For me it's 10mm auto, the most versatile semi auto handgun caliber

You can get big or little 10mm's.

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10mm cycles 40

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10mm is the prodigal son of .45 acp

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Yeah............. yes

Tim Wells can do it with a third the velocity, chump

220g at 1300fps 15 rounds. 10mm is best mm.

miami vice/10

Yea, so's this Coonan

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*teleports behind you*

*doubles your capacity*

*doubles your tissue crush cavity per JHP*

Using rimmed cartridges in a semi auto pistol is a stupid idea. Enjoy your magazine rimlock and order of magnitude more general feeding issues.

10mm is already a slight improvement over .357 magnum and it's actually made for autoloading guns.

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>love my P220
>hate how the mags are only 8 rounds though
>looking into Glocks
>all I see are accounts of Glocks shitting themselves if you shoot anything other than FBI loads
Is it true?

>Everything is proprietary and hyper expensive
>Single stack
Lol

It was just a point. It's not like I'm about to run out and actually buy one, especially when there are many choices out there of better pistols.
>41639064
Other than lower capacity how do you like it? I've only held one once, unloaded. It's on my list of things to buy for myself this Christmas.

Glock 20 Gen4 500 rounds of 220g hard cast Buffalo Bore. Not one problem. 1500 rounds of various other 10mm and 40SW not one problem.
Your results may vary.

Absoloutely not. If your really worried get a lone wolf barrel and 24lb spring, you'll be able to shoot 900 ft lb thermonuclear swampfox loads

>not a g40 long boi edition

but why?

2k more for something that jams more and cant handle max loads

Can someone show me definitive proof that it's not essentially equal to modern .40? All the ballistic tests I look at show it's only a couple hundred FPS more, and makes pretty much the same wound channel. Why shouldn't I get a .40 and be able to run a smaller, cheaper gun?

I want my mind changed, I really want a 10mm witness but I just can't justify it when it's just a fatass .40

Why isn't the deagle brand deagle in 10mm?

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>it's only a couple hundred FPS more

It has nearly double the energy.

>it makes pretty much the same wound channel
10mm penetrates nearly twice as far as 40 does with hardcast loads. The best 10mm hollowpoints expand to about an inch, vs .8 inches for .40 sw.

10mm also has bonafide AP loads for premium 3a armor.

10mm guns can also shoot 40

>.40 guns are smaller
Hardly. they also have shit recoil impulses.

Comparing 10mm and .40 is almost exactly like comparing 38 special +p and .357 magnum.

Show me. That's too bold of a claim and I've never heard that before. How can it double .40s performance when it's literally .40 with 3mm extra case length?

10mm has shit recoil impulse, that's why it was dropped, or improved, whatever you want to call it.

Do they shoot .40 reliably? Seems like it'd be loose in the chamber or not feed reliably.

Paul says fuck 10mm

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.40 sw severely neutered itself by taking away precious case capacity in an already high pressure round. .40 sw also has a lower SAAMI spec and weaker brass generally.

From a 4 inch gun 10mm chucks 135 grains at 1700 fps, 40 sw chucks this weight at 1400 fps.

866 ft lbs vs 588 ft lbs, not double, but about 50 percent more.

Where .40 sw really shits the bed is with heavy loads because of its tiny case capacity.

.40 sw chucks a 200 grain jhp at 950 fps, 10mm chucks this same weight at 1325 fps.

401 ft lbs vs 780 ft lbs

If you could even manage to cram a 220 or 230 grain bullet into a 40 case youd see it giving much less then half of the energy of 10mm.

10mm recoil impulse is actually better then .40, the guns heavier recoil springs and generally heavier weight make it a slower push like .45 acp.

I've mag dumped .40 from 10mm glocks. Hundreds of people do. At worst you replace the extractor, a very cheap and easy part, every 500-3000 rounds.

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He said nothing of the sort you fucking buffoon.

Imagine bragging about how cool your 10mm is when 50AE exists. If you're going to go big you may as well go the whole way.

I agree with the choice, but I wouldn't describe it as the most versatile. I think 9mm is better for things like small to medium game hunting because of less destroyed tissue and ammunition cost. however, 10mm is superior for large game and self defense by a mile.

I have guns in both calibers and they both have their uses.

.45 and .40 are just obsolete at this point.

.22 I use often though for plinking, target shooting and small game. also a useful cartridge, though not technically a handgun caliber, I use it in a handgun

anyway yeah 10mm is fucking awesome. bump.

Because they only make guns in real men's calibers

meh. unless you exclusively need a revolver for something, I'd say .357 is obsolete. the grips in the coonans are prohibitively long, too. besides, interms of capacity, penetration, expansion, and in some cases muzzle velocity,10mm>.357

Bump up to a 5" barrel and a hot .40 load can get 1500-1600fps. You still don't even need that much to kill a bear. At 1700fps you need to ask yourself, wtf are you even trying to kill at this point, an orca? I guess a 10mm would make a good diving gun.

.40 is not obsolete, it's the new 10mm. 9 is also the new 40.

Ideal SHTF gun would be a g23 and a 9mm barrel in your pack.

It bottoms and tops

I own a .500 sw in addition to my 10mm and 9mm pistols.

My 500 bullets weigh twice what your 50 ae bullets weigh. My guns KE is double yours aswell. 10mm is still my favorite caliber because you can carry it in a duty sized gun while retaining magnum power.

Deagles are boomer jew guns for faggots, and .50 ae is an absoloutely useless clown caliber.

But for small game you got 10mm varmint grenades

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Cope.

10mm will gain more power with a longer barrel then 40. Every fps helps you explode dindus better, especially when you get into the 2000's.

You need heavy bullets for bears, which 40 doesnt do well with.

40 sw is a faggot meme round that nobody cares about anymore. 10mm is cool as shit and is making a massive comeback.

they don't make .50AE handguns with 15 round mags.

again, tissue damage. those would be great for pest elimination but terrible for hunting.

9mm kills bears my dude.

How can one shit on .40 and praise 10mm simultaneously? They are so similar. My dilemma is that the extra 2-300fps, extra cost, and wrist snapping that comes with it, doesn't seem worth it. You also need a .45 size frame for 10mm which is just boomer tier.

The fuck, Can't you read? Failed basic math?

that guy is an idiot comparing low recoil 10mm to 40sw

he isn't aware of hornady or buffalo bore 10mm

this is why I don't watch this idiot

If you want to live with only one handgun i think that your best bets are either a 10mm single stack (double stack 19mm are fucking bricks) or a .357 magnum K-frame. Both cover all your balistic needs and are sort of concealable.

In both cases you can also find a carbine that using the same caliber is almost a rifle... .357 magnum specially kind of doubles its performance in a 18.5" or 20" lever action compared to a 4" revolver. So you can hunt middle to big size game and plink happily.

.357 gives you the ability to shoot .38sp both in your handgun and carbine and a wider variety of ammo thay will reliably work in general; 10mm gives you magazine capacity and reloading speed.

Also, in general, youd be better of in court if you defend yourself with a gramp's cowboy rifle or wheelgun than with a black plastic square "assault" thing. But well, this doesnt matter if you are a fat fuck with velcro on your cap, cargo pants and The Punisher on your tshirt anyway.

*19mm=10mm, typo.

Based yepposter

If you don't live somewhere with shit like bears and moose, not really.

No, the problem is people loading their own loads which are essentially 10mm +p++. Anything commercial will work fine.

>Do they shoot .40 reliably? Seems like it'd be loose in the chamber or not feed reliably.
Not enough difference to matter for feeding.
Same exact dimensions except length, so as long as you have a controlled-feed design where the rim of the cartridge rides up under the extractor during feeding, and as long as the extractor is sturdy enough to hold it against the impact of the firing pin, it works just fine.
The only way it's "loose in the chamber" is if it slides ahead of the extractor. This generally doesn't happen, but if it did (for example, single-loading into the chamber) it would only be dangerous if the firing pin could reach the primer -- and Glocks for sure can't.

That holster fucking rips

Thats dope. Where did you get that

9mm kills bears in the same way
.22 short kills people. It's not a preffered bear round no matter how much you tout your 147 grain +p+ loads

He is, he mentions it. The whole point of that video is to know your ammo and choose it wisely, otherwise you're literally getting .40 and the reason for that is .40 is shootable. Full powered 10mm sucks to shoot so ammo makers took out some powder.

Someone else posted >muh bears
again. You don't need full power 10mm to kill a bear. A hot .40 will _basically_ be 10mm. A 9 +p+ certainly would do it too, but you're right it's not preferred. .40 is closer to that preferred area, hot .40 is a bit over it. But the only things that are in the golden range for killing bears, if you want to talk "preferred calibers," are rifle calibers above 7.62x39.

user who actually hunts burr here, literally everyone I know uses 12 gauge 1oz lead slugs. Stalk hunting bears is insanely hard, especially if you're not in the open so using a rifle over a slug gun is kind of pointless. Like three out of ten dudes don't even carry a pistol or bear spray.

I have grandpa's old 686 .357, it sits in a box, clean, polished and unshot 364 days of the year. You never know when you'll get an armed security job he told me before he died, so I keep it for sentimental as well as the old bastard might be right. Otherwise, to myself it's obsolete.

I think the next handgun I get is going to be a 10mm. Whats the best cheap shit to shoot to get gud with it? any recommendations so I can start figuring out how much ammo is going to cost

You won't get good with the cheap shit because it won't give you the full recoil you'll get with the good shit. It'll be shooting with the same velocity and recoil as .40, because most 10mm is actually just .40

If you spend the money for the high velocity stuff you're going to be dropping a shit ton of $$$ to get good with it. Otherwise you're going to be shooting .40 until you actually find yourself in a situation where you have to use your high velocity defensive load, and your wrists are going to break.

19mm

Let's fuck shit up

Based

Stick with .40 then faggot, we dont want dorks like you in 10mm gang.

Shut the fuck up you stupid motherfucker, Elmer Keith killed more bears then you or the last 10 generations of your weak bloodline have even seen, and he decided that .44 magnum (240 grains at 1200 fps) was about what you need.

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Handloads

Underwood target ammo, 50 CPR for 700-800 ft lb fmj loads.

I say .357 sig > 10mm for anti personell purposes.

Less recoil
Penetrates almost as good
More energy than .40 or .45
Smaller package, fit in a g26 sized frame.

Small hollowpoints

>Penetrates almost as good

Literally any proof?

147 grain sectional density = .167 SD

10mm 230 grain sectional density =.204

Thats a pretty serious difference. And then you consider that the 147 grain sig is going just about the same speed as a 220 grain 10mm...

Also 9mm has a small meplat and inherently doesnt penetrate in a straight line.

I really wish this were bait. I 100% agreed with your first line and Paul Harrell is great.

However, you cannot get anywhere fucking halfway close to the maximum potential of 10mm with a 9mm or .40 without loading them to absurd and gun-exploding levels of pressure, IF you can even fit that much powder in them. There's no fucking way you generate over 800 ftlbs of energy from either of those cartridges, period.

Furthermore, max power 10mm is only considered the absolute minimum for bear defense. That's not to say .40 or 9mm or whatever else *can't kill them*, but you're really taking risks if you're depending on a fist-sized kill-zone while being charged by a fucking grizzly. If you were actively trying to hunt them you'd want something much more powerful even than that, like not a fucking handgun in the first place, or a .500 S&W Magnum with Underwood 700gr Hardcast loads.

>Duck hunting with shotshell handgun loads
The thought has me cackling.

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>10mm in plastic brick
Enjoy your hand blowing up

Where's the 9x25 dillon lehigh bullet guy when you need him?