Home defense

Birdshot doesn’t do shit for home defense, get that Shield with the Ez rack slide, it’s literally made for women.

Needs a brace

never birdshot.

She'll be in an apartment, so I don't think there would be any bricks between units.

Alright I'll look into this, thanks. You can get an AR-15 in 9mm right? Or are there better options? Sorry I'm not huge into guns. I'm familiar enough with them and afety and all that, but I don't come to Jow Forums often.

If you want it to be shit, yeah, sure.

Ruger PC9 carbine

Anything in 12 gauge 3 1/2 inch

>You can get an AR-15 in 9mm right?
you can but considering is a woman with no personal interest in guns give her a revolver or basic bitch ar15 in 5.56.

>hey somebody come look at this

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Seconding. Give her something she'll actually like to shoot

Anything more complicated than pulling a trigger is going to be too much for her.

Most women struggle with pulling a slide back on a pistol. She is for sure going to short shuck that shotgun.

>20 gauge shotgun with bird shot
this is a great choice. the dumb roastie will actually think it can protect her and she'll get murder raped by a pack of niggers

Thriding. If you need something cheaper, get a hi-point carbine

>home defense
>birdshot

Pistol Caliber Carbine for sure, lots of good ones

get a light and red dot site for it and take her to the range, 9mm is a lot of fun to shoot out of a carbine and the more she practices the better she'll be under stress

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I would second this only if she holds it and can wield it, I handled one recently and it was surprisingly heavy.

moss-burg with a home defense barrel and at-least 00buck. I load bird, bird, buck, buck, slug, slug. first bird as a warning shot (I would use salt but I don't have the materials to reload), second as a painful but "not-so-lethal" shot, two bucks while I am still dazed or having trouble aiming and two slugs to put a big old hole in whatever they are running away in to tag it.

basically the bird is for 5-10ft, the buck for 10-35ft, and the slug for 35ft-100ft, and after 100ft the cops can have 'em.

>backup is a .22 WRM revolver an' a lever action .30-30.

same basic plan.

alternative is a 9mm semi-auto and two mags. loaded alternating FMJ and HP. the first ball is intended as a warning shot. the first hollow is intended as a crippling shot.

get her magnum condoms a few cartons of Kool Cigs and a case of jolly ranchers in assorted flavors, she be ight

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Alright bait 6.5/10

one of these desu

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A semi 22 with 30 round mags
You want something not intimidating to the female wielder and a lot of rounds to account for the bad nerves

Slides aren't that hard for women to learn to use. Just be patient and teach them. Most guys are just fucking lazy and give up trying to help when their girlfriend or wife struggles.

What's your budget?

Your first mistake was giving her a .22LR for self defense. Especially knowing that rim-fired cartridges are known to be unreliable.

Teach any woman how to deal with a malfunction on a .22 on their own and I'll give you a million dollars.

20 gauge Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88 with a full stock, buckshot or slugs.

Get her a .38 revolver. A pistol grip 20 gauge like the one pictured is suprisingly hard on the hand.

Buck shot won’t over penetration if you use bird shot you won’t stop the attackers

ar15.
easy ergonomics and manual of arms. Far easier to shoot than any pistol or shotgun.
Load hollowpoints. 5.56 hollowpoints are crazy unstable and become relatively less dangerous after just a few sheets of drywall.

if you get her any "long gun" best have a stock on it, and a sturdy one, so she can club with it.

you want a stock, because it will help you find your aim in the dark.

10ga>12ga>20ga>.410 each caliber drop is easier to fire, but packs less punch.

for 12ga and 20ga a moss-burg,

for .410 getting a Rossi judge or circuit judge makes some sense if you want something that will also fire .45acp and .45 colt, but the circuit judge will be rifled down the whole barrel, making 00buck have poor groups and an unnecessary "ring" rather than a "spray." this is bad because it causes the spread to widen leading to an issue with collateral damage and a "cone of safety" that is directly in-front of you were you are intending to aim.

tldr: a full-rifled shotgun makes shooting worse, just don't go for .410.

a .410 revolver takes away all the benefits of a stock and adds the issue of recoil back, meaning you would want to drop down to a .22wrm or .22lr for minimal recoil bot zero stopping power. the .30-.40 caliber range is balanced for controllable recoil and stopping power topping out with the daddy's girl .38 snub-nose revolver.

the .30 calibers will have recoil but it won't be so much you cannot take aim after firing, which is "acceptable recoil." think of firing a .500 nitro and trying to do the follow-up shot, if you can, then it is acceptable recoil, if you have to "fight the pain," then it isn't.

>pic is shot down a full rifled barrel.

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at under 8 yards or so it's still wadded and will work basically like a weak slug

some visual proof.

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more visual proof.

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so does this mean 5.56 actually is good for HD?

the 5.56 Nato FMJ is a maiming round, intended to cause as much pain as possible, while not actually killing anyone. this is because this is deemed humaine by international law, which the military uses as a guidline to prevent "ruffling feathers.

the fact is it is meant to slowly kill a person making "medical treatment viable," but survival-ability low.

>how many layers of irony are you on

Yes, no shit. 5.56 is great for killing. Shotguns are for birds.

20cm is fucking nothing

It's bigger than your mom's dick, m8

im thinking more in terms of overpenetration. i have an ar pistol im thinking of implementing as my main hd gun with winchester pdx1 ammo. i just dont want a stray to pass through 4 layers of drywall and continue through into the neighbor's kid's ass

Honestly this. She will shoot it twice in her lifetime probably. Once when you buy it for her and take to teach her. Revolvers are beautiful for their reliability but more for the SIMPLICITY. People are dumb under stress, myself included. Just buy a revolver since they’re simple and she will never think of it till she needs it.

Are you retarded. Look at the wound track of the 12 gauge

>he hasn't seen basedboomer experiments @ theboxotruth.com/

Sweetie, anything that will kill a man will overpenetrate drywall. 5.56 destabilizes faster than low velocity pistol rounds in it, but it will pen.

>with bird shot
Are you worried your sister's home will be broken into by birds? If so birdshot, if not use buckshot. Birdshot is trash for home defense.

Also with a .38 revolver you can start her out w/ wadcutters, then move up to a service load.

>20GA birdshot
why are you trying to get your sister raped/killed?

Go for a basic bitch AR15. It will recoil less than the 20GA anyway and be more lethal.

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no, the 5.56 fmj only "breaks-up" in soft body targets, against steel and dry wall it has an extreme over-penetration issue. this is because the round is light, but fast. a slow moving wider bullet is better for this reason, the reason the larger bullets have as much penetration is because they are moving with more force (mass x velocity) than their lighter counterpart. so shooting a sub loaded large caliber would be better. but a 9mm-.38spc range is good.

a .22lr would over-penetrate by your standard, as would a .22 short. a .22BB is a little more powerful than a full powered air rifle and that has enough force to penetrate skin and cause plausible death. going this weal however will cause a dilemma on being able to kill, or stop some one, vs collateral damage.

the best thing to do about collateral damage is judicious aim. aim for your target because compared to your life, nothing is as valuable. and the chances of hitting someone in that situation is minimal.

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>5.56 is for maiming
holy shit you are fucking dumb.

>the 5.56 Nato FMJ is a maiming round,
tell that to everyone that died by it

A Pistol caliber carbine.

>can't they bleed to death
>read the whole dammed comment boomer.

9mm standard pressure HPs dont penetrate walls too terribly. 00 buck will, and considering the shot starts to spread. Your chance of a pellet or two missing target is increased.
I love shotguns, and a shotgun is one of my HD guns. But I've been shooting them for years, and have competed with them. A shotgun is an expert's weapon for multiple reasons.

No you're just a goddamn moron.

It's not illegal to put a brace on a PGO shotgun.
Hell OPs pic has an 18"+ barrel. He could put a stock on it

they why did the military drop the .30 caliber? aka the 7.62 as the primary infantry round?

Because the standard soldier could carry more ammo because after decades of research volume of fire has been found to be pretty effective based on our doctrine.

I did, it only caused me to lose more braincells you fucking dumbass. 5.56 was designed to do several things:

>offer controllable full auto use out of a carbine/rifle for small unit tactics
>offer effective penetration against jungle vegetation versus a .30 Carbine or similar
>allow more load carriage of ammunition for the same amount of total weight

The thinking at the time was that a hit inside of "normal" combat ranges was more important than having a really big bullet that couldn't be fired fast enough to provide effective suppression, but that doesn't mean that 5.56 was this stupid poodle shooter round. 1:12 twist 55gr FMJ was designed and intended to violently yaw and explode in the original design. It did that VERY well and offered a truly devastating ballistic effect in tissue. I'll grant that 62gr M855 was and still is a god awful mistake, but that shouldn't taint the cartridge as a whole, especially as compared to modern offerings like 77gr OTM, which will FUCK your shit.

but why 5.56 and not just hand out 9mm carbines?

Range and speed.

Because 5.56 has vastly better wounding potential and barrier/armor penetration.

>1800meters
far enough
>speed
why?

Barriers and armor.

That is after going through an interior wall, light bullets will tumble and have lower penetration.

and what did I say? copy the whole text word for word.

There is no spread at those ranges

A revolver in 357 loaded with 38 wadcutters.

The pen is alright and the gun will be stupid easy to shoot.

Nothing you are saying could even be construed as a complete logical thought at this point. If you have some kind of argument you think we're missing, I strongly suggest you just put it all in one post and stop acting like a schizo faggot.

that wasn't even on the docket, that wasn't a noted problem until the Iraq war. they did some experimenting in Vietnam but that was because the jungle was causing the bullets to deflect. anti-material, anti-cover weren't used until the iraq war were cover became an issue, and the 5.56 is still shit for that, the 7.62 is optimal for concrete walls, this is why the M-240 became a popular squad weapon.

He said reliable desu. Unless their not as bad anymore?

"Nothing you are saying could even be construed as a complete logical thought at this point. If you have some kind of argument you think we're missing, I strongly suggest you just put it all in one post and stop acting like a schizo faggot." you should take you own words.

Probably the reason why we're no longer rocking 55gr and slow twists. Real hummdinger you've proposed trying to act smart there.

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>because that was a post-fix not a pre-fix.
real humdinger you've proposed trying to act smart there.

quit smoking "m' nigga." you will see things more clearly.

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Wow.

I raise you the Russian 9mm smg PPSH, the American Springfield with a Pedersen device and the tommy gun.

each of these meets those requirment, I stipulate that non- of those last points were on the docket as the primary goals

the military was mostly looking to build a rifle with full automatic capability.

the AR15/M16 stole the show after they made a forced revision to use the chosen intermediate rifle cartridge of the 5.56, which was a modification of the .222 british which was chosen because the British military wanted your point three.

the 5.56 boat tailed FMJ will deflect 9/10 because of its shape not its mass or speed. this is why troops in Vietnam took up the m-60 and combat shotgun. the M-60, because it is basically the predecessor of the M-240 and the more powerful .30 caliber round had slightly better effect against brush, more so in clearing the brush. and the combat shotgun because a shotgun slug is a bush round, meant to slam through brush, giving it a shorter range but the ability to hit a target through brush.

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they also made some special bush rounds.

shootingrangeindustries.com/vintage-military-experimental-ammo-276-pedersen-6-8-spc-458-socom-50-grendel-more/

i think she'd like this more then a gun.

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20 Gauge pump, loaded with those Dragon's breath rounds.

I don't think you want to set your apartment on fire.

Unironically a 9mm pistol, tell her to go to the range and fucking practice too.

>hard to miss

I can tell you haven’t spent much time shooting shotguns or ever attended a defensive shotgun course, you still have to fucking aim.

They cant steal your shit if it's on fire...

5.56 being designed to maim is the same kind of moronic fuddlore as being able to kill someone with a .50 BMG without hitting them, or you don’t have to aim with shotguns, or that all you have to do is rack a shotgun and the home invader will run away. For a weapons board Jow Forums sure is full of retarded nogunz.

revolvers have more moving parts than pistols

will this retarded fuddlore ever die?

>5.56 is a maiming round

Nigga are you rarted

Women and guns make a bad combo for a number of reasons...

If she can shoot DA with easy, get her a chunky revolver and load it with soft specials. An old S&W model 10 4" would be ok.

If she cant DA, get her a striker fired 9mm that fits her hand size so she can grab it firmly.

In any case, get her a holster and tell her to store the gun holstered, and carry it holstered even in her purse or similar.

Get a fucking AR15 you idiot

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study the truth, notice the pattern, it does exactly as advertised, bleeding out to death is quite effective form of direct action.

the problem with a maiming round is that it has little stopping power, and doesn't knock down the target, giving them some time to respond.