raising troubling questions about whether the multibillion-dollar program is already outpaced by threats.
>The reason, experts say, is that the aircraft carriers from which the F-35Cs would operate may be required to sail too far away from enemies to avoid their increasingly long-range missiles.
>Dan Grazier, of the Project on Government Oversight, said the House directive “highlights just how poorly conceived the Joint Strike Fighter program has been from the very beginning.”
>“The issue of anti-ship cruise missiles is not a new one,” he said. “The complexity of the F-35 program has dragged out the design process to nearly 20 years, which means we are not keeping pace with emerging threats.”
It's wrong and represents a deep lack of understanding of how carrier aircraft operate, as well as highlighting an already solved problem and buying into absurd claims of range of "new" anti-ship missiles.
Aiden Gutierrez
The article ignores in-air refueling (calls it too dangerous), drop tanks, and the fact that the LRASM has an estimated range of 300 nmi from a ship-launched platform, with air-launch presumably increasing the range by a significant margin. Seems like a big non-issue to me.
Blake King
This is why I always said the F-35C should be capable of in-flight refueling and the navy should build some kind of carrier-launched tanker.
>leave it to an amerimutt to think they are disclosing the real pricetag within the next 40 years You never worked with American public contractors did you you virgin?
Ayden Nelson
What's a better aircraft for the US's planned use for them, then? It's not like Russia and China are blazing the path on 5th gen planes, and the F-22 is better suited for A2A than multirole.
Cameron Stewart
Tankers were the excuse to justify the first Bugs. If a short range plane + tanker is adequate, a long range plane + tanker is much better.
Matthew Jackson
We had threads on this back in 2018. The f-35 can already do 700 miles on internal fuel, no reason it can't go further off of tanker. Lots of f-35 OBSESSION lately.
Luke Kelly
>lifetime cost of the entire program. So what's your fucking point you retarded mong, Lockshit still wasted 1.5 trillion of taxpayer's money on shit plane that is already an objective failure. Good job shitting in your own pants, brainlet.
Dominic Edwards
Sure, but even without a tanker, the 670nmi combat radius of the F-35C combined with the 300+nmi range of the LRASM should be sufficient. Plus, Block IV Tomahawks are going to have naval attack capability, and those are much longer range than the LRASM.
John Collins
>Objective failure The most advanced fighter aircraft in human history is an objective failure because some dumbass on Jow Forums said so? Well, I guess the US should just cancel the program and buy all 12 Su-57s to fill the gap.
William Kelly
>chinese medium range anti ship missiles outrange the carrier-launched F-35 How do we fix this
Joseph Myers
>astroturfing vatniks and chinks
You fags dont even have the final engines for your handful of gen """5""" prototypes
Ethan Hernandez
Is of no concern. Su-27MS+++ is worth 100 Fail-35s
Isaiah Taylor
They are making a carrier refueling drone the MQ-25
The Chinese super J-20 will have enough stealth to get into range before launching their antiship missiles and turning back before they could be detected by American ships. American tankers will be detected by Chinese super radars and shot down before they could refuel the F-35s because tankers are not stealth and will be a beacon of light in Chinese super radars. Not to mention that F-35 cannot carry internal slow anti ship missiles. They lose their stealth and because they need to fly high to conserve fuel they are easy targets for Chinese super radars. The LRASM is just a Harpoon with a body kit and China has tinkered with slow missiles enough to know how to easily counter it even if it has a body kit. Not to mention it only has a meager 300nm range when fired by air, surface launch would even have smaller range.
Inb4 muh surface lumch LRASM is 300nm! No, they test air launches and set specifications. Unlike superior Chinese missiles which has far more range and stealth capabilities. Even Chinese universities has already over taken American DARPA.
Connor Wood
Imagine hating on the f35 or f22
Noah Gray
quit larping Pajeet
Ayden Scott
It's always either scared Chinese and Russians or dumb Americans that don't understand how air power works. Luckily, among people who actually know what they're talking about, these conversations are of no consequence. There's a reason why everyone wants to buy them.
Isaiah Phillips
>it's totally fine to waste 1.5 trillion of taxpayer's money on an objective shit plane because my big daddy government and Lockshit corporation said that it was money well spent This is your brain on bootlickers. >buy 12 Su-57s to fill the gap You might as well do that at this point, it's still going to be a more reasonable waste of money then trying to fuck a rotting corpse that is F-35 program.
Evan Wright
Go back to bed sprey
Jack Edwards
Yeah, because they all invested in that pile of turd and now have no choice but to buy this trash or suffer the wrath of amerishat military industrial complex.
John Nguyen
By having real weapons that are functional.
Elijah Davis
>Dan Grazier, of the Project on Government Oversight >POGO EVERY THREAD UNTIL YOU FAGGOTS LEARN TO STOP TRUSTING THESE HACKS pogoarchives.org/labyrinth/09/07.pdf
Joshua Hughes
The F-35 is fine. It's gotten to a point where the unit cost has dropped to around $80 million for the A variant, and it's significantly more capable than any platform out there other than the F-22.
Also for the Sanders voter bitching about "muh MIC", the US really doesn't spend all that much proportionally to GDP on defense compared to its rivals. It's a lot, but despite being the global leader, it's less than Russia or the Gulf States.
A clickbait site that manages to be worse than National Interest. Not too long ago they ran an article claiming the Army was getting rid of CROWS on Abrams.
>MUH TITLE >MUH SITE it's straight out of the Congressional report you buttmad nigger
Liam Hernandez
I mean, it objectively is. It's still a significantly better plane than anything Russia will ever put out, and is at worst only slightly more advanced than the J-20. The only aircraft that can currently threaten it is the F-22, and luckily, the US is the only country with the aerospace industry necessary to develop something like that.
Benjamin King
Yep, and still less than 3.5% of our GDP, which is the relevant figure when it comes to sustainability. As it turns out, America has a lot of money or something like that.
Parker Robinson
F-35 is the best fighter jet in the world and will be for at least 15-20 years. Deal with it
Nolan Campbell
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Adam Ramirez
>everyone wants You say it like there are no butthurt economic and real political ramifications for cashcow clients for refusing to buy the latest iPod-35 at absurd upprices and in "packages" with shit no one wants as the Israel deal shows, that exceed costs of anything "actuealllay the price gun down according to estimates of fags like me" Muttnigs keep repeating like a broken record
Kevin Barnes
>and is at worst only slightly more advanced than the J-20 Not trying to shit on you but you really need to look into the avionics suite and sensor fusion the Lightning has. The Marines used it to control a HIMARS launcher, and it can detect ATGM launches on the battlefield. This thing is going to be a gamechanger for everybody, not just the air units.
Dominic Rodriguez
Is the range 670 with a combat load?
Ian Morales
And who else is using the catapult version under discussion?
Isaac White
POGO is not a congressional report.
Jaxon Ramirez
I just didn't want to sound too jingoistic, and was trying to sound fair. But yeah, the sensor capabilities are gonna blow everything else out of the water.
Zachary Perez
Yes. It's referring to combat radius, so that would imply weapons carriage.
Josiah Roberts
Imagine still damage controlling for F-35 in 2019 No, that's only objectively true for F-22, F-35 is clearly not sufficient to handle even the current chinkslav shit, it's gonna end in a huge fucking mess one day. Yeah, thanks for ruining USAF, Lockmart shills. Good fucking job, assholes.
Ian Brooks
>So what now?
It's almost like they completely ignored the Navy developing stealth drone tankers for this exact issue just so they can publicly shit on the F-35 again.
Parker Campbell
>F-35 is clearly not sufficient to handle even the current chinkslav shit Red Flag would say otherwise.
That is the discretionary budget, you tick turd, not the budget.
Brayden Johnson
>f-35 good >t. mutts
ohh yes such a trustworthy nation
Colton Price
>stealth is shit >still try to develop stealth aircraft Chinks and Slavs are retarded.
Levi Butler
That was an Italian, dumbass. Maybe if your third-world tier education taught reading comprehension, life wouldn't be so hard in whatever shithole you come from.
Austin Adams
muh chink spam kys
Aaron Campbell
VLO is retarded, LO is not. Learn the difference.
You only need VLO if you're trying to drop dumb free fall bombs.
>The Chinese super J-20 will have enough stealth to get into range citation needed
Luke Peterson
uh oh. wrong
Nolan Lopez
>this plane i shit >but these guys Im butthurt about have planes too!!! Niggers are retarded
Jaxon Jones
You do seem butthurt that Americans have the F-35.
Lucas Mitchell
Allow me to translate for those of you that don't speak congressnese >Mr. Congressman, our planes need more range or China will destroy us! >Luckily we're developing VLO tankers that can remedy this problem! >All you have to do is drum up support for this program and you'll have tons of new jobs in your district. I mean fuck guys, if it was really an issue then they're pursue the external fuel tanks that were researched years ago. It's clearly not that big of a concern.
1. learn what the difference between discretionary and non-discretionary spending is 2. the characteristics of the US budget are muddled by the fact we have a significant amount of spending occurring at the state and local levels, which amounts to $3 trillion. The federal government has limited responsibility and maintenance of a capable military is its most important one after interfacing with foreign governments. You retards could use some more civics in high school
>Russian jets will kill a F-35 in one on one combat
yeah because pilots totally just fly around on their own. The navy and air force totally arent structured on wingmen and shit
Kevin Robinson
Setting aside than an F-35 would hold its own.
Hudson Walker
silly argument
Caleb Edwards
I wonder how much extra range the F-35 would get out of drop tanks, it is plumbed for them afaik.
Luke Myers
Only if the F-35 is in the parking lot of an air show.
Ayden Ross
About 4800 liters of extra fuel could be carried, enough for ~1800 kilometer combat radius, but would pack the wing pylons full and leave just the internal bay.
>butthurt "u butthurt!" screeching when his strawman is taken appart I have seen smarter acting bots
Henry Reyes
this is an english lang board, chink. gtfo.
Cameron Johnson
>F-35C >19,624 lbs of fuel >1241km combat radius >Bad range
>F/A-18E >14,700 lbs of fuel >722 km combat radius >Good
Brandon Moore
Russian Flankers only record thus far are at air shows.
India is too scared to have them shot down by Pakis to really use them as much as they should be.
Zachary Murphy
Why do we measure distance in km but the weight of fuel in pounds?
Xavier Thomas
Aviation usually uses nmi
Ryder Gonzalez
lmao op, you realize this is how funding gets secured to start new plane programs? Why do you think Boeing bought Aurora, to waste money?
Drones are the future
Jose Rivera
>and the navy should build some kind of carrier-launched tanker
>Start out planning to build high-end strike platform >end up with robotic jerry can Yeah really glad with the way things went.
Ethan Thomas
Only guy here who gets it.
Blake Brown
Fuel weight is pretty standard for US aviation. Even jet aircraft fuel quantity is measured in pounds and not gallons or liters. 6.7 lbs for Jet A. Km is not a American aviation standard. It's probably written like that for international readers. Personally I always measured range in time. As a crew chief, people would always ask me what the range was, I always replied with 7.5 hours at 120 KIAS. Range changes with wind and weather.
Nicholas Diaz
>I always replied with 7.5 hours at 120 KIAS. is that for fighter jets or transport planes?
Isaiah Harris
what was that again cant turn cant climb cant run?
Does the navy even operate carrier tankers capable of refueling F--35s?
Jace Sanders
Hornets with buddy refueling tanks
Liam Rodriguez
>You only need VLO if you're trying to drop dumb free fall bombs.
The power needed for radar burn through for jammers increases proportionally with RCS. The F-35 is a SEAD god.
Elijah Ross
Don't F-35s use boom refueling?
Angel Ross
>So what now? Nothing. The F-35 was from ground up designed to be LO. Just like aircraft, SAM and ASM groups do not fire their missiles at max range. The whole point of LO technology is to perform deep-strikes into hostile territory. The "problem" that is apparently brought up in this report is the very mission the F-35 was designed to tackle. It also completely ignores the ASuW missiles the US uses and will use in the future. There is no "problem" with the aircraft itself.
