First Use of F-35s by the US

Umm... why are you such a Nazi, sweetie?

Making Russians seethe

lets not pretend anything here

we know f35 sucks big time at any comao situation and usa doesnt have any sort of big number of f22s to provide cover for them
they wont be using them unless they achieve air superiority thats the absolute truth
till that happens good old f15s and b2/b1 and shit will do the job

AE here, you're wrong. Sensor fusion, situational awareness, and stealth are more than just fancy buzz words, and the F-35 is providing capabilities in numbers that could only be dreamt of 2 decades ago.

>unless they achieve air superiority
That's literally been US strategy since Korea, and as a result, not a single American has been killed on the ground by enemy aircraft since the. The US maintains, by far, the largest most capable air force in the world, specifically because it plans its fights around achieving air dominance. The fact of the matter is that the USAF will not be failing at that task any time soon.

>Sensor fusion, situational awareness, and stealth

>sensor fusion
f35 STILL using link 16 just like every other aircraft you know it doesnt provide anything new on the battlefield even when back then they said that f35 will be the only aircraft capable of using JREAP...
which since we all know literally every aircraft and helos nowdays can

>situational awareness
i dont think you know much about anything you are talking about if you think S.A is something to be proud of...hmd's were commong to every aircraft well before f35 came to production

>stealth
again i was talking about COMAO f35 simply cannot carry enough bombs and missiles in order to achieve that without giving up its stealth with external pylons its either that or having escorts like they do in red flag
you cant have it both ways

>situational awareness

you mean the glorious demo video of the tracking system that showed a huge fuckig IR signature that space x rocket was? and to this day they still havent provide a single evidence on how it copes against actual planes?
not a great plan when you cant showcase your only really GOOD feature on something it will go against with

russias still mad they cant into stealth fighters without running out of money.

bring back the SU-47 i bet its cheap enough to mass produce now...

The way they've been using them in Red Flags over the past 2 years now has been as a SEAD platform carrying HARMs or SDBs in internal bays. According to the reports,not just Americans, but also Italian and Norwegian pilots, say that the F-35 is amazing. Numbers like 100 simulated S-300 sites destroyed versus not a single lock-on are being reported. You can claim that it's bias all you want, but not a single pilot has come out against it over the past few years. Like any US war, once air superiority is established, which it always will be, negating stealth by using external pylons is irrelevant.

I'm talking about every interview with pilots that's been floating around for years. They really like being able to see through the plane. The 2 consistent complaints are that the touch screen is hard to use when taxiing due to bouncy nose gear, and that 1 engine is somewhat anxiety-inducing for carrier-ops.

>pilots
the only competent exercise so far happened in greece and you can google about it to see what im talking about

f35 is shit on composite air ops without an escort italians refused to do a lot of scenarios involved them because greece didnt had any stealth fighter to provide cover
f35 simply cannot conduct any sort of comao ops without having extenral pylons for AA missiles or escorts to fend of the enemy fighters thats the point

eh user please keep track of the discussion
im talking about this
youtube.com/watch?v=IZrvAFRhQZc

thats their pr shit about eots

>Use stealth
>Hit ISIS
>Celebrate

Why?
Why not just use an A-10?

>Why not just use an A-10?
They could use Cessna-172's equipped with rockets, and it would do the job just as well.

>Be a 10 years older program
>Conduct your first air strike a year after a 10 years newer program
No wonder fatniks are so upset about Su-57.

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That's the question.

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Yeah, that video is obvious PR. When I was talking about situational awareness, I was referring to the pilot's accounts of how good it is compared to previous aircraft.

>More than what the Su-57s did.
That's actually less than Su-57 did. F-35 dropped some bombs. Su-57 dropped an internally carried cruise missile.

41343766
>Be Russian
>Promise super weapon that'll destroy all americanski aircraft
>Tech isn't too good, so can only build 4+ gen and not 5th like white countries and the Chinese
>Poor, so can only afford 12 of them
Such is life.

>4 Su-57s by 2020
How can the west even compete?

3, actually, one will get shot down by it's wingman in training like that MiG-31 last year.

>shot down by it's wingman in training like that MiG-31 last year
Literally never happened.

The f-35 was designed 30 years ago and hasn't changed since. Modern anti air and anti ship missile system have undergone numerous upgrades since the inception of the f-35 program and frankly, it's been hard pressed to keep up. The f-35b is a plane that cannot attack any country which uses coastal anti ship missiles, because the range of the f-35b is so short that its carrier must sail into the crosshairs to launch the plane.

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Sure thing. Also, Russia doesn't have a GDP smaller than a number of US states, and it's totally not experiencing an AIDs epidemic on par with Africa. Russia is also very respected and loved by the international community, especially their good friends on their western border.

How many F-22 did the US operate in 2000?

no this has nothing to do with s.a what so ever

we first saw that bullshit s.a on the su 35bm (the test bed plane)people couldnt believe that there is a radar that provides 360 coverage
somehow they do believe it now because..of reasons

>Sure thing
Good that you admit that literal gossips are not a legitimate source of information.

The AIDS problem in Russia is less than you might think.

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Well yeah if you ignore most of Africa.

Just curious, how many Su-57s are currently ordered in total?

That's worse than I thought. I wonder if its from gay sex or sharing needles?

>worse than I thought

It's not so bad. 33,000 people commit suicide in Japan every year, you know. Did you look at South Africa? Weeeeew.

Yeah, but for a country that really hates gays, they sure have a lot of aids. Maybe there's some projection involved there.

Interesting maths there

Yeah and I'm sure SA is just fabulous as fuck as well, with gay niggers constantly pozzing each other. HIV is easily transmitted during vaginal sex, you dumb fuck.

Repressed faggots make the biggest homophobes for some reason.

Yes and Russia has higher suicide rates than Japan too.

>less bad
>literally african
No wonder Hitler thought slavs needed to be gassed.

Gay sexers and heroin shooters will not be missed when they die from aids
I cant fathom why others dont see it that way
aids was invented in a lab to spread on niggers in africa to wipe them out because they bred out of control as would any animal that lives in a habitat where the evil white man fucks shit up for profit or sport
I dont see why is it wrong to try and wipe out junkies and faggots with a disease
Its too bad that the virus doesnt kill fast enough, a lot of problems would have been solved by now

They are less than any african country.

Come on guys. It’s a thread about a god damn plane, and all it’s become is vatniks and retards going at it. Why’s everyone so pissy today?

This but unironically. Detection technology and methods evolve much faster and have much more room for improvement than passive stealth for aircraft.

Why not? Be a shame to spend trillions on an army and not use it at all

Retard this is just the Air Force's first use of the F-35A. The joos and marines have been using F-35s in combat since last year.

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>currently ordered
This is not how Russian aircraft procurement works. They do not make one big order that lasts for several decades. They order relatively small batches one after another. Currently two aircraft are ordered, with contract for another 13 to be signed after they have been delivered.
How many F-22 did the US operate in 2000? Answer the question.

>Repressed faggots make the biggest homophobes for some reason.
Yeah, and repressed homophobes make the most fabulous LGBT activists. Faggot, please, take your rancid agenda elsewhere.

Polite reminder, that while Su-57 may launch some missiles, it doesn't have means of target detection and guidance integrated with said missiles. So while looking badass at doing so, Su-57 may be as well firing unguided rocket pods. Actually that would be preferable, as rockets are cheap and plenty, while missiles are costful. And Moscow has pretty little money to spare.

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>First flight 7 September 1997
>Introduction 15 December 2005
187 F-22 are now operational

The difference is that the US doesn't put ridiculous time frames on their tech, they also don't the world that their new aircraft "will be better than everything else" even when it doesn't work

There are even studies documenting this you retarded cumguzzling faggot. A common behaviour of repressed faggots is homophobia.

>YF-22 First flight 29 September 1990
>F-22 First flight 7 September 1997
>T-50 First flight 29 January 2010
>Su-57 First flight 6 August 2017
How many F-22 did the US operate in 2000? Answer the question.
>they also don't the world that their new aircraft "will be better than everything else" even when it doesn't work
Hahahah. Wait, you're serious? HAHAHAHAHAH!

>There are even studies documenting this
There are also "studies" "documenting" that sex is a social construct. Fuck off, faggot.

You unironically don't

>How many F-22 did the US operate in 2000? Answer the question.
I'm guessing that's classified
>Hahahah. Wait, you're serious? HAHAHAHAHAH!
Russians
>This new SU57 will be better than the F22 and F35

>burns up on takeoff
>they can't afford to order more than 12
>12 turns into 10
>10 turns into flyable prototypes
>and of those 10 russia can only afford 2
>2 prototypes that have only shown that it can cruise and nothing else
They did the same thing with the T14

>I'm guessing that's classified
How is it classified? Quit dodging the question and answer it.
Americans:
>This new F-35 will be better than anything else, ever
>Don't mind compressor blade cracks, strangled pilots, billions of lines of hindu code that we are yet to fix and 3 decades long development cycle, it's perfect I'm telling ya
And that's just one example. M1A3? It doesn't even exist yet. B-2? Got its first non-bomb armament in 2010s or whatever. F-15? Export failure. Fatnik, please.

Israel has already used F-35's to blow shit up in Syria. But Jow Forums will tell you that doesn't count because AD wasn't turned on/they fired standoff munitions/it was a holiday/etc

>Throughout the 2000s, the need for F-22s was debated, due to rising costs and the lack of relevant adversaries.
>Lack of relevant adversaries
wew
Also the F15 has never been shot down

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor

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>First Use of F-35s by the US
Not quite: It's the first use by the USAF.
USMC already used F-35s in Afghanistan in September last year

Why do you keep dodging the question? Answer it already. How many F-22 did the US operate in 2000?
>F15 has never been shot down
Lol.

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>haha I'll just discredit studies with retarded assumptions instead of looking them up
Do tell me why you disapprove of the methodology and why you think it gives false or biased results.

metro.co.uk/2011/03/22/us-f-15-jet-crashes-in-libya-but-plane-not-shot-down-allies-claim-645889/

we don't know how many the US operated in 2000 brainlet

This. B's had already broke their cherry. This time it was A's.

>we don't know
Cool story. So you refuse to answer the question. Then tell me, why do you find it appropriate to open your stinky trap commenting on Su-57 procurement if you are unaware of F-22 procurement or at this point procurement of any other 5th gen aircraft?
>"crashes"
Lol, sure, just like that Israeli F-16 "crashed" due to bird strike. Oh, wait, no, that was S-200. Please, spare me your natofaggot "never shot down" propaganda.
>17/18 January 1991: F-15E-46-MC, 88‑1689, c/n 1098/E073, of the 336th FS, 4th TFW, USAF, was shot down by anti-aircraft artillery on the first day of operation Desert Storm.[5][23][24]

>on Su-57 procurement if you are unaware of F-22 procurement or at this point procurement of any other 5th gen aircraft?
Because the F-22 and F-35 are operational and the SU-57 is not. And even if the SU-57 was operational, the Russian military couldn't afford it.

>F15 has never been shot down
Via air-to-air combat. They've been lost to ground fire. Russkies can get fucked, but let's stick to the facts.

F-22 was introduced 25 years after its prototype's first flight. It has been only 9 years since T-50's first flight, you absolute fucking idiot.

To own libs ebic time. Except when Trump wanted to withdraw from Syria

itt: vatnik cope

I feel comfy at the sole thought of decades and decades when F-35 gonna shit from high and mighty on everything Russsia may ever try to field.

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Fucking hell mates, cutting edge airframes take time to r&d, not exactly a state secret. Especially when your one rival has imploded.

>lack of relevant adversaries
That was just plain stupidity on the US military's part.

So many angry ivans lmao

You burgers WISH you were up against a meme testbed rather than another stealth fighter

>f35 STILL using link 16 just like every other aircraft
F-35 uses link 16 for legacy compatibility, and all link 16 is not created equal.

Bragging about shekels and peacetime economy aside, I'm pretty sure Su-57 has an AESA - a better version of the one the Egyptians are getting on their Su-35s.

>This is not how Russian aircraft procurement works. They do not make one big order that lasts for several decades.
Of course not, they coulden't pay for it after all, and their aerospace industry is better off being bailed out every few years by a new order rather than a big one that half the money will be mysteriously lost along the way due to corruption anyway.

>not realizing that in the age of quantum radar and super-advanced mobile SAMs that fighters on their own are completely worthless

This is why they bomb goatfuckers
If you tried to fight a real military with actual support these trillion dollar tin cans would drop like flies

The F35 is literally a make work project with parts porked into so many different bills that they're sourced from every state because every fucking senator stuck their fingers into the pie

It's a huge fucking meme that does nothing well, and only some things acceptably considering the huge amounts of resources poured into its R&D

Imagine spending over a trillion dollars on anything else and coming out with something that has VTOL worse than a British naval jet from 1967, has a tiny internal weapons bay making it a meme to use for """stealth""" CAS, and relies upon such a huge electronics suite to run every single function of itself that a single short somewhere in the 300 miles of wire (really!) means it will be grounded for weeks. Gotta have flappy bird on touchscreen for the zoomer pilots I guess

>If you tried to fight a real military with actual support these trillion dollar tin cans would drop like flies
Yes, but so would their enemies.
And since the US have hundreds of more 5th gen aircraft than any other nation on top of their already proven 4th generation fighters.
I don't think anyone is retarded enough to say that the US could take on any other nation and not take any losses, war simply doesn't work that way.
They would most likely do a better job of it than vodka niggers in neglected old Soviet leftovers, bugmen in copies of old Soviet leftovers or Alladin that traded his magic carpet for a hodge podge mix of antiquated Soviet and western designs from the 60s and 70s.

You dont NEED a huge military force to screw with us jets moron. The Serbs proved that plenty well. Mobile sams are more than enough

Mmmm, vatnik tears.

>using the F-117 incident
Ok retard

>anyone who doesn't jump on board muh military-industrial complex is a vatnik
kek, retard

>dropped some bombs on practically unarmed practically civilians maybe or maybe not hitting its target
congratulation on achieving the average perfomance of a biplane in the 40s. Hope it helps healing that butthurt from all its past failures Amerimutts

>inb4 seething mutt projection

Good to know that all the Russian military had done with their air force in the past 20 years could have been accomplished with biplanes.

He's actually right you know.

>The F35 is literally a make work project with parts porked into so many different bills that they're sourced from every state because every fucking senator stuck their fingers into the pie

>a big one that half the money will be mysteriously lost along the way due to corruption
Sounds like lockmart developing big costly programs like Zumwalt and F-22 only for them to get cancelled after a fraction of the initial big order. Dem funds won't assimilate themselves, amirite.

>"studies"
LGBT propagandist, please. No one trusts a single word you faggots say.

>muh LGBT propaganda
The fact alone that this is your only argument shows how much of a faggot you are.

When you're the biggest, baddest motherfucker in town, you don't have to use your fancy equipmeny straight away. Instead you can allow your training schedules, logistical supply lines, officer nonsense and beaurocratical bullshit to take its sweet ass time.

You have to realize, the F-35's that are in the ME aren't coming back anytime soon. So they like filling up mainland reserves, carrier requirements etc. first because of the possible media shitfit

Daily reminder that more F-35s roll off the production lines in A SINGLE MONTH than Su-57s currently exist on this planet.

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>F-35 uses link 16 for legacy compatibility, and all link 16 is not created equal.

i hope you are joking now

>not understanding there are more or less no enemy fighters willing to engage the USAF
>Not understanding what the F-22 is for