Inb4 phoneposting

The Russian navy has blown up the Turks many, many times.

I hope this happens, the internet fight between Weebs and Vatniks will be even more interesting than the actual real war.

Just a reminder that inaccurate Russian propaganda has been a thing long before the USSR.

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Do the islands actually have any value?

There's natural gas and oil deposits near the islands. But I think any claims to the islands are more about sovereignty and pride than about resources.

>you will never shitpost your way into a global war

>hard sign after every non-soft sign consonant word

If there's one thing to thank the Bolsheviks for, it's for making Russian less retarded

If Japan invades them and they’re unable to keep them back from the islands with conventional force, they have every justification in the world to use them.

The first Russian Navy screwed up the Swedes though.

>inb4ing your own post
Fuck off, weeaboo.

The Jap Navy has good anti air and subs, the point of contention is if Russia is able to poke a hole through using land based and air launched cruise missiles. If they could, then they could airdrop stuff like Kornet-D and Lotos into Japan, get an airfield and airlift stuff into it. The Jap Army is a joke. The Jap Air Force is a joke. The only thing that can defend Japs is the Navy.

Russians would fuck them up worse than Americans did. They wouldn't recover for 100 years.

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Inaccurate propaganda has been a thing since civilization began. Posters like those are ubiquitous across every nation. Why single out Russia in this instance?

T-I-G-E-R-S

Their air force is not a joke, although I do believe Russia would overpower them. 62 F-2, 155 F-15J, and 11 F-35 in service. Now, Russia has a lot more total, but so much of it is hard to adequately evaluate because we don't how much of it is upgraded or are flight ready. For example, Russia has like 400 Su-27s in various stages of upgrades. Who knows how capable they really are.

They also have 200+ MiG-31 and 70+ Su-35s. These jets should be on par with the F-2 and F-15J and are Russia's greatest fighter assets (aside from the Su-57, but that's not in service).

Just stop. Hating vatniks doesn't mean you should abandon all reason and objectivity.

Another question is how many airfields either side has in the area, and how many planes they are willing to shift to those airfields, and how many planes they can support

>Russia would send a fleet and win.

This is the funniest thing I've seen all week.

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That's probably what Argentina thought when the UK sent their fleet. Who's laughing now?

He was wasted give him a break

>reminder grayhound bus lines has not won a single war in history

I'll urge you to take a look at the state of the Pacific fleet,

That's probably what Argentina's generals said as well. Who's laughing now?

There is nothing of interest or value on those islands.

No one is ever going to war over them.

>dump the small handicapped kid out of his wheelchair
>"WHO'S LAUGHING NOW"

>That's probably what Argentina's generals said as well.

I really doubt they said that. That and the Argentinian navy had a massive disadvantage in terms of both the quality of personnel and equipment, along with having smaller forces. The Pacific fleet faces the same issues Argentina did. It uses mostly aging equipment in the hands of an conscript force that hemorrhages experienced personnel, and is far smaller than their opponent's which is equipped with newer, more advanced vessels operated by a much more experienced volunteer force that is also far larger.

he doesn't know about the Japanese secret weapon:

Weaponized kamikaze docks; the bane of the Russian fleet

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in a thread about news of all places...

Everyone, at you.

I'm just waiting for the part where the Queen Elizabeth and Astute sail out to sink the 4th Pacific Squadron for shooting fisherment again.

A quick search shows that the four islands in question are home to a division of troops, some Ka-52s, a Kilo, and Tor, Buk, and Bastion systems. How those forces are actually allocated I don't know, but the main issue is always going to be the fact that the islands are right next to Hokkaido and much further away from Pacific fleet garrisons. The Pacific Fleet itself has 8 surface combatants and 23 subs.

True, but I think the answer is fairly obvious for Japan; they won't have much trouble responding defensively. They won't have as many range considerations. Given the density of their infrastructure, they'll probably have no problem basing their forces where they are needed.

The Russians I'm not sure about. On the one hand, During the Soviet Union they must have built a significant amount of military infrastructure in the east to counter potential American threats. However, I don't know how those bases are distributed and I'm not sure how much the Russians could keep operational after the fall.

The Pacific Fleet's primary garrisons are at Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and Vilyuchinsk, with plans to move the main naval base to Fokino.

B8

What you are forgetting the US would likely tell the Russians they would commit their garrisoned forces to any invasion of the Japanese Home Islands, Forcing the Russians to fight defensively only. Not to mention the potential for weebs in PACOM just doing a little green men move in Japan.

based and redpilled

>The Pacific Fleet itself has 8 surface combatants and 23 subs.

Most of these have flown the Soviet naval ensign in the past and the JMSDF has 38 destroyers and 20 submarines. Not to mention the fact they have the advantage of being able to control all but one outlet to the Pacific at the outset of any conflict.

Japan can project x1000 more force around the islands but then it depends on how trigger happy the Russians are. I'm of the persuasion they would show restraint though because the consequences are obvious.

You mean the Russians would tell the US to not interfere because the Japs started it and the US would have no choice but to comply, as they have said numerous times they only defend allies that do not start their own wars.

The Russians are in no place to tell the US anything and public opinion in the West would be pro Japan over Russia, faggot

You'd think the Russian Navy would want everyone it could get standing by to provide assistance and pick up survivors. The Japanese might not have enough destroyers on hand to recover people once the Russian fleet sank.

>Russia would send a fleet and win.
Yeah... About that...

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Not with that attitude, you fucking pansy.

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I lol'd, and then had to spend a minute explaining the Russo-Japanese war to my wife.

Don't the JMSDF have arleigh burkes?

They have Kongo Class Destroyers with the same aegis fire control system

No, all of their current destroyers (their largest surface combatants besides two light carriers and one heli-carrier) are all domestically produced. Their Kongo-Atago-Koyo AEGIS destroyers are considered some of the best in the world. Note unlike russia, Japan actually has the ability to operate their carriers without a mobile drydock.

They also have 20 very good attack submarines.

A Navy on Navy engagement between Russia and Japan, at this point, is almost certainly a win for Japan. The factors of Air power, how long Russia has to move fleets to the theatre, etc. etc. are all of course factors.

But in a regional engagement, Japan kicks the shit out of Russia like Tsushima 2.0.

Yeah I’m sure the US is going to just let the Russians attack Japanese bases where thousands of Americans are stationed like Misawa and Yokota Air bases and just shut down all the THAAD and Patriot batteries there you moron.

God help the Russians if the US do a quick offer of Mothballed ships like they did to the UK during the Falklands becuase unlike the Brits, I’m sure the Japanese would pounce on taking control or one of the reserve carriers like the Kitty Hawk, JFK or the Oliver Hazard Perry frigates and negotiating buying the ships once hostilities ceased.

I honestly didn't think of that! But in my mind the only way it ends up and overall "Victory" for Japan is if they are able to strike before Russia has time to move anything from the West, and if they take all their objectives rapidly and assume a defensive attitude and make the idea of throwing away a significant portion of the Russian navy for a few sparsely inhabited islands the prime motivator... This quick action doesn't really leave time for U.S. Lend Lease, or for the Northern Fleet to arrive in the Region.

The big issue is on exactly how the Russian forces are distributed. If the crisis is a slow boil and they have time to mobilize a significant air/airborne force along with improved defenses on the islands, it's a non-starter. The JSDF would have to win the war at Sea, and win it in less than a week, and give the Russians as little warning as practicable.

All of this assumes the US decides to stay on the sidelines, which is theoretically possible provided Russia doesn't strike mainland Japan, and or the war doesn't turn into the Japanese getting their shit kicked in.

Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea would intervene.

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>Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea
No such thing

Russia would tell them not just no, but fuck no. NK getting involved in anything but occasionally dickwaving = instant US involvement. The thing no one wants is a regional dispute over a couple of islands to end up with the US involved. If the US gets involved, it helps Japan, which means a war against Russia, which means Russia loses, which means they start looking hard at the nukes, which means the US starts looking hard at the nukes, and everyone dies.

If the US gets involved, it's basically WWIII by default. Not even the Russians really want to play that stupid game.

Russia is a superpower compared to the japs. They would destroy them even if it was just one russian ship against the whole japanese armada.

The Japanese Imperial Arme- I mean Self Defense Force, have their doctrine which is they consider themselves already lost the war when the enemy had land their boots on their islands. Which is why their GDSF is utterly joke (but still on quality) compared to their monstrosity but still restrained MSDF and ASDF. Which means their priority is to sink all the enemies fleet and shot down all the planes before one of them ever "touch" their main islands. Which literally tells that Japan's military procurement is all thrown into their Navy and Air Forces.

If Tsushima 2.0 happens as just limited regional conflict, then it is Japan's guaranteed win. and Russia just become literally nothing in pride. The only things that prevents Japan from that is their doctrine and how many causalities on their side by this conflict (Russians will lost no matter what but how much loss they could do to Japan is a thing to consider). Also how these conflict will escalated into higher level caused by political reactions around the world. and some neighboring countries will get a lot of lesson from this.

i don't even have the ability to can

One thing no one seems to think about is how every domestically produced map of China contains quite a bit of Russian territory.

Russia doesn't want anything to do with an Asian war, or really any war outside of Proxy's. The risks are insane and the rewards purely propagandic.

Why would anyone give Japan the favored odds when Russia is bigger and has a larger navy?

Japanese Produced map listed the Kurils as theirs. Hell, even Karafuto exists. not Sakhalin. In which if Russia really wants to show their military presence on pacific theater, they should rearmed Sakhalin, which is actually triggers Japan.
>Russia doesn't want anything to do with an Asian war.
This is unironically true. With how all the East Asia prosper, Russia literally lost all their projection power there. Russia-China friendship is just a meme (when a bilateral agreement reached, it is always rigged to benefit only one side which the losing one didn't realize it) and they know it but just only able to do what they can.
>Focus on European Russia for themselves
>Far-East Russia, well, they do what they can with all they have but it is China's monopoly
>Central Asia, bribed by OBOR
Luckily for Russia, the Japanese is totally more concerned with PLAN as visible threat (no matter how all you called them as paper tiger, PLAN is still realistically more dangerous than Russian Navy Pacific Fleet). A limited conflict that involves one East Asia countries could easily combusted into Entire East Asia Region or even world. if Tsushima 2.0 Bogaloo happened, how many Japanese fleets lost will become an interesting key for China to act on such opportunity.

>russians
>water

Because Russia has very little force deployed in the Pacific, and it would take weeks at best for them to reach force parity with the JMSDF, they would need to deploy at least two of their fleets to the Pacific in order to meet force parity, and depending on the time of the year, that could be almost impossible. The fact of the matter is that Japan has a very well trained, very modern Navy, and is arguably the 2nd largest naval power in the Pacific, excluding the USA. Now before everyone jumps down my throat about how PLAN massively outnumbers the JMSDF, you are correct... But they have exactly 0 operational experience, the majority of their Navy is outdated, their doctrine is untested, their Navy to Air coordination is untested, etc. etc.

The fact of the matter is that Russia is 3rd rate naval power, they cannot sustain opstempo, they cannot supply far afield, they cannot field their most modern naval equipment in numbers, and what limited capability they have is stretched between three different oceans and nearly impossible to concentrate. They are (like japan) a regional power with limited ability to force project, but unlike Japan, they have to manage that force across an entire continent.

>overconfident Russian fleet tries to repel an invading Japanese force

What could possibly go wrong

>the ghost of Togo Heihochiro smiles.

But seriously everyone in this thread should read this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima#Departure_of_the_Baltic_Fleet

>Russia gets in a war in the Pacific
>Scrapes together anything that can float and sends it from the Baltic, around Africa, to Asia.
>Blows up some fishing boats 5k miles from Japan because they thought they were under attack by the Japanese..., almost get WarDec'd by Britian
>constantly runs out of coal
>everyone in charge is an idiot
>get to Japan
>get so BTFO'd that it changed the balance of power in Europe, and indirectly caused WWI and WWII

Japanese empire part 2 when?

yea don't get me wrong, I think Japan has the advantage of concentration of force, infrastructure to support that force in the area, and ability to move forces North if they need to. Japan doesn't have to cross Siberia or the arctic circle.
On the northern island of Hokkaido we have the following air bases:
Chitose Air Base RJCJ on the eastern side of the island, two squadrons of F-15J's currently
Kenebetsu Air Base on the western side of the island, pic related, doesn't look like much currently

There is also the Matsushima Air Base and the Misawa Air Base on Northern Honshu that presumably would play a part in a war against Russia too.

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Chitose itself, there are four runways located here and a large civilian airport

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Russia will just send in a foxbat and blow it up before the Japs can use any planes stationed there.