He stabbed a prisoner under his care and he is being charged with killing two non combatents.
Its like anytime I hear about some military guy doing something fucked up its always a seal.
Can we get a list of all the things seals have done thats fucked up?
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Remember when they left that one air force guy and then lied about him being dead but then we got drone footage of the air force guy fighting off isis until they killed him?
Those seals got medals after leaving him for dead
I remember when the guy that saved Marcus Luttrell said that Marcus had all his ammo still on him but Marcus said that he ran out of ammo?
mental illness.
lolololllol.
>lookhowthemassacredmybog.jpg
What's the story? I'm out of the loop on that one
and half of the prosecutions witnesses are now refusing to testify
>The controversy revolves around Operation Anaconda, a March 2002 attempt to surround and destroy a large Al-Qaeda force. It took place in eastern Afghanistan and cost the lives of eight Americans, seven of them on Takur Ghar. Chapman was among the dead. Using Predator drone footage and other evidence, the Air Force has argued that a SEAL Team 6 unit mistakenly left him for dead while retreating under heavy fire. Afterward, the Air Force claims, Chapman fought on for an hour, badly wounded and alone, before Al-Qaeda militants killed him as he provided cover for an approaching helicopter.
The SEALs, however, reject the claim that Chapman was alive when they fled. “The SEALs did not want to be told—officially—that they left a comrade on that mountain alive,” says a former defense official, who, like most sources mentioned in this story, requested anonymity for security reasons or to describe sensitive high-level discussions about members of classified units.
>Never-released witness statements and video footage seen by a Newsweek reporter appear to support the Air Force's version of events. Defense Secretary James Mattis eventually agreed, sending the recommendation to award Chapman a Medal of Honor to the White House in the fall of 2017. Should President Donald Trump sign off on it, Chapman's Medal of Honor would be the first based primarily on technical intelligence rather than eyewitness accounts. (The Air Force and the Navy both declined to make any official comment for this story.)
What has shocked and angered some sources familiar with the battle is that Mattis has also recommended the same award for then–Senior Chief Petty Officer Britt Slabinski, the SEAL team leader who allegedly left Chapman behind. Some special operators blame Slabinski for not only Chapman's death but also the lost lives of six other special ops on the mountain. Others say it's absurd to recommend someone for the Medal of Honor for his bravery in a fight in which he left a teammate behind, albeit by mistake. Informed by a Newsweek reporter that Slabinski was in line for a Medal of Honor, an Army special operator who took part in the operation was aghast. “You kicked me in the nuts when you told me that,” he says. Mike, a former Air Force targeting analyst who monitored the Predator feed of the Takur Ghar fight in real time and re-watched it twice last year at the Air Force's request, was similarly taken aback. “I'm completely shocked that the Navy is putting a package up.”
Some observers are angry at the Navy for even recommending Slabinski for the award, which they claim was part of a campaign to sabotage the Air Force's effort on behalf of Chapman. Such a campaign would be unprecedented, according to military awards expert Doug Sterner. “I cannot think of a single instance in which one branch of service opposed a Medal of Honor for another one,” he says.
Chapman's supporters say the entire episode shows the extraordinary length that the SEALs will go to protect their reputation. A SEAL who took part in the Takur Ghar fight strongly disputed that assessment: “That's a bunch of BS.” The blame, he says, lies with the Air Force for allowing the controversy to become public without doing “due diligence,” which would have included interviewing him and his fellow SEALs. “The Air Force caused all the problem,” he adds, “by just trying to jam something down everybody's throat without even talking to us.”
As much as I dislike the SEAL mindset, he should have been retired. Too many deployments will fuck people up.
Also, the video of the incident was seen by members of congress, and showed him providing first aid to the prisoner, contradicting the accusations.
Remember when a Green Beret discovered SEAL's embezzling money meant to bribe informants and murdered him?
Do you have a link for that? I cant find anything
Wasn't it a Navy Seal and a Marine Raider who were embezzling/trafficking?
>believing doctored videos sent by the defense lawyer to Duncan Hunter
Its because their selection process is stupid. All you have to do is not quit, it doesnt matter how much of a fuck up you are as long as you dont quit and can carry a log over your head.
Ive read on sofrep that seal team 6 are complete fuckups that have had to rely on army rangers for infantry support because seals dont know infantry manuvers, just close quarters stuff and sniping. Mostly becasue they are a water spec ops division that has gotten too big for their role and so they will obviously fuck up stuff on land
>showed him providing first aid to the prisoner, contradicting the accusations
Idk what happened, and don't really care either way, it was some daesh asshole, but cops do the same thing to bleeding corpses after their adrenaline high wears off.
>Spend millions of dollars training, equipping, and deploying Mr. killy man to kill people
>He kills people
>All you have to do is not quit
i'm not a SEAL fanboy, but this is much easier said than done.
>have had to rely on army rangers for infantry support
what, you mean like delta, too?
>seals dont know infantry manuvers
give me an example of an "infantry manuver" that SEALs can't do
>they are a water spec ops division that has gotten too big for their role and so they will obviously fuck up stuff on land
this is one of the stupidest sentence fragments i've read all week
>give me an example of an "infantry manuver" that SEALs can't do
ruck into a valley instead of flying in and letting everyone know they are coming
Only psychos join the SEALs. If they weren't in the SEALs they would either be serial killers or in jail.
i don't understand why retards like you think you're entitled to an opinion on this shit
Because of lack of infantry culture in their branch, which also leads to leadership issues of having no real accountability or a good 'ol boys club. As opposed to a long pipeline like infantry->airborne->Sof->brigade. Hell, I think they still are taking them straight out of high school.
>it doesn't matter how much of a fuck up you are as long as you don't quit
That is not true at all, the instructors can absolutely drop you just like at other selection courses. A famous example would be Danlet Bilzerian getting dropped for safety violations on the firing range.
>airborne->Sof->brigade
what
>what is the no true scotsman logical fallacy
maybe if you were older than 15 you'd understand
you are staggeringly fucking stupid and 100% clueless about this shit. first, go look up what that fallacy actually means. then go back in time to the troop surge and enlist.
infantry, spec infantry, green beret, operator
green beret is a sof umbrella blocking unit excellent at regular infantry that work hand in hand, but not the high speed low drag tippity top specialists
>not realizing the "mile in his shoes" fallacy is logically the same as no true scotsman
did you even get the reference to red wings or are you too busy jerking off to a picture of chris kyle?
I have a lot of respect for Spec Ops in the Air Force, so I thought SEALs were on par with Pararescuemen and Combat Controllers. You can't be a tard and succeed in either one. Guess I was way off, no wonder the PJ cadre thought it was hilarious when SEALs would try PJ indoc and end up washing out.
That isn't true at all. Your first saying is, "You don't truly know what you haven't experienced," and the second is, "Change the definition and move the goalposts." The second is what "No True Scotsman," means. You're wholly incorrect in your statement.
nobody views airborne infantry as some kind of "spec" unit. they're just dudes who ride in helicopters instead of humvees or brads. this would make slightly more sense if you'd said rangers instead, but rangers rarely go SF, and are themselves probably the biggest single recruitment pool for SFOD-D.
your understanding of SF's primary mission statement is also wrong. yes, they're extremely well-trained infantry troops, but they are not a "blocking unit." their main mission is to act as a small team of mobile drill sergeants who raise and train indigenous troops from behind enemy lines, then lead them into battle.
Aren't PJ's like the best of the best? I always assumed they were up there with Delta, they even fucking rescued astronauts.
>best of the best
they're closer to the only of the only as far as what they're trained to do, but yeah, they're pretty fucking good at it
I'm probably misusing a few things, because I'm a bit in the drink. Airborne just means another pipeline to become a "better," infantry than regular line units. Then from there usually Rangers and Green Berets. Which then go are the large pool recruited from to go to the specialized units. The former are a part of the umbrella, but usually used more conventionally while the spec units do the dirty. Difference between USSOCOM umbrella and SOF units.
Either way, I just meant the pipeline was longer to weed out shitters.
because in order to win a war you have to get the soldiers young and you have to teach them to hate, if you dont like it you dont need to care
Even at airborne you're getting a cut above the shittier guys though. I can't imagine why you would not want to work on any qualifications if you're in the military, why do something if you don't want to be the best?
>Even at airborne you're getting a cut above the shittier guys though
from having been mechanized and airborne infantry i can tell you that this is complete bullshit though. if you wanted to feel like the best but stop at the most basic training, you could just go marines instead.
I always look at it this way, who got the better deployments, bumfuck shitter unit stationed in Pennsylvania or the 82nd/101st?
>Seen by congress
>op made a whole thread based on one incident he didn’t even read up on.
the absolute state
Change the definition of prerequisite qualifications and argue from position of authority. The first is a subset of the second. Get educated, nigger.
I'm pretty sure they have the most difficult indoc in the DOD. They're mostly used to retrieve sensitive objects, recover bodies, and rescue people from basically anywhere a person can get to. Most of them never discharge their firearms in combat.
>2001
>Isis
It really isn't. There's no authority to saying, "You don't know the experience unless you've experienced it." That's just a part of the human condition.
seals literally fucked up the panama invasion because of their inadequacy in infantry. Seals are not good on land, its why so many of them have fucked things up when they are being used as a glorified swat team
compare/contrast
>SEALs: “you’re good as long as you don’t flagrantly violate any of the very clear and basic disciplinary rules we have here and you can keep up physically”
>Army SF/Delta: (successfully make it to the end of selection). “user have a seat. Congratulations on finishing the course, but we’re sorry - you’re just not what we’re looking for. No we won’t elaborate further. Best of luck in your future endeavors”
It’s not that that user said “there are no standards” he seemed to be saying “there are different standards and those differences are a significant factor ik what types of people end up in each unit”
I don’t know how much (at at all) they’ve made adjustments to the SEAL
pipeline since but as of about 10
years ago, between the start of BUD/S and formal graduation/assignment to his first team the average SEAL only gets about 7 weeks of land warfare training
>this is one of the stupidest sentence fragments i've read all week
Panama you stupid nigger.
Eddie Gallagher literally did nothing wrong
>Can we get a list of all the things seals have done thats fucked up?
I know at least ten of them came on your mother's face
This.
Let them do whatever
Every terrorist org is ISIS to zoomers just like they were all Al Qaeda in 2004
i mean, except for all those wrong things he did...
SEALS on takur gar got hit coming during infiltration on the mountain. They retreated to the far side of the peak leaving their casualties behind. The combat controller assigned to the team, Chapman, reacted to the close ambush appropriately and assaulted the enemy positions that were directed against the LZ. He covered the retreat of said SEALS, then fought from a bunker until the ranger arc helicopter arrived. Chapman realized that the remaining enemy would shoot down this helicopter as well and inflict more casualties.. so he covered the rangers insertion. He was killed in the process while exchanging hand grenades with several al qaeda fighters.
React to contact and survive a near ambush for starters. Three incidents come to mind immediately:
>Assault on Takur Gar
>the failed 2013 raid in barawe , Somalia, where the seals were detected by a guard who was drunk/high and still managed to kill one of them
>operation red wings
And for bonus points.. everything the seals did in the 80’s they fucked up massively. Like that time in panama when a team attempted to assault an airfield by charging across open ground during just cause (operation: nifty package) resulting in half the platoon getting wiped out.. then the next day the seals were rescued and replaced by an actually competent organization, as usual.
If I remember correctly, it's very obvious that Gallagher was trying to extend the prisoner's life doing a surgical cric to interrogate him, and the people under him (who were mad at him for calling them pussies, as he was known to do), reported it as a war crime.
>kill civilians
>kill PoWs
>kill American service members to hide crimes
>tried to block a man they abandoned to die from receiving a Medal of Honor
all the special forces in all the world and every fucking time you hear about someone doing retarded shit its a SEAL, why is that?
Seals are basically the blacks of the SOF Community, change my mind
Easy.
There are some good blacks out there.
that's devgru for you
It should also be noted that SEALs are the only major spec ops group that doesn't require some sort of previous experience. You can sign up to be a SEAL right at the recruiter's office. Delta actually tried doing this for a while and halted the program pretty quickly (a certain Larry Vickers was one of the guys who went through that program). Otherwise, most other spec ops groups require at least a few years of experience under their belt before being allowed to apply.
They don’t just suck and fuck everything up on land, they suck at and fuck up maritime operations too. I’m old enough to remember when a third of the devgru team that jumped into the ocean in support or urgent fury.. and drowned never to be seen again.
Same operation where they FORGOT THEIR GODDAMN RADIO during the mission to rescue the Governor General and had to call for help using the house phone. They were rescued later by the marines.
Not to mention that time in panama when a whole platoon almost snackbar’s themselves with their own explosives while blowing up some boats. But at least they were on site for BDA and didn’t get half the unit wiped out but rushing machineguns across an airfield runway like the other platoon did that night, so that’s a positive I guess.
That’s not true. You can get an option 40 contract and go right to RIP after infantry and jump schools. There’s also the 18X program which is identical, but SFAS instead of RIP. You can enlist directly into all the special warfare jobs in the AF too.
Oh and technically there are no prerequisites to trying out for delta. All you need is an MOS and a pulse. Whether your packet is considered is another matter entirely.
>t. Former 1C471
They didn't lie about it, they thought he was fucking dead. It was a shitty situation, don't fucking second guess that shit.
Huh I was under the impression you had to go through a much longer pipeline for Army special forces, and I know absolutely nothing about AF spec ops. I'm more familiar with the Navy Marine Corps side of things, and I know to even get started with the Raiders you have to have been in for I think 5 years, any MOS. Navy EOD and SWCC also allow you to go right out of boot camp, but you rarely hear about those guys.
>Blaming SEALs for Redwings
That's fucked. The helo got hit with an RPG, that's not even close to the SEALs fault.
Why were they trying to insert a chinook so close to known enemy positions?
I'm sure everyone knows this already but if it has to be said, the washout rates for these programs is astronomical coming straight out of the civilian sector. I'm not trying to say that it's impossible since I personally know a guy who went option 40 successfully with no prior service, but the adjustment phase is incredibly rigorous. It's a far better idea to go infantry for a couple years then make the decision from there. Jow Forums likes to have this dumb chest beater mentality that the """"truly strong"""" should be able to just drop into an xray or option 40 program and succeed, but a lot of people could do with some adjustment time and find their strength.
Civilians have a very narrow vision of what training is like for SF. Sure, you could look at it as just passing selection and then you're SF, but depending on your specialty, just your base job schools could take you more than a year, and this isn't easy stuff. You can wash out of training at any point, and when you pass all your schools and get assigned to a group, guess what? You keep training. In a sense, the "pipeline" is a misnomer because training simply never stops.
Marines you have to have a Rank (that you'd usually get after about 4-5 years, so yeah), not so much time in, AFAIK, but I'm a neverserved. There are enlistment options for other jobs like Special operations/Dive medicine corpsman though.
And to be fair, the Army Pipeline for SF is basically:
>Basic
>AIT
>Airborne
>Selection Prep Course
>Selection
>Q Course (~18 months) + SOF SERE
>a year of probation Status
Whereas the SEAL Pipeline is more like
>Basic
>BUD/S (combined selection/Q Course)
>Rough Q course Equivalent
>1 Year Probation
So the Army SF Pipeline has a much shorter selection process, but to actually get to selection you have to be at least Airborne and Infantry qualified to a pretty professional level. That, and why SEAL selection is brutal SF pipeline is notorious for making you ruck marathons on your last few days in selection. I'm also fairly sure the Q Course is longer than BUD/S.
Like, how fucking hard is it to just call them Muslims?
>The Air Force caused all the problem,” he adds, “by just trying to jam something down everybody's throat without even talking to us.”
>it’s the Air Force’s fault for wanting to know what happened to their comrade.
There are simply no such requirements. You can also enlist with a recon option in the marines and do BRC right after SOI. One of my coworkers did it that way in fact. The only requirements I’m aware of for marsoc a&s is you have a passing pt test and at least 90 days before the end of your current service commitment/nothing in your contract that precludes you from making lat moves/retraining.
The seals claimed that they’d checked his vitals while assessing casualties before retreating. That turned out to be untrue. Similar to that time some devgru guy’s grenaded the female hostage they were supposed to be rescuing.. then lied about it, got caught, and were kicked out of the unit.
I don’t especially love or hate seals dude.. but don’t suck their dicks when they have clearly fucked up.
Dunno, ask whoever planned it/flew the bird, but clearly not the fault of the guys who died for that shit.
>guy fighting off bin ladens
>he's totally dead bro but not in a literal context until AFTER we abandon him
Imagine thinking killing ISIS is bad.
>Throwing your AK in an alley and walking away doesn't make you suddenly a non-combatant
Every context I'd read it in said that they saw him get whacked but were under such heavy fire they couldn't get to the guy, so if I'm wrong I'm wrong.
I think the Army way of it for officers is pretty perfect. You have to wait til you're eligible for Captain and then you're probably coming out of a combat position like infantry, meaning you've been training for that for almost 2 years now before you can actually get selection.
This, why don't people ever point this out?
Marcus didn't retrieve a single magazine from his vest the entire firefight
They planned and executed their portion of the operation poorly. It’s an entirely fair and reasonable statement to say they fucked it up, since that’s what the investigation into the op found. Doesn’t help the seal’s case that Luttrell lied his fucking ass off about the operation too, and if you go read the AAR youll get an idea how really fucked up the situation was. Quite a few people made some really poor decisions.. and most of them were seals.
Oh and the AAR said the helo was hit with an RPG for political reasons. Admitting that there were manpads being actively used in the region would’ve caused a lot of problems for operations.
The direct action portion of the mission relied on the recon team being undetected, and the assault element was retasked with S&R when everything went pear shaped. Putting the entire command element on the bird was fucking retarded, as was the chinook outpacing it’s escort.
True enough, but also beside the point. The fact is there are no specific time in service requirements like the other user described.
Seal training pipeline is roughly:
>basic
>indoc
>first phase buds (physical fitness)
>second phase (diving)
>third phase (land phase)
>static and MFF abbreviated course at the navy’s jump school
>SQT
>seasoning training at first assignment until getting CMR cert
The last part depends on length based on where their platoon is in its deployment cycle. Usually it means like a one year workup where they can do all sorts of cool guy schools, languages, sniping, demo, medical, driving, etc. after that there’s lots of other training based on the unit and it’s core task, but that’s getting out of pipeline discussions and into the weeds. All in all you can count on about two years of training before your first deployment.
Biggest difference is that in the army you belong to JFKSWC while doing your pipeline, where in the navy your unit will own you for about half of it.
Wasn't all this a lie orchestrated by his butthurt seal underlings.
That’s what the seals claimed back then... but they fucking lied. Slabinski abandoned his casualties and ran away while Chapman fought. The guys on the second bird even saw him in the fighting position where he was recovered, all shot up, out of ammo, and several dozen meters from where the seals claimed he had died.
The seals? No. The original claim as reflected in his AFC citation was that he hit the ground and immediately killed two enemy fighters, he continued fighting and directing CAS until the SEALs started withdrawing, and according to them they assumed he was dead because his peq2 laser wasn’t moving around. However there is footage proving that assessment wrong, showing him continuing to fight long after he was abandoned. Right before he was killed by a dshka trying to cover the qrf bird, he killed two guys. Shot one and killed the other in hand to hand.
most seals can't even make it through the state departments contractor training because they're such egotistical faggots nobody wants to fucking work with them
air force operators, ex swat guys, army sf, rangers, other jarheads, corpsmen, seabeas, coastie interdiction guys, we can all fucking get along but those useless turds walk into their operational job interview running their dick holsters about "the seal way"
Can confirm. Both on WPS and other programs, there’s a reason they always are put on teams together. It’s like segregating them away from the normal people.
Anybody remember that time when seals killed a dozen women and kids in a raid in Yemen and the thing everyone cared about was shitting on trump because one seal died? Remember that one of the kids was an American citizen?
I remember.
theguardian.com
Pepperidge farm remembers.
Jewels Jade's husband did actual porn with her while still being in the SEALs.
>had to call for help using the house phone.
that was the 82nd
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Read a book nigger
>During the invasion, the SEALs split into two groups and proceeded to their objectives. After setting up at the Governor’s mansion, the SEALs realized that their satellite communications equipment was still on their insertion helicopter. As Grenadian and Cuban troops began surrounding the men, the SEALs’ only radio ran out of battery power. They were forced to improvise, and used the mansion’s land line telephone to call their headquarters to direct AC-130 aircraft fire support on the approaching enemy. The SEALs maintained position in the mansion overnight and extracted the following morning, when they were relieved by a group of Force Recon Marines.
You retarded nigga?
MK Ultra Delta.
Ruined otherwise great genetics.
>SEALs taking credit for something someone else did
pottery
>read this totally factual 100% vetted account of what happened as told by the seals in their seal museum for seal ops because seals can't keep their dick holsters shut
