Sukhoi Quality

>i wonder what caused that
take your pick, pilot error, too much speed, some sort of control fault

This. Shit happens.

Still better and safer than BOEING quality... 338 died from one model in a month.

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Apparently if a plane touches down while flying too fast, the ground effect which occurs, well, whenever an aircraft's flying low to the ground, combined with the high velocity, provides too much lift, so the plane's launched back up. As its altitude increases a bit, ground effect dissipates, so the plane loses lift and comes back down - usually harder.
Looks like the flames quickly spread through the plane's aft section, so that's where some people got immolated, sadly. Don't think there's much they could've done, all strapped in, possibly dazed. Poor SSJ has too many incidents on its record already.

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They almost made it.

This is very true.

makes sense i guess. that video shows the plane turning and being almost completely surrounded by flames, good thing that at least some people made it out

>pilots went full tactical landing
>the plane bounces off 3-4 times
>ITS THE PLANE'S FAULT

this place is just fucking stupid

*Ting Tong* "please fasten your belt"

with how cheap flash storage is getting there should be a "NYEEEET abandon abandon bail bail" message

Not to be an asshole or anything, but shouldn't this be on /n/, instead of here?

/n/ is a dead board though

It landed and 90 % of the people survived.

Should still have bought Chinese though.

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>13
41 actually

As the saying goes,
"If it's Boeing I ain't going!"

Is there really any point in using anything Russian made anymore? With this tragedy at the heels of Boeing's failure, we can see that Russia and the West are on the decline and the continued use of their faulty hardware will have catastrophic results. Buying Chinese will be the best course of action going forward, I think.

They should've bought chinese so 100% of the people aboard could get killed and no one could sue their ass

>Is there really any point in using anything Russian made anymore?
Anymore? Western world already is not buying Russian stuff.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure Aeroflot, the Nork airline, and probably at least one Chinese fleet are the only major airline brands that fly Russian aircraft.

so, is that a copy of an Airbus or Boeing design?

Looks like an A320 with a 787-shaped nose. To be fair to the Chinese, there's only so many ways you can design a passenger aircraft.

>41 actually
S

How many were on board, total?

That's what happens when you are a monkey who push's buttons and never learned to fly plane without mostly auto pilot. When the computer breaks you going die.

very little you can do against the computer deciding to ram you into the ground when the procedure to shutting that specific function off is needlessly complicated and you were never briefed on the function that might lead to this fault

True but you can't deny modern commercial airlines are so automated there is a loss of pilot skill if that's all they ever done.

I hope none of the Russians I follow on instagram were on that plane.

sure, on the other hand pilot error is and always has been one of the most prominent causes for incidents, which is why autopilots are everywhere. They're not just there to lessen the workload on the pilot, they're also there to prevent the monkey behind the stick from having to do things that can easily be automated and are done better by a computer than by a human. Just think about that air france crash over the atlantic that happened because a pilot decided to believe the shitty speed values a plugged pitot tube gave him and stalled the plane for 10 minutes straight.

Samefag here. I am also reading US pilots were reporting problems with the Boeing 737 Max MCAS system but they simply turned it off instead of crashing.

Part of the blame on that one lies on the autopilot. It was still reacting off of the faulty velocity data and switched the sensitivity of the controls without the pilot noticing.

I know about that Air France death spiral from 30,000 feet. Off the top of my head the pilot that did that was specifically mentioned to have little experience outside of flight sims.

it was a junior officer and some other officer besides him with relatively little experience. The captain comes back into the cockpit a few seconds before the crash, realizes what's going on, tries to salvage the situation by pulling down and gaining speed and then you can hear them screaming before they crash into the ocean. Had he been in the cockpit a few seconds earlier they'd have survived. That whole CVR recording is pretty gruesome

may not just be related to skill but also cultural differences. I haven't heard about it in this context but there was this whole talk about power differences and crew management after the passengers of SVA163 burned up on the runway because the flight attendands didn't dare to go against the orders of their superiors. I could imagine arabs and asians sticking harder to the book than americans and europeans. I mean some of those lion air crews did turn the MCAS of only to turn it back on after they normalized the situation.

There's been a couple of Korean airline crashes that were blamed on this dynamic. First officers were unlikely to question the decisions of their captains due to a perceived need to maintain hierarchies.

but that's due to power distances between members of the crew. While that may be a factor here it was more about taking the handbook literally or taking the freedom to say "no this system just tried to kill me it will remain off"

That's also some of it. Independent thought seems to be lacking in a lot of poorer countries. I suspect most of that perception is due to stereotypes, but there's definitely a reason those stereotypes exist.

I don't think it has much to do with lack of independent though. They do think but decide to do what they were told by the relevant body of authority instead of what they think is right.

You going to cry about it commie?

>commie
there's more commies in the US than in Russia today. all of them left for Israel and US.

Stalin has an 80% approval rating in the Russian Federation, and the Russian Communist party is the 2nd most popular party in Russia, with their candidates finishing 2nd in every presidential election the country has ever had. This would suggest that there still are, in fact, communists in what remains of the most heavily communist country in history, shocking as that may be.

>this is what vatshits actually believe

lol

Much better survival ratio than any spetsnaz encounter.

Stalin? Dude, you need to learn some modern history. We're talking about TODAY. Just look at what's happening to the US. It has its roots in Russian revolution. History is repeating itself.
It's true. Democrats claim that socialism is the future of their party. And Dems are growing because of immigration.

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So you seriously believe that a country where the communists come in 2nd in every presidential election has more of a communist presence than a country that has never had a communist party win a serious amount of votes in its presidential election?

In Russia, only old people still cling to communism. Those are already dying off. Their young despise communists.
In the US, it's a completely different situation... the old hate commies while the young have been brainwashed by the schools to believe in ""socialism"". This is why Bernie and AOC are so popular with they young.

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>In Russia, only old people still cling to communism
Except that's wrong. The CPRF generally polls highest in population centers full of young people like Moscow. You're right in that there's ALSO support for communism among the old in Russia as opposed to the US where there's pretty much zero communist boomers, but they have a healthy amount of popularity with the youth. Stop being a retard.

That's not wrong at all. I don't know where you're getting your ideas from but they're totally wrong. Just look at the vote distributions in russia.
Now the US... the US will go socialist/communist in less than 10 years given the massive demographics shift.
When a waitress, in New York City no less, who's never held any public office, wins on a communist agenda, you know the time for communism is close.

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>needlessly complicated
>literally flip a switch guard and the switches underneath

It’s also a memory item, something you are supposed to be able to recall without the QRH. Not being able to follow that procedure makes you braindead

AAAHHHHH

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Bane?

>That smoke filling the cabin
Jesus Christ, that's horrifying. Gotta be one of the worst ways to die.

Jesus

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>In the video you can hear everyone screaming.
>Suddenly you can hear the ding ding of the fasten seat belt sign.

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>trusting Russians
>literally having separate pages on Wikipedia because you have so many accidents.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents#1930s–40s
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_1950s
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_1960s
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_1970s
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_1980s
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_1990s

Funnily enough, I had a friend who flew Aeroflot from Ukraine to Italy or something a few months ago. When he got back, I casually mentioned that they have a pretty spotty safety record. Needless to say, after reading the wikipedia article(s), he got pretty freaked out.

Yikes

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>While between Khvoinaya and Leningrad the crew became disoriented. The crew then decided to return to Khvoinaya, but diverted to Yakhnovo due to poor weather at Khvoinaya. The crew abandoned the first landing attempt, then both engines quit because the flight engineer forgot to switch the fuel tanks. Altitude was lost and the aircraft crashed in a swamp.
>Overran the runway on landing and ran down a slope after the crew was interfered by another person in the cockpit who forced the crew to land in the opposite direction.
>Crashed after a passenger took the controls and disengaged the autopilot. The aircraft was operating a domestic scheduled Chardzhou-Tashkent passenger service.
>Crashed following double engine failure. The right engine failed 15 minutes after takeoff from Minsk. The crew returned to Minsk, but after performing two go-arounds, the left engine also failed. The aircraft struck a pole, hit a roof of a house and crashed in a garden.
Jesus christ.
>The aircraft was operating a Chardzhou–Urgench passenger service. Before the flight, the pilot was observed drinking several glasses of vodka. He ordered the co-pilot to perform the takeoff while staying in the cabin himself. During the flight, the pilot harassed a female passenger and asked the passengers for more vodka. Now drunk, the pilot entered the cockpit, commented on the co-pilot, and later took control. The pilot then put the aircraft into a dive, but the co-pilot was able to pull out. The aircraft went into another dive at which the co-pilot and flight engineer took control, but the propellers had hit the ground. The aircraft climbed to 100 m (330 ft) but both engines lost power and a forced landing was carried out during which the aircraft broke up. All four crew and all passengers escaped uninjured.

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>>The aircraft was operating a Chardzhou–Urgench passenger service. Before the flight, the pilot was observed drinking several glasses of vodka. He ordered the co-pilot to perform the takeoff while staying in the cabin himself. During the flight, the pilot harassed a female passenger and asked the passengers for more vodka. Now drunk, the pilot entered the cockpit, commented on the co-pilot, and later took control. The pilot then put the aircraft into a dive, but the co-pilot was able to pull out. The aircraft went into another dive at which the co-pilot and flight engineer took control, but the propellers had hit the ground. The aircraft climbed to 100 m (330 ft) but both engines lost power and a forced landing was carried out during which the aircraft broke up. All four crew and all passengers escaped uninjured.
I'm surprised they didn't lynch that pilot after narrowly escaping death like that, crikey

wanna talk about the recent boeing accidents?

The aircraft was operating a domestic scheduled Kosisty–Khatanga–Dudinka–Turukhansk–Krasnoyarsk passenger service. Just after takeoff the left engine began to overheat. Thirty-eight minutes into the flight the left engine lost oil pressure and was shut down, but this also caused a loss of electric power, as the generator on the other engine was not working. The crew continued on the remaining engine, but a return to Kosisty was not possible due to poor weather. The crew flew towards Khatanga, but were unable to locate the airport and continued to Volochanka. Five hours into the flight the crew encountered icing conditions, but changed course and left for better weather conditions. The number one engine overheated and failed and the pilot then force-landed the aircraft in tundra on the Taymyr Peninsula. Three days after the accident, nine people (three crew and six passengers) left the crash site to seek help and were never seen again; the pilot's body was found in a bog 120 km (75 mi) southwest of the crash site in 1953. The remaining 25 survivors were rescued on 13 May 1947 by an Li-2. In 2016, the aircraft was salvaged and transported by water to Krasnoyarsk for restoration and will be eventually be on display at the future Museum of the Exploration of the Russian North in Krasnoyarsk.
>Three days after the accident, nine people (three crew and six passengers) left the crash site to seek help and were never seen again; the pilot's body was found in a bog 120 km (75 mi) southwest of the crash site in 1953.

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That's pretty clearly nothing on the same scale as what Aeroflot has dealt with over the years. The lack of pilot training and respect for maintenance really seems to be distinctly Russian.

>The aircraft was operating a domestic scheduled Kirensk-Bodaybo passenger service. The crew, who was drunk, deviated from the flight path in poor visibility and followed the Vitim River at a height of just 100 m (330 ft). The aircraft lost height in a snowstorm and crashed onto the ice of the river.
It might just be encouraged.

"Hard and fast" doesn't begin to describe that, fuck me dead how did they think they could land at that speed?
Was something forcing them to land in such a hurry?

>Crashed shortly after takeoff from Severny Airport, when the flight engineer reduced engine power without regarding airspeed readings, causing the aircraft to descend until it impacted terrain. The left wing separated on impact and the aircraft turned 180 degrees before coming to rest. A propeller blade broke off and penetrated the fuselage, killing one passenger.
>Emergency landing.
>Crash and spin out.
>Phew.
>Blade whips through the cabin and impales someone.

>The aircraft was operating a domestic scheduled Karachayevsk-Sukhumi-Tbilisi service. The crew, who was drunk, carried out the incorrect procedure climb and set course over mountains. The crew attempted to find a route to follow the coast line but this failed. The aircraft flew into the side of a mountain at 1,610 m (5,280 ft). The wreckage was located several months later, in August 1949.

78 total, 37 survivors, 41 killed, none unaccounted for.

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Jesus.

>Plane still moving in that vid
Fuck me dead, I'd already be out of my seat throwing open the emergency door by that point.
Get yourself a middle doorseat, kids. It could save your life (If the wing's not totally on fire, that is)
>Pic
Fuck it, I'd have still tried
>No mid-cabin emergency exit
Fuck me dead, front it is.

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The fact that everyone sitting behind them would have already either burned to death or was currently burning to death makes this shit all the worse

Too fucking good
Almost made it to 2020 without needing a 2010's article

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>landed gear-up due to pilot error
Never change, Russia.

>The aircraft struck a pole, hit a roof of a house and crashed in a garden.
This is some loony tunes level shit going on

>kills almost 400 people in 3 months due to an idiotic bug because they outsource the programming to poo's
>ITS AS NOTHING COMPARED TO OTHERS

the fact that you think a human life being lost on a boeing is somehow better than from aeroflot shows that you dont really understand nothing

its the usual
>let me take my luggage for a second sir its not like we are in any kind of danger

every god damn accident has some of those that just holds up the rest

sukhoi is in hot water because a bunch of their engineers apparently falsified their degrees.

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>you dont really understand nothing
Learn English.

Also, a number of the Aeroflot issues seem to be due to easily-preventable issues like drunk flightcrew, poor maintenance, or letting the captain's 12 year old son fly the god damn plane. The Boeing situation is obviously a fuck up, but nowhere near as criminally negligent as a number of these situations.

Yeah, reports are saying a number of passengers tried to open up the overhead bins to retrieve luggage. It's understandable to not think clearly in a crisis, but that's borderline criminal. I hope they're held accountable for the people they got killed.

Now it's kinda sad considering the long history of Russian air disasters. I would say it's time for the Russian national anthem to be played but half the red army choir was killed in a plane crash.

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That's the thing that annoys me to some degree. Russian aerospace engineering is pretty damn impressive for a country with its small economy and general lack of intellectual capital, but their poor maintenance and operational issues always seem to cause disasters. It's a shame, because they've made some pretty awesome vehicles over the years. They just get maintained and operated by chronic alcoholics and conscripts.

Yes

>90 % of the people survived
I don't know what exact percentage 37 out of 72 is but it's sure as hell not 90%.

Looks like the average MiG-29 afterburner start, not sure what everyone is on about.

Chinese are bad at marketing. Haven't heard a more unsexy name as Comac in a very long time.

>their poor maintenance and operational issues always seem to cause disasters
Yeah we russians hate order. That's why tsars invited a million germans to help get shit done. The fact that german guy cares about all regulations was a running joke in our culture because it felt silly.
There was a general-governor in 18th century that said "The major proof of Russia being under direct guidance and protection of the Mother of God is that witout it everything would fall apart in 3 days but it does not"
Stalin fixed the problem temporally but then we went back to the chill mode. Very little responsibility.
On the bright side life IS more enjoyable that way,

>Comparing an airline to an aircraft manufacturer
Try harder, Ivan.

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jesus christ

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Surprisingly enough it works decent as long as it is limited to local government, once you get national government interference it sort of breaks though.
If anything parts of Russia that are far away from Moscow and are not involved with the armed forces or nationally critical industry or infrastructure are just left to handle their own shit.
And it works most of the time.

F.

>you can hear them screaming
Damn that's horrible.

Looked to me like the nose bounced off the tarmac for some reason.