Russian 3M22 Zircon Hypersonic missile

it's impossible to hit another missile at these speeds.

Wrong, that missile has hit a target going 5 times as fast.

Realistically, how do you stop one after it's launch?

It isn't really the speed that's important, so much as the predictability of the flight path.

Imagine a train going at mach 5. You might not have fast enough reflexes to hit it, but you can almost certainly put something in its path, because as long as you know where it's going to go, you have plenty of time to do so.

So we can't really say how dangerous the zircon will be to missile defense systems until we figure out how good it is at maneuvering and evading countermeasures.

If it's quasi ballistic it would be an sm-3, if its low altitude an Sm-6.

One must also remember that interceptors are getting more maneuverable too.

Do they have enough speed to stop it?

Yes.

>recolored X-51

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It clearly isn't even the same shape

You can't. Unless the glowies with black budgets have some secret shit with lasers there's no stopping this. You cannot effectively intercept these, they couldn't do it with high success rates previously and they definitely can't do it now that they fly at fuck you speed.

i send hypernigger missles back

You dont need to. The same way we still cant stop ICBM's. You just build your own and let them know if they launch then we launch.

>The same way we still cant stop ICBM's

But that's wrong.

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>You may get us with one, but we'll get anyone who has ever had your name on their lips. And their dog.
*freedom intensifies*

nonsense.

You don't realize how fast long range ballistic missiles are on reentry huh?

>How do you defend against that??
Nibba we got nukes in metal containers stacked on boats parked in harbors.

He's a ruski troll. He has the equivalent of an 8th grade education.

Aim in front of it.

with a known trajectory which means jackshit.

predicting the flight path of a ballistic missile is easy

>2 miles per second
Where's the manned version?

All 3 missile pictures look completely different from one another, fuck off.

turns out supersonic fighters and bombers with the global logistics to use them is gonna make sure nothing like this works out very well for anyone trying something

Maneuverability has direct tradeoffs against speed too. A subsonic missile can pull tighter turns faster than a supersonic, and is more stable throughout.

No that's just an artist copy of the wave rider.

There's a video of a Moskit anti ship missile doing terminal maneuvers using lateral thrusters.

"Hypersonic Missile" Sounds like a GX move

Is this Zircon? Can't read Cyrillic so I can't tell. But after doing lots of searches, I think this might be it.
Also, I'm pretty sure Zircon pics don't exist. Especially the ones without the cowling.

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There are no photos of it. It's a propaganda paper tiger. Best you're going to get are mock ups drawings and maybe a prototype.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_gap

>It's a propaganda paper tiger
shut up nigger. US has been tracking test launches since 2012.

cnbc.com/2018/12/20/russia-tests-hypersonic-missile-that-could-be-ready-for-war-by-2022.html

>according to two people with direct knowledge of a U.S. intelligence report.
Cool anonymous sources vlad

sources are US intelligence. learn to read.

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I thought nonsense posting was a hallmark of the fifty cent brigade.

>Russia has conducted another successful test of its ship-based hypersonic missile, a weapon the United States is currently unable to defend against, according to two people with direct knowledge of a U.S. intelligence report.
It's from an anonymous source with claims of seeing an intelligence report. I think you need to better your reading comprehension and maybe come up with an insult besides nigger

Desperately trying to reacquire target lock, you mean.

Automated SSDS identifies the missile and blinds the terminal guidance sensors using the technical data you bought from Russians for less then the price of a Toyota Corolla and the missile crashes into the sea.

People on the internet claim the missile was a monkey model and not representative of the capabilities of True Russia.

>thinking the 10 trillion dollars they've sunk into black projects doesn't have tech that tops this.

Plenty of theory, but have we ever had a successful intercept from an unexpected launch?

nope

Nuclear retaliation on anyone who uses it against you or your allies.

It's conventional weapon, you moron.

Lol

Absolutely SEETHING

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>tfw when you got a big red button
>tfw and yours actually works

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I fucking love missiles

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This. Just a longer thinner threat tube. Populate the threat tube with enough fragments, simple geometry. CIWS might have to become more missiley because of the ranges involved.

Also softkill will have to ramp faster and earlier.

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SM-3 is an anti-ballistic missile, retard, it exists solely for exoatmospheric interception. It wouldn't intercept even a Harpoon missile even if it wanted to.

Nope

Which is why there’s the SM-6.

US doctrine allows the use of nuclear weapons as response to overwhelming conventional attack.
the real question is if russia could muster something that could be described as an overwhelming conventional attack

Odd they would use ts when they have a z. Ц vs з.

>and as a 60% chance of intercept
Nice to watch, but attempting to hit an ICBM in the terminal phase of flight is just wasting money.

>he doesn't know

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Not true, strictly scientifically speaking the Sm-3 does not actually exit the atmosphere. That's irrelevant though, as the zircon is not going that fast at low altitude.

What? 60% chance of intercept on an ICBM is quite good. The value doesn’t necessarily come from actually stopping the warhead as it does from forcing your opponent to spend 2 warheads where he would normally spend one.

>defend?
You don't. Build your own and point it back at them.
>then wat do?
Wait for the tech to be commercialized and use it as a LEO small payload first stage.

SM-6 is an overpriced as hell ordinary Mach 3 SAM.
Bullshit semantics, strictly speaking Apollo moon landing missions didn't leave Earth's atmosphere either.
esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Earth_s_atmosphere_stretches_out_to_the_Moon_and_beyond
You know perfectly well what I mean.

Well, despite being overpriced, it seems to be effective enough to meet the Navy’s requirements. The US isn’t exactly lacking in anti-missile capability compared to other powers.

>60% chance of intercept on an ICBM is quite good
And is completely made up. The best an ABM system can do nowadays is intercepting a couple heavy ICBMs like MX by nuking them. The best a non-nuclear ABM can do nowadays is maybe probably if the stars are right intercepting an IRBM like Hera.

>it seems to be effective enough to meet the Navy’s requirements
What do these requirements have to do with hypersonic anti-ship missiles? SM-6 is an ordinary SAM far from being the best or the most cost effective one that is designed to target aircraft and ordinary anti-ship missiles like Harpoon and maybe some tactical ballistic missiles like Scud or Tochka.

>it hasn't been done in a nuclear war so it can't be done

bruh

Name a SAM you think is better than an SM-6.

>it hasn't been done in a nuclear war so it can't be done
It hasn't even been done in a test. The best they US has is GBI intercepting Hera IRBM with what chance? Remind me, something like 34%?

>a SAM you think is better than an SM-6
This has nothing to do with what I think, it factually is better.

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Except it isn't.

A decent sized nuclear explosion in its path

It's like nukes you cant really use it because you will just get bombed right back

Cant really win a war with this unless you have a huge tech advantage over enemies

Yes it is.

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>you will just get bombed right back
Good luck bombing anything that is not bare-footed towelhead goat herders with AK-74s at best.

You mean GMD, which has has 29 successful intercepts out of 42 tests when you include all the early failures.

Well, there currently are no nuclear ABM programs run by the US, so their effectiveness or radar-blinding lack thereof is irrelevant. Likely the most effective currently deployed system is GMD, which intercepts the warheads (or ideally the ICBM bus) in the midcourse coast phase in space. The current plan for use against a potential adversary is 2 interceptors per incoming target. There are way too few to be an issue for Russia, but it does negate the threat of North Korea to some extent. Terminal defense can be effective against non-maneuvering targets, and its primary role would to increase the attack cost necessary for any hardened target like a silo.

Your opinion is noted, perhaps try making an argument why it is better?

What? The US is pretty much king when it comes to penetrating contested air space. Not to say it would be easy, but if any force can bomb near-peer level enemies, it’s the USAF.

You mean 28 successful _tests_, the last of which failed and none of which represented the latest intercept vehicle configuration that is only planned to be maybe deployed on maybe like 3-5 missiles of them all at best. Are we still talking about successfully intercepting re-entering ICBM warheads in a test using a conventional warhead?

>there currently are no nuclear ABM programs run by the US
What makes you think I was talking about the US. The best ABM system is Russian.

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>GMD, which intercepts the warheads (or ideally the ICBM bus)
Except it has only ever intercepted IRBMs. That is when it didn't fail.

You quickly scanned the chart on the wikipedia article without actually reading it didn't you.

Of course he did.

>Your opinion is noted
Too bad, you should've noted the simple fact that S-400 is better.

The one that can only defend Moscow and will irradiate it in the process?

>if any force can bomb near-peer level enemies, it’s the USAF
Then why did it only ever attack enemies that were relying on obsolete technology and the only moment in history when the US tried to bomb someone with relatively modern air defenses it lost 10000 aircraft and a war?

u cant

>only 2 miles per second

LOL'd!

>A Mach 20 hypersonic weapon travels at a blistering 15,340 miles an hour, fast enough to go from Portland, Oregon to Portland, Maine in just over ten minutes. That gives the enemy very little time to detect, track, and shoot the weapon down.

US missile tech companies wipe the floor with their russian counterparts. This is what happens when you live in a poor 3rd world country instead of west.

popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a22791042/the-first-us-hypersonic-weapons-arrow-and-hacksaw/

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Can you make a comparison instead of repeating your opinion?

Nuclear ABM is generally a poor idea, which is why the US abandoned it in the 70s. It blinds literally every sensor looking in that general direction, produces a high altitude EMP which further fucks with interception electronics, and if it turns out that the target wasn’t a nuclear warhead, you’ve just detonated a nuke over your territory for no reason. Missile defense isn’t about being perfect, it’s about forcing the enemy to spend a higher amount of warheads on more vital targets, effectively reducing the total number of warheads in play.

Lol, better to defend Moscow region than to have no defense against ICBMs whatsoever, like the US of A.

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Iraq has the most advanced ADS in the world outside of Russia during Desert Storm, and it was gone within a night. SAMs are good at forcing an enemy to avoid certain areas, but they can’t deny access entirely.