>guns destroyed this form of combat
feels bad
Guns destroyed this form of combat
Isaiah Lewis
Other urls found in this thread:
youtube.com
youtube.com
twitter.com
Josiah Thomas
>>guns destroyed this form of combat
If you prefer to die a slow death from arrow wounds and subsequent infection from same, consider yourself free to poke yourself with sharp objects until you expire.
Owen Lee
Massed missile troop formations and effective light cavalry doctrine is what killed that style of warfare, user.
Nicholas Anderson
What sort of logic is this?
Feel free to shoot yourself with a gun then.
John Garcia
Nah. It was guns.
Romanov Russia and Qing China went to the steppes with a fuckton of muskets and horseniggers finally got what they deserved after millenia of niggerous actions against settled people.
Kevin Sullivan
t. rapebaby
Jacob Robinson
See
>Massed missile troop formations
Would have worked just as well if they'd all had crossbows instead of matchlocks. Horse archers are big targets with relatively short range weapons. The only thing you need in addition is your own light cavalry to keep up with them.
Christopher Miller
If you don't like the mongols then you can't possibly be Jow Forums
What is more Jow Forums than a bunch of fucks tearing ass from coast to coast and being good at nothing more than tactics, shooting, and killing. It's the fuckin dream.
Nicholas Cooper
>mongol composite bow
>short range
nigger, what nonsense are you talking
also a mongol horde army had 4 mounts for each man, you can't chase them down. They could literally ride for 300 miles, draw away your cavalry and slaughter them, then come back and envelop your remaining army in 5 days.
Lucas Hernandez
Even Mongolian children are more Jow Forums than the average lurker on this board
Xavier Gonzalez
No. Speed of projectile is a thing.
Im not saying crossbows arent fast but over large distances, aiming at full gallop horse this shit mattered.
Carter Hill
>Would have worked just as well if they'd all had crossbows
Nope.jpg
The Chinese did that and it was a hit or miss. Some campaigns they succeeded. Some they didn't.
When they went up to Mongolia with muskets and artillery, they finally conquered the place. Guns were special in their role in ending Steppenigger menace largely because they outranged any bow-type weapon in addition to being deadly as fuck once a bullet hits the target.
Chinks even had these large caliber muskets which was a a halfway artillery piece that can provide long range fire on a quicker notice than a cannon.
t. John Green
Benjamin Long
>Mongke khan and his soldiers eats Han Chinkoids alive 1253 AD, colourised
John Roberts
not so much guns, as it is artillery
Henry Perez
Tell that to a shitload of native Americans
Logan Johnson
Native Americans use guns more than whites do.
Jack Allen
>If you prefer to die a slow death from arrow wounds and subsequent infection
Not like guns were any different in that department.
Jacob White
that looks gay af lol
Chase Powell
I guess there's a certain romantic notion of training a portion of your life in order to use a warbow AND ride a horse.
Jace Walker
>that looks gay af lol
Carson Nelson
>being this upset
your tears are delicious Achmed
Oliver Diaz
Nah, Heav Cavalry and pikemen with plate armor did.
Jeremiah Martin
You wot mate?
Ethan Nelson
How did guns stop us from us from shooting from horseback?
Why the fuck did the military not keep horses in the first place?
Jace Stewart
actually this, desu
Tyler Wright
>Thread pic can only be described as Islamic
Yikes! The education system has failed! Many cultures employed horse archery.
Adrian Edwards
>romantic notions about horses
weirdo
Jackson Gomez
Isaiah Gray
Fucking horse-sand niggers
Jaxson Martinez
Because a horse is a giant fucking target and you can't reload a musket on top of you you retard.
Christian Wood
Piss bottle?
Chase Green
>dirty steppe nigger coward tactics no longer effective
feels good
Mason Cook
And thats a good thing
Brayden Ortiz
u mad?
Jeremiah Ortiz
Muskets, especially matchlocks, were shitty weapons compared to the bow. Bows could shoot faster and more accurate over the same range. The only way they would have won is by outnumbering them.
Ayden Sanders
It's an Estus Flask, nigga
Oliver Miller
>largest empire in the history of man
You gotta give them some credit dude
Gavin Jones
Cavalry combat is alive and well.
Aaron Bell
>"Massed"
Get charged/feinted by a large group of mounted archers, spray hundreds/thousands of bolts/bullets in their general direction as they approach.
Infantry are by default cheaper and more easily trained than cavalry so you can have more of them, protect your "Massed" missile troops from being overrun or run down with a relatively thin line of Pikemen, another cheap, mass production weapon/troop type.
You now have "Pike and Shot" aka the formula of combat that ended the domination of cavalry in warfare worldwide from about 1300 to about 1700 when guns became small, light, simple and cheap enough to affix a bayonet and replace the pike completely in the formation, leading to line warfare, "Fire and Movement" and the idea of "Cold Steel and Courage" which itself dominated warfare for a further 200 years until the invention of the machine gun, I think you can probably fill in the rest from there.
Matthew Roberts
They might paint horses on their tanks but they don't really do what cavalry did. If anything what the 1st Recon Battalion marines did in the 2003 Iraq "Generation Kill" story was act as cavalry.
Air Cav, both in the Air Assault/Air Mobile role and in Helicopter Gunship/Scout roles act as cavalry.
Tanks and IFVs todays are basically mobile heavy weapons/fire support and they're both so vulnerable and so valuable that they can't fulfill the traditional shock, recon and flanking roles of cavalry, they cost too much for it and their too easily knocked out by ambush or close quarters infantry, Ze Germans treated tanks like Cavalry on the eastern front a lot, using them as shock forces to punch holes and overmatch entrenched infantry and it cost them a shitload of tanks.
They fancy themselves as Modern Knights but they get fucked up when they push into the sort of close combat that knights and even light cavalry dominated.
Justin Hernandez
Muskets don’t out range bows, and guns wouldn’t until rifles became common. Why do you think line formations were so common with musket warfare? They were inaccurate and required volleys to be effective. What muskets did is give any faggot the ability to kill at range without any training. You can field thousands more of random peasants who point and shoot than you could professionals.
Oliver Scott
But they didn't though. Most combat between the US Army and Indians was exactly this.
Julian Hall
>impllying iron horses arent the future
Cooper Miller
Elijah King
It's odd, you would think that, but it was guns that decisively ended the horse archer menace. Almost seemingly overnight in historical terms, they went from nightmarish raiders to militarily impotent. This is from both ends of the steppe.
Grayson Cook
Have you ever even rode a horse?
Chase Watson
Didn't the entire empire collapse by the time it reached that size?
I'm pretty sure Genghis had died and his son was forced into taking china?
Bentley Barnes
>massive internal bleeding from rock or shot passing through flesh and pulverizing bone
>hydrostatic shock at impact site
>extreme blood loss from exit wound
literally superior to the arrow in every way considering it fucks your body up a thousand times worse.
T. Archery fag who used to spam his shitty browning compound bow here before he was hasgunz
Nicholas Edwards
holy shit he mad
Cooper King
>hydrostatic shock
You're probably thinking of wound cavitation. I hope.
Oliver Watson
You're confusing hydrostatic shock with hydraulic shock. They're both real.
Jordan Rogers
>The lance is dead
>The sabre is dead
>The horse has been put to pasture
Modern warfare is the big gay.
Thomas Long
>Didn't the entire empire collapse by the time it reached that size?
It fragmented, yes. The map includes the Timurid domains, which were an illegitimate branch of the Chagatai Khanate but took over the lands of most of former Ilkhanate(and attacked the Golden Horde of Toktamysh, just for more inter-Mongol fun). The Mongol Ulus was broken apart long before Timur came along.
Luke Edwards
no, I'm not. I'm a 4n0 in the air force, not just using scary sounding words here to make guns sound cooler than arrows
Anthony Reyes
Thanks for the clarification user
Also thanks for the history lesson regarding the Timurid domains
Owen Martinez
Break the word down and you'll understand that the wound cavity is caused by it.
Camden Garcia
Also, the Seljuks were only nominal vassals of the Ulus, so including them is a bit fantastic. If the mapmaker really wanted to go crazy they could have thrown in Mughal India as well, since the Baburid line was supposedly of Timurid descent. Nevermind that by now you are talking about Persianized Turks for many generations, not actual Mongols.
Jeremiah Perry
this
Michael Price
>Muskets don’t out range bows, and guns wouldn’t until rifles became common. Why do you think line formations were so common with musket warfare? They were inaccurate and required volleys to be effective. What muskets did is give any faggot the ability to kill at range without any training. You can field thousands more of random peasants who point and shoot than you could professionals.
Go to /his/ with this statements. I dare you.
Muskets outranged bows. ESPECIALLY the small affairs the Steppeniggers carried about them.
An big arrow propelled by elastic kinetic energy is more subject to the effects of wind & shiet than a small metal ball propelled by explosives.
Liam Reed
Pikemen had little to do with the suppression of the Steppes by Russians & Chineses.
James Roberts
Guns made incels possible!
Isaiah Russell
>Gets shattered before coming in bow-range
Henry Johnson
Easton Turner
>China
Didn't they get conquered and ruled over by a horseback based culture (Manchu) till the 20th century?