Clay Sports

I love it, but man am I bad at it. Any skill base I've built up in practical/action shooting feels completely useless for hitting clays. (Except shouldering the gun and pulling the trigger, I guess.)

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What gun is that user? It looks based.

Personally 5 stand is my favorite. Trap got kinda boring after about 6 months. Dont get me wrong I not saying it isn't fun. But the local course is pretty easy.

Browning 725

NE Florida here, mostly shoot sporting clays.

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Goddamn, you own a Perazzi?

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Why do wops make such nice shotguns?

Wop here,
basically because the shotgun is the one size fits all gun for our land.
Most of the game hunted here are birds, and the other two big animals are wild rabbits and hogs, so you may see that the shotgun can do almost all of our hunting.
Some places near the alps have game that is best taken with rifles, but the rest of our country is just doing fine with shotguns.
That said, it is obvious that there are makers that literally build their existence over the shotguns.
Think Benelli, or Franchi for example.
In the last two decades tho there is a big rise in popularity of the wild hog hunting, because their numbers are boomed up, and so it is more common now that hunters would have a self loading big bore rifle such as the Browning BAR hunting rifle.

There are also a lot of other reasons too. First there are hunting rules and ownership laws that are very forgiving to the shotguns; let's say that you can own an unlimited number of them and even ammo purchase is less troublesome.
Unironically is easier to fire a shotshell than a .22LR round here, and also we have the best industry for homemade shotshell loading, as I do. Pic related.

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Yeah, it's my gun. Found it in a run down pawn shop, they had no clue what the gun was/its value. Dumb luck.

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Good lord. What did you pay for it?

I found it helps to think of it as a motion sport, and to swing and move more than aim and fire

700 bucks, also came with set of briley chokes and Perazzi replacement trigger springs. Once in a lifetime deal.

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Fuck you. I have never felt jealousy so strongly before in my life.

That's fucking awesome dude.

That's incredible.

Yeah, wrapping my head around the follow-through and tracking the target instead of a hard front sight focus is challenging for me. In IPSC, you set your sights, break your shots and transition, so getting the lead, breaking the shot, holding the swing for follow-through while two clays are flying through the air is tough. I've read that you gotta think about it more like throwing a ball or shooting a slingshot than shooting a rifle. It's hard to tell what you're hitting when you're by yourself, too, because, at least for myself, I can't tell where I'm missing, unlike shooting paper.

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Going tomorrow with my Beretta. Im not great, but its a ton of fun. I should a bit heavier of a gun someday, though.

Just how frowned upon are pumps in clay sports? Some shotgun forums make it sound like you're a terrible person for even considering it.

What gun do you lads bust clays with? I use an older Remington 1100.

And Winchester AA heavy target loads or sporting clay loads. None of that light target load pussy stuff for me mates, I want my gun to cycle every time.

They're fine. You see pumps, semis, and doubles all over the clay fields. Just pick up your hulls.

If anyone bitches about it fuck 'em

Yes I dare to say that the shotgun, as a fowling piece, it is firmly central in the hunting culture of Italy. My recently passed away grandfather, and may his golden soul rest in peace, told me that after the war they used shotguns to bring some meat on the table. Somehow the ammo was rare to find and they recycled spent shells with finely cut pieces of iron wire as shot charge, and powder scavenged from wartime leftover ammo. Said that primers were really tough to find and were almost a treasure, but better than commercial ammo. He also said that accidents were not uncommon due the use of that powder that wasn't really a proper way to load a shotshell, but whatever worked.
Even today if I speak to youngsters grown outside big towns or cities, their very first trigger pulled is from a shotgun, not a .22LR. My Beretta 682 inherited by my father was also the very first firearm I shot, old pic related; then I've bought myself a Benelli M2 as a slug gun along the other firearms in my collection.

From this you can see how the big Italian manufacturers and small artisans alike are specialised in the smoothbore gun, in particular the O/U shotgun. Our hunting culture naturally developed into clay shooting sports, and the best guns and some of the best champions of the sport are from Italy.

It is also true that this reflect another thing: we don't have the laws, doctrine and particular social needs for the defensive shotgun and so our pump action defence shotguns are nothing to write home about.

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Which Beretta do you have?

A300, which I love but it is clearly built to be "hunting" shotgun. I don't think a new gun will actually improve my scores, but I am hoping a larger capacity and slightly less recoil will make both trap and just blasting away with slugs at my local range a bit more enjoyable.

Based Italian, paesano here, joined TSN and waiting for my porto di fucile per tiro sportivo license. I go to the range at least thrice a month, but have just shot .22 carbines and 9mm handguns so far. Where should I start?

I remember you fellow Floridabro do you flex on the boomers and say their Guns are shit? I would.

That's a big ventilated rib, user

>leaves the sticker on barrel

I ASKED MY MOTHER FOR A PERRAZI FOR CHRISTMAS AND SHE GOT ME A fucking SILVER PIDGEON LIKE BITCH WTF

Did you suck the guys dick just because afterwards?

>told my mom I’d buy her a shotgun for her birthday
>”I don’t want a shotgun!”

I knew all the words she was saying, but in that combination they made no sense.

How cruel

>rib

Big rib big dick

> Who loves clay sports?
I do.
And my only shotgun is cheapest pump action possible, the glorious IZh-81 (bought for $40 from some old man)

one big advice: plan your ammo budget. in the long run, ammo price overshadows even expensive guns if you really like to shoot often.
12 Gauge shotshells for clays are kinda inexpensive, but you have to add the price of the clays for every round you do, we're talking about 15-16€ per session IF you are a good shooter and don't waste ammo. One good thing we have in Italy is that every fucking hunter seems to have at least 3 to 5 shotguns, and the used market is full of good shotguns given away for really a fraction of their price. Grab a good hunting over under or semiauto and you already can shoot clays AND running boar with sporting slugs.
.22LR is a good way to shoot without ruining your money, but it's kind of a personal take: some don't like it because feels too weak, some love it for the good accuracy and economy. Personally if I would go the rimfire route all over again, I'd buy just no-nonsense guns like the Ruger MK4 or a CZ455 as pistol and rifle.
9mm is kind of expensive unless you reload, but then you gotta invest some money and a lot of time to have a sweet return. Here you can find glocks and a lot of Berettas even used if you are not planning to spend a lot of cash. If you want a nice gun tho, CZ Shadow or a good Tanfoglio would be better for sport shooting.

so tl;dr:
-if you want to do sport shooting, plan your guns around the money you have on ammo. 12Ga, 9mm and .22LR are your friend.
-that said, shooting clays is something that a real shooter should do from time to time: it is another whole matter hitting fast flying objects instead of paper and steel targets.
-always think more than twice when buying guns; Italy doesn't have such a huge market and you may find yourself with a gun collecting dust and impossible to sell without losing almost all the money spent in the first place.

The only guns I see frowned upon are retards shooting clays with short barrels like a Mav 88 Security or that one guy with a fucken Benelli M4

I love clay shooting so much. Been competing in trap, skeet, and sporting clays for the last 5 years. My Beretta 686 is sexy af

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Come out and shoot the two gun tactical matches. It's a pretty good time and a pretty good crowd out there, even in shitty weather.

>tfw never even handle an O/U shotgun. What's it like bros?

even though semiautos are objectively better, i love using a o/u. we have a 20g one i learned to shoot shotguns with, and if it wasnt 20g, i would still use it over muh pump

i only practice on ducks in season. im pretty sure im terrible but my dad is always shooting alongside me with 3.5" shells so i can never really tell

Are you trying to shoot it like a rifle? Most rifle shooters seem to have an adjustment period before they get it.

I use an SKB 585. Them shits are sleepers. I love mine.

You fucking pussy I have a SA that will cycle 7/8oz get your shit together. Fucking braggart shooting heavy shells to prove you're a retard with a shitty gun.

This nigga knows right here. I have a spreadsheet used to track my shooting expenses and I have spent > 2.5k since Feb on ammo and targets. In the long run thats where all your costs are.

What’s the matter? Can’t handle a real shell?

Also what on earth is wrong with the 1100?

> I'm a big boy and can shoot the big boom! Mommy even saw me do it!

Absolutely nothing. 11 hundos dominated the clay sports until the age of O/U came about.

Jesus Christ, we're talking about heavy target loads, not .577 Tyrannosaur. Heavy target loads aren't even as hard hitting as typical hunting loads.

How do you lads position your feet for trap?

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For me I started shooting Clay's first. Sporting Clay's is the best game imo.

I think Clays trains the motor skills for live shooting better than anything else; very few things you will need to shoot remain perfectly still. Its getting the sight picture with both eyes open that helped me the most. Try to see both barrels but you know which is the true one in one with your dominant eye. Once yo uh get that down prior to yelling pull, you can tell pull while keeping the gun low than having to sight in a split second while tracking.

Your bringing the gun to your eye and into your sight, not the other way around. Keep your natural posture and add the gun to your eye.

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Ok, if anybody has a range at home- check this out. Kind of a long post but worth it...
I've been shooting trap/skeet/5 stand for over 25 years now.
It's still fun, but I discovered a few things to make it better.
The targets most people shoot at are "pigeon" sized. There's also a "quail" that's about half the size.
The quail are lighter so they're faster unless the thrower is dialed-down.
These are great for "Hunter training" or if you just think you're a 25/25 Olympic grade shooter.

Now here's the fun part...
Pic related is Tannerite© for .22 rimfire.
You mix the components and pour it into a disc and snap it closed (I tape afterwards just to be sure).
It actually says on the instructions to just throw it in the air and shoot it with a shotgun, so this isn't some dangerous redneck shit.
I've done this multiple ways-
First we superglued them to the underside of clays (pigeon size)- they fit and don't stick out to cause interference from the thrower.
This works, but you have to have a solid hit because the pellets lose energy piercing the clay. They're also heavier so their trajectory is always lower than a normal clay. This makes it more difficult to have a random exploding target thrown into the lineup. I used two throwers mounted next to each other.
The other option is to dial down a thrower so it throws lighter and just use the plastic "capsule" that's included and not superglued to a donor clay. These are lighter than even "quail", so they are extremely fast.

Another thing that's fun is glow sticks for night shooting.
Cut one open, pour on clay and launch it. Once the chemicals in a glow sticks are exposed to the air, they quickly dim, so this is a team effort to fire the clay quickly.
This is tedious and I suggest orange/yellow glow sticks- red and blue don't show up well.

I'm currently working on some flood lights down on my range angled upwards to light up the Clay's as they fly by without lighting up the range.

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Absolutely. Last August I ran my first 100 at the AIM grand

There's also different "games".
>Chip.
Two shooters.
First shooter shoots.
Second shooter fires if first shot missed OR shoots at the largest fragment still in flight.
First shooter then gets another shot of any remaining fragments.
We actually get to shot no. 4 quite often.

We've tried this game with 4 people but it gets a little chaotic...

With pic related. Looked up the serial numbers a while back and she's a '98 model. I use the Dianna grade chokes. My go to is IM. BEEN shooting since the 6th grade amd I'm heading into junior year of college this fall

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Right here user, I love shooting trap and I’ve just been doing it for about 2 months now, started off with my mossberg 500 and a 28” barrel, just bought a sabatti O/U for 600 CAD

Nigga the point is there is no reason to shoot a heavier shell just because when you can easily break them with a lighter shell. You're just slinging more shot into the air for no fucking reason. I mean shoot whatever you have on hand, but why would anyone go out if their way to specifically shoot heavy loads? Do you suck that bad or are you just massively insecure about your manhood? No one gives a shit how much of a tough guy you are by the shells you shoot.

Thank you, I think I'll find a clay range and shoot a rented shotgun there to see how I like it.
Also, not related, but what do you suggest for HD? I was thinking about a PCC but with FMJ ammo only, as required by Italian law, I'm not sure it's the best option.
Also that's a fine point, I got my diploma di maneggio armi in mid April and already spent ~140€, which as a university student is considerable. But shooting is just too fun.

>being this insecure about heavy target loads

Calm down shell autist

Okay this was the thing sort of on my mind. Is an o/u alright for clays or should I just wait to get a semi? I was going to say fuck it and just pick up a cheap pump for hunting, but that would go quite a bit of a way toward a semi. O/U seems like it could do both alright and isn't really that much more pricey than a pump while I don't really give a shit how much ammo I have stuffed in it either way if I have one when I need it.

I love busting in traps

Nasty

I've never seen a semi in the Olympics.
The inertia from the cycling has enough mass to force the shooter's point of aim off enough that the same shooter with an O/U will have faster follow up shots.

That being said, I run pumps- which is substantially slower than any other option.
I still hit 25/25's every weekend.
So use what you like. If you're trying to make a living off of it or compete at an international level, then of course you want every miniscule advantage.
If you're just having fun, get an old stage coach gun.

If you plan on hunting, then use whatever gun you plan on hunting with.
Don't buy a $1,500 semi or O/U then go sit in the mud in a duckblind with a $150 Remington express just because you don't want to get your pretty safe queen dirty.

And yes, I run a 1971 Remington 870 wingmaster TB at the range but my hunting gun is a field grade wingmaster.

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Clay's are fun but I would rather shoot geese and dicks.

I hope that’s a typo!

Very nice 686, I've got my grandpa's 682 I inherited from him and it's such a fun gun to use for sporting clays. God bless beretta

Based and Beretta pilled

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>Who loves clay sports?

We love clay sports....

youtu.be/UcvjXAtzaMU

I love shooting skeet. I'm stationed at an air force base with a nice shotgun range that lends you Browning o/u and 2 free boxes of shells on Fridays. It's the best.

I did the sporting clay thing when I visited Alabama. They also shoot them on the ground and they roll. That one threw me, I though it was broke.

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Damn, that sounds nice

How are Remington 870s for trap shooting? A buddy of mine swears by his 870, but it's a pump and not a O/U. I might pick up a 870 TB/TC if they are good, since they're not too expensive.

An 870 should be fine for trap. Since there’s only 1 target at a time in trap you won’t be at a disadvantage for having a pump action.

i went out last time and missed damn near every shot been years

fuuggg

Local ranges won't allow my pump shotgun so fuck them. Not buying a dadicated gun for this game

What a bunch of shit ranges

Too high tech for me!

I love trap shooting.
But can't they die quickly?
Low growls spoils Full moon

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it's pretty comfy user

Love trapshooting, very nearly won high overall at my local club of about 70 members, had a couple bad weeks of doubles that kind of fucked up my average but my singles and handicap total was 1 target away from winning the clubs best score. Shot quite a few 25s over the years with a Browning Citori, never have had a 50 straight though, dropped my 2nd to last bird this year to screw that up, I don't see how people can hit 100 straight. I'm getting better at doubles, had a couple of 45s and a 46 this year. The best thing you can do if you get into it is just keeping your head staring down the barrel, nearly every miss I have is lifting my head and looking for the bird.

>tfw never shot a 25