Camouflage

You know the main idea of camo is to disrupt the shape and not be a 1:1 match of the area it's in right?

During a close in dogfight, losing visual on an opponent is how you die. If the camo can make you lose visual for even a moment, it's done its job.

I tried to explain. He isn't getting it.

Pretty much anyone who asks "why is this camo ______?" Doesn't understand that.

they should paint it sky blue

Sure, I just figured high speeds would fuck with the pattern somehow, and that something running length-wise along the jet would therefore make more sense, but again, I know jack shit, so meh
It being used primarily for when it's closer to the ground or landed as other anons have suggested makes moire sense, anyhow.

lol

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we must abandon this age of RAM degeneracy

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And in reality russians are smuggling cheese into Russia to bypass sanctions, because no one wants to eat that fake palm fat shit they got there.

Underatedddd

>why
Customer defines what livery they want.
This Su happened to be Indonesian order. Hence Indonesia wanted this "camo". Why does United wear white while Southwest wears blue-red-yellow? Corporate identity and all that BS. Same shit

pretty aesthetic

ikr, fuck i want one

Also Vietcong's jungle camo

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*I want to fuck one

Its mostly for ground camo or to make quick visual identification harder. Gotta paint it anyways, may as well do it in something that may help, even if slightly.

>why

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If there's a decent chance it could grant that critical edge during combat, why not?

becuase

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You can see here how camo works.

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OP BTFO!

It's a classic.

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Not OP but that's real fuckin cool

>the virgin flight vs the chad intimidation ram

I think that's a standard procedure in the air, no?

That's an awesome video to show it, thanks user

This is a recorded video with contrast and color degradation and not at all how a human eye perceives aircraft in the air, you fucking idiot.

If you are the escort for a "lower" state official then yes. If it happens to be the president on board, actual weapons lock on will probably used that day.

>You know the main idea of camo is to disrupt the shape
Not that guy and I'm kind of a brainlet in military affairs, but what's the utility in disrupting the shape if you can still see the general location??

THE AIRFIELD IS RIGHT THERE
BOMB IT

Israeli camo is most aesthetic

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How beta do you need to be to give in?

I like it more when they do this.

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If your opponent cannot discern the exact identity of your asset it will be harder for him to make an informed response.
Having instead to guess about what he is facing, which may lead to mistakes on his part and his defeat.

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LMAO I forgot that sanctions turned cheese into something thats now smuggled into Russia

So basically it's not about whether or not the enemy knows that there's a plane there, but what kind of plane (fighter, bomber et cetera), right?

camouflage is a meme, except maybe for very specific scenarios involving the element of surprise, and even then you are probably toast after the first muzzle flash in your vicinity.

people attack percieved movement or environmental inconsistencies under stress. camo doesn't change either of those. it's there for identification, morale and pagentry only.

Airfields then to be fuckhuge areas . So if bombing run misses the planes due to the camo then the camo has served it's purpose. Often enough planes are even scattered all around the airfield aswell so you might not even get all of them in one go. And staying for long is rather dangerous as most military airfields have high concentrations of anti-aircraft weaponry stationed on or near them.

How is spaceship camo going to be like?

Chrome.

>camo

The name of the game is making your might highly visible and intimidating.

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Well, if and when space combat occurs, I assume it will be rare and over really quickly because how how hilariously expensive and fragile each ship will be, so for the most part I doubt there'd be much resistance - if a side realized it was the weakest it'd probably instantly surrender, similar to how most ships didn't really resist pirates. So I guess trying to look scary is valid.

Says the guy who clearly knows jack and shit about air combat.

Its rad as fuck, I miss it when jets had camo

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if you dont want to be rammed and ending up in the ocean then yes

There always has to be this type of faggot

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Honestly, they should paint all CAS aircraft with cool decals and do low/slow flybys and sick barrel rolls for the morale boost.

If were going on the rule of cool all planes should be chrome.

God I wish

>It takes a strong man to deny what's right before his eyes
I think they were trying to tell us something there.

dazzle painting, google it

look at numbers of jets destroyed on the ground versus jets destroyed in the air and you might understand

The US won the dive bomber war in the Pacific purely thanks to the Japs misjudging the position of the carrier fleet and getting baited to chase torpedo bombers while Dauntless made his move. The Japanese did know US carriers were present, but they misjudged their position by a hundred miles, and were in fact in range of a pincer raid instead of sitting outside of range, just at the edge their (longer) engagement range.

On individual ships, dazzle was employed to confuse submarine crews about the precise heading of a ship, with the intent to either slow down the aiming process, or get them to miss outright.

And on the ground, forest cam with a bit of fake foliage is just a bitch to find unless you know specifically what shape you're looking for.

tl;dr camo is not about disappearing from plain sight, but to make identifying and tracking threats harder under battle stress, so that a camouflaged force can close the distance while you're preoccupied with something else

Wow.. an entire airstrip that's camouflaged up, and it works pretty good besides those BRIGHT ORANGE fuel trucks.

Wat

>can still see grey Eagle far away
>can't see sky Su easily at same distance

That's cool

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When an Indian MiG-21 nails the dirt, it that counted as “destroyed on ground” or “destroyed in air"?

metro.co.uk/2017/08/10/smuggler-caught-at-russian-border-with-100kg-of-illicit-cheese-6843761/
It ain't just vodka and krokodil that Russians are "fond" of.

it counts as fertilizer

If you have enemy jets aready over your airfield youre fucked. Camo isn't going to help.

If you have durkhas scoping out the field from a distance camo will help disguise the aircraft and make it harder to spot.

Camo doesn't help in air to air combat anymore. Anyone who thinks it does is a brainlet still living in the 1950s

so that we don't bomb it while its on the ground

The Russians buy literally shopping carts full of cheese from Finnish supermarkets..

Got to paint it anyways, why not paint it camo

Someone who states basic common sense?

A E S T H E T I C S

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>It takes a strong man to deny what's right before his eyes

Based and Colonel Konrad pilled

You might not want any camo if you're closer than the orbit of Mars to the sun, heat rejection is a pretty serious requirement in space and low-albedo (light absorbing/black) coatings will soak in more heat than high-albedo (light reflecting/white). This is why most space tech is white regardless of what country it comes from, most of the time you want it to be reflecting as much heat off of itself as possible. You can do this experiment yourself by taking two cardboard tubes painting one black and one white then leaving them in the sun for a few hours, come back and use a thermometer to measure their surface temperature and the temperature of the air inside them and you'll find the black one to be significantly hotter both outside and in. This effect is magnified greatly in space because there's very little conduction in vacuum so you can only reject heat by radiating it away, dark colored objects will get significantly hotter significantly faster. In the end trying to color your ship black to make it more difficult to detect might cause more problems than it's worth, especially since so many other things can easily give you away in space like the ambient temperature of your ship, any firing of any kind of thruster creating plumes of exhaust gas, the thermal bloom of your heat rejection equipment, etc.

Cold War aircraft were often painted anti-flash white to reduce damage from nuclear explosions for this reason

believe it or not most planes spend a majority of thier life on the ground

Not that guy and not denying value of cammo, but he is right. You can zoom in in and see that plane become literally invisible with some black parts in it's corners, because that's just how video compression works.

It was Indian so it was already doomed the instant it entered service, it just didn't know it yet.
The question was just what the half-time of decay is unknown.

But Indian ground is already over fertilized most of the time

Russians can't into camouflage.

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Looks like a beautiful couple. I hope they have many children.