Armed population can overthrow the sta-

This. Collectivos are the only "civilians" with widespread firearm access in the country. Even if the regular population could legally have weapons, I doubt they could afford them at this point.

>amp.dailycaller.com/2019/04/30/venezuela-gun-ban-regret-maduro
>bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430
You're either stupid, a liar, or fishing for (you)s.

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They don't have any interest in replacing maduro with someone better just someone who will fall in line with their interests

Kind of hard to get worse than maduro

Do you want to be paid in yuan, rubles or food?

I mean, things were way better when they were a US-backed state than they are now. Pissing off the only major power in the region has consequences. That, and using all the oil money for handouts tends to allow the infrastructure to fall into disrepair and scares the educated professionals out of the country.

Lol... the irony

Venezuela is a bad example. the guns held by "citizens" are actually owned by militias or collectivos, both of which are have allegiances to the Maduro government. on top of that, a very large portion (if not a majority) of people in Venezuela are loyal to the Maduro/Chavez regime.

Libya and Arab countries are better examples. as soon as a decent opportunity presented itself, Libya and a bunch of other MENA countries went into a full on revolt against their dictators. and you'd be surprised that most Arabs tend to have shit tons of weapons.

fuck off back to ShareBlue you tranny.

>a very large portion (if not a majority) of people in Venezuela are loyal to the Maduro/Chavez regime
There's definitely a stronger contingent of regime supporters than in your coup, but I don't think anyone outside of the AOC crowd is claiming that they're the majority.

Gaddaffi was winning in Libya until the airstrikes went in. And right now the FSA is getting pushed.

I disagree with OP. Its fucking politics. If a "tyranny" has legitimacy, an armed citizenry would enforce it as much as they would revolt against a government without one.

Case in point: Mao's China. The fucking PLA was scared of peasant/student militia fanboys of Mao Zedong.

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If anything, it's a great argument as to why militias shouldn't be the only people to own firearms - the wider public should own them too

Fuck *than in your average coup*

>"the well-regulated militia is the National Guard"

>unarmed population
>getting fucking murdered in the streets by the government
Yeah not working in your favor, gun grabber faggot.
Perfect example of if you disarm yourselves your government will kill you.

This ain't Jow Forums buddy

No argument with the fact maduro is violating the Constitution but the us is taking advantage of an economic situation and engineering it to be worse

The police and the goverment fucks with you every day yet you do N O T H I N G

The US has only done two things: make twitter statements and send humanitarian aid, they don't NEED to do anything to make the situation worse because Venezuela has been in an economic social and political free fall since at least 2014.

Venezuelan officials have been blamming every single failure, obstacle or problem of the regime on the CIA for as long as the socialists have been in power, and at this point only the brainwashed retards in the colectivos believe them.

The police don't fuck with most people, and while Americans are generally unhappy with their government, so long as most people can afford a comfortable life, there won't be any incentive to do anything. Even when things got really bad in the 1930s, there was little desire to overthrow the government.

>what is crippling sanctions
Looks like you be the brainwashed retard

>a country that disapproves of other country decides to avoid commerce with them or drive tariffs up
>wtf why aren't you giving us the economic benefits of trade with you after we declared you a sworn enemy

They fuck with certain people. A lot of whom kill cops.
An armed citizenry is a double edged sword but well worth the price we pay in hoodlums and police.

The sanctions are on individuals within the Maduro regime, not the country as a whole. The only sanctions on industry started in 2017 in response to Maduro killing protestors. Venezuela was shit long before the US began sanctioning them. It's just been a talking point of communists in the regime and western countries to blame the entire collapse on US meddling instead of the poor management of their only major industry.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_during_the_Venezuelan_crisis

And place support behind a declared rival president and put sanctions on them and providing strategic support to the opposition

>And place support behind a declared rival president

You mean the constitutionally legitimate president, that they expressed support to via tweets?

>and put sanctions on them and providing strategic support to the opposition

You mean NOT selling them things from THEIR economic zone? And the humanitarian aid that the Venezuelan government burned down in their trucks?

The sanctions are not the cause of VZ's clusterfuck of an economy. See

No, the police fuck with y o u bc you’re parked in your mom’s station wagon behind shoprite smoking shitty weed that you hide in your chain wallet, and the manager called about the retarded youths.

I really hope you dont get your war

Fuck off commie bastard

We're not all slobbering idiots.

Brainwashed zogbot. Cant take your stock options with you war monger

Who's we? Because anyone blaming Venezuela on western sanctions has zero understanding of how the world works.

>Jow Forums
>bitching about war mongers
I think reddit might be more your speed.

I am not a war monger, i wish Maduro just stepped down peacefully and Venezuela returned to rule of law, constitutional order, freedom of speech and free markets, so it can be a prosperous and cosmopolitan country like it was in the 80s and 90s. The country that i visited once.

But he won't, because he's a communist and a Chinese stooge, and he'd rather starve and kill his people to the last than let go of power. There is no more arguments to be made.

It's already started

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Lol... isnt that a circle jerk, where everyone agrees?
Ironic

Those arms were given to chavistas who are pro-maduro. So you have venezuelan armed forces>national guard>civil police>chavistas>gangs>civilians.

Seriously, after the jews leave earth who will you blame for you still being a dumb ass?

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>Armed state knows what's best for us-
The notion that granting arms only to states can remove the criminal element is proved wrong once again. Its not politics, its the disparity between classes, bureaucracy, communications and hidden intentions, disparity which displays itself around the world.

Pic related, it's OP's urethra.

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Ok... humanitarian reasons. So if vz had no oil, would we even be having this conversation?

Lol I'll be fine. The bigger question is, who will tell you how and what to think?

If Venezuela had no oil the communists would have collapsed far earlier, Thus far it had only survived being the piggy bank of Cuba and yet another Belt and Road Initative testing ground for China. The regime banked all their policy in a constant flow of foreign money paid with oil.

If they had been smart they would have used all that prosperity to develop the local industry and diversify the country's economy like other countries did. But since they were communists and communists are fucking retarded, they used all that money for social programs that didn't accomplish anything but make the gibsmedat sectors of society more dependent, while also cannibalizing the high and middle class and destroying the local industry and economy by preventing competition, and all that government spending and price fixing lead to the million percent inflation they have now.

There was literally no fucking way Venezuela was ever going to survive it's own retarded, cancerous economic model. Neither the US nor anyone had to do anything to trash it, but now there's a humanitarian crisis with millions of refugees, actual famine and heavy risk of pandemics and violence spreading outwards, what choice do the American countries have but plug this disgusting, festering wound of a country?

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>not today cia
gtfo glownigger faggot mongoloid

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But the CIA is the ones giving weapons to the people in this case. Thank you based CIA.

>falling for the Venezuela meme

Yes, Keep watching cnn goy!

Most Venezuelans support madero its only the rich fucks who don’t thats why there is no large scale violence. Is because people are for the government large scale. No one is staving the US is not interested in oil.

There interested in oil and getting Venezuela back into US banks

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>A lot of whom kill cops.

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>supporting a communist shithole

> not interfering is support
good goy

Get a speeding ticket recently?

Those "fanboys" had Mao's blessing. Anybody who tried to rein them in risked having Mao order their arrest, so nobody did.

If they hadn't been protected by Mao, they certainly would have been accused of counter-revolutionary actions (always a good excuse) and crushed.

>What is the unorganized militia?

I hate to tell you this, but nobody even really *wants* VZ's oil anymore.

It's the thickest, dirtiest, hardest-to-refine gunk on the planet. US refiners spent a lot of money setting up their plants to be able to use it, because it was believed that it would eventually be the last reliable source of oil left.

And then shale happened. And shale is the exact opposite of VZ oil--it's the lightest, sweetest crude ever drilled. And now the US is so awash in it, that the refineries have tossed decades of work out the door and re-tooled to refine the cheap-to-buy, cheap-to-refine stuff coming out of Midland, which means there is very, very little demand for VZ oil from the US--and pretty much none from the rest of the world, because nobody else bothered to make the expensive modifications required to process it.

VZ oil is going to trade at a deficit to any benchmark out there for the foreseeable future. And that has nothing at all to do with sanctions. It's not even really Maduro's fault--but, what IS his (and Chavez even moreso) fault is the pillaging of PDVSA to pay off their buddies and bribe their supporters, when that money was desperately needed just to keep competitive in the oil market.

Yes, OP, you're absolutely correct.
We were delusional.
Thank you.

Would you like to stop by my place to pick up my now useless guns?

Its still a grassroots movement and a good example of how average armed plebs can push tyranny.

Lol is this bolton or pompeooo... give it up man... dc pollies could not give a fuck about Venezuelans. .. hell they couldnt give two shits about american citizens. Drop the bullshit.

>like, stop preserving the stability of your region maaaaan, just let your continent turn into Africa 2.0 lmao

>cognitive dissonance
Lol name one place america has stabilized. Libya,iraq,ghan? Fuck off lockheeb

The poor did elect Chavez.
Then he began fucking the nation, and Maduro intensified the pillaging, but once you vote in the Commies (aka socialists) they NEVER GIVE UP POWER.
Not peacefully.

They probably are the numeric majority or close to it. Chavistas are and always have been the poor masses. The opposition is mostly the middle class and elite.
That's just the way it is

>thinking the problem in venezuela is a lack of firearms and nothing else

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Germany.
Japan.
Korea.
Dominican Republic.
Grenada.
Lebanon.
Panama.
Kosovo.

Almost all of Western Europe following WWII, Japan, Korea, Panama.

I’m sure they’ll be plenty of a-holes like you standing on soap boxes telling everyone who they should blame next!

You’d think they’d use all that free communist labor to build their own refineries.
It’s just to bad they’ll have to let out all those bourgeoisie engineers and scientists they imprisoned to help.

They just need more time to make it perfect user.

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No

No. Objectively

This. Intervention works when the country is willing and the US commits to full reconstruction.

Or it's kept limited and with clear, short term objectives.

>grenada
good example actually.

>>grenada
granada i knew it looked weird.

Yep, which in Venezuela's case is the ousting of Maduro and the re-installation of the National Assembly. Should be short and sweet. JSOC can handle the few insurgents that'll be left afterwards.

>the pro-govt collectivos have nearly all the guns
I don't know what you want.

Literal retards.
>murca fuk yer

Seething chinkoid

Lol.... is this banter

Haha... murcan banter....
No war for you

>I have Venezuelan immigrants all over my neighborhood
Please tell me you live in some adjoining Latin American shithole. Please. I do not want these Commie-voting spic fucks coming up here and remembering everything and learning nothing. Fuck them.

No gtfo glownigger jew faggot

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>They can't sell oil to other countries
>What is Iran
>They can't import food
>To some of the most lush soil and land on Earth with year round growing season

Yeah no, certainly it can't be COMMUNISMS fault , surely it must be the filthy pig Westerners.

>Germany
Wrong
>Korea.
Wrong again
>Dominican Republic.
Still wrong
>Kosovo.
Hell no

Uh oh! Hey guys, we have another one of those sex pistol anarchy guys here!

Come on. This Guaido guy is a democratic socialist. He is absolutely the worse possible option to be leading a opposition but hey at least he has the "moral" high ground.

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The militia is the people.

Grassroots? It was pure astroturf--Mao was behind the whole thing, and used them to terrorize or destroy his opponents within the Party.

The fact that a few million other people got killed... well, this is Mao.